the situation in egypt

[pkay]

99.999999% of the world had no idea who Mubarak was until 2 weeks ago yet suddenly everyone is an expert.

Cool guy alert

am I lyin?

[firky]

Only 68 people knew who Mubarak was before this?

And the curious thing is none of them are Egyptian, they merely edit wikipedia!

[AllNightDayDream]

99.999999% of the world had no idea who Mubarak was until 2 weeks ago yet suddenly everyone is an expert.

Cool guy alert

am I lyin?

No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity? Yeah, we get it, you know people in the middle east. My sister went to school in cairo, does that make me an expert too? Obviously there is the possibility that an authoritarian theocracy could take hold, but as long as it's within the confines of democracy, it's completely fascist to oppose it, let alone complain about the whole thing before a stable leadership has been put in place. You have to give democracy a chance, because more than anything that's what the middle east needs. Also, there's no question that mubarak was a piece of shit bastard that killed his own people without mercy, regardless of whatever perceived economic progress he aimed for.

[pkay]

No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity?

In regards to what I responded to, yes. Just because you are curious you should not be allowed to modify a wikipedia page. Thus why wikipedia locked the page.... otherwise some dumbass who heard a 20 second snippet on fox news or msnbc would spend 10 minutes googling, and then write something on wikipedia as if it's factual.

As for your other comments, that's on you. I've stated my disdain for how westerners address politics in the past. The 24 hour news cycle has rendered most people lazy and ignorant to the happenings of the world. They only care when everyone else cares. They're only curious when it becomes a subject at the water coolers or their friends start posting about it on their facebook status's.

[Ayatollah]

Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.

http://www.npr.org/2011/02/11/133659238 ... -was-right

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03144.html


and it's only responsible that wikipedia locked the page about Mubarak, for the simple reason that it would be constantly vandalized otherwise, until this whole media frenzy is over.

[dubmatters]

No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity?

In regards to what I responded to, yes. Just because you are curious you should not be allowed to modify a wikipedia page. Thus why wikipedia locked the page.... otherwise some dumbass who heard a 20 second snippet on fox news or msnbc would spend 10 minutes googling, and then write something on wikipedia as if it's factual.

As for your other comments, that's on you. I've stated my disdain for how westerners address politics in the past. The 24 hour news cycle has rendered most people lazy and ignorant to the happenings of the world. They only care when everyone else cares. They're only curious when it becomes a subject at the water coolers or their friends start posting about it on their facebook status's.

+1

I can't wait to jump on the next breaking news bandwagon.

[pkay]

I can't wait to jump on the next breaking news bandwagon.

2 opposing factions in mexico are gearing up for a war this summer. When the numbers reach 100 dead a week I bet christian amanpouer or whatever her name is ends up in Juarez with a flak vest on

[Phigure]

Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.

that's completely wrong.

here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years

neither have been successful so far


egypt:
2 and a half weeks

success

[pkay]

Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.

that's completely wrong.

here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years

neither have been successful so far


egypt:
2 and a half weeks

success

The fact that you think being ruled by your countries army is a 'success' is a /facepalm

Egypt is about at the point where they pulled down the sadam statue if you want to draw comparisons. Long long way to go to have free, open, elections without corruption let alone ones that result in a government respected by the people.

[Phigure]

Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.

that's completely wrong.

here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years

neither have been successful so far


egypt:
2 and a half weeks

success

The fact that you think being ruled by your countries army is a 'success' is a /facepalm

Egypt is about at the point where they pulled down the sadam statue if you want to draw comparisons. Long long way to go to have free, open, elections without corruption let alone ones that result in a government respected by the people.

well obviously that's just for now... it's not like it's going to stay like that ffs



it's not at all like the toppling of the statue.

[AllNightDayDream]

No but does that somehow invalidate everyone's curiosity?

In regards to what I responded to, yes. Just because you are curious you should not be allowed to modify a wikipedia page. Thus why wikipedia locked the page.... otherwise some dumbass who heard a 20 second snippet on fox news or msnbc would spend 10 minutes googling, and then write something on wikipedia as if it's factual.

As for your other comments, that's on you. I've stated my disdain for how westerners address politics in the past. The 24 hour news cycle has rendered most people lazy and ignorant to the happenings of the world. They only care when everyone else cares. They're only curious when it becomes a subject at the water coolers or their friends start posting about it on their facebook status's.

And what? would you rather people just not care? Yeah god forbid something mildly important gets massive coverage one the news so otherwise oblivious people would start paying attention to what's going on in the world. I was right about you the first time, mr. cool guy. Yemen and Algeria are having similar anti-government protests too, is that news hipster enough for you?

[the acid never lies]

Looks like some of you are in need of a cogent Marxist analysis...

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2011/02/ ... e-its.html

[frank grimes jr.]

This thread USED to be cool, man.

[pkay]

And what? would you rather people just not care? Yeah god forbid something mildly important gets massive coverage one the news so otherwise oblivious people would start paying attention to what's going on in the world. I was right about you the first time, mr. cool guy. Yemen and Algeria are having similar anti-government protests too, is that news hipster enough for you?

I think I've made it fairly clear I'd prefer for westerners to care more often

[Ayatollah]

Interesting reading - some people say what is happening right in Egypt vindicates George W Bush for his stance on democracy in the Middle East. Sure everybody hated him by 2008 but the outfall of these protests in the region may determine how history will judge him.

that's completely wrong.

here's why:
Afghanistan: 9 years
Iraq: 7 years

neither have been successful so far


egypt:
2 and a half weeks

success

yeah, good job commenting without reading the articles. They're talking about how Bush broke with the traditional view that arab states "can't be democratised" because of their culture, and started pushing the "freedom agenda". This was meant for the whole region, not just Iraq.

Now we all know Iraq has a great deal of problems but it actually has a representative government so it baffles me how you can claim failure there and also claim "success" in Egypt at this point... the country is ruled by a military junta

[nousd]

afar,
am I being mislead
by reporters picking out erudite interviewees
who can sound rational, civil & tolerant?

cynically perhaps,
I await the advent of the yabbering masses,
stirred by the backstreet mullahs & opportunists,
elbowing their ways to the trough.

meanwhile;
Will the Army write an enlightened, implementable constitution?
Does the Brotherhood want a repressive theocracy a la Iran?
Can a hands-off bureaucracy organize a fair election?


btw: anybody else reckon Obama looks Pharoah like?

[Shum]

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[pkay]

Does the Brotherhood want a repressive theocracy a la Iran?

They want Islamic rule in Egypt. Take with that what you will. Not stereotyping, but generally countries under Islamic rule have not been kind to women.




On another note, this Lara Logan situation is disgusting. Really a black eye on the good will earned

http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/2011/ ... 87441.html

WASHINGTON - CBS television correspondent Lara Logan was beaten and sexually assaulted by a mob while covering the jubilation in Cairo’s Tahrir Square on the day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak stepped down, the U.S. broadcaster said Tuesday.

Logan, a 39-year-old South Africa native and war correspondent, has since flown back to the United States and is recovering in hospital. She was one of dozens of journalists attacked during the three weeks of protests throughout Egypt.

CBS News said in a statement Logan was covering the celebrations for CBS’s “60 Minutes” program on Feb. 11 when she and her team were surrounded by “a mob of more than 200 people whipped into a frenzy.”

“In the crush of the mob, she was separated from her crew. She was surrounded and suffered a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating before being saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers,” CBS said.

Logan made her name as a war correspondent for Britain’s GMTV during the start of the U.S.-led Afghanistan war in 2001 and subsequently reported on the war in Iraq. She joined CBS News in 2002.

The Committee to Protect Journalists, a media watchdog group, said at least 52 journalists were attacked and 76 were imprisoned during the unrest in Egypt that led Mubarak to step down after 30 years in power. All have been released, it said.

One journalist, Ahmad Mohamed Mahmoud of the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ta’awun, was killed while filming clashes near Tahrir Square, the CPJ said.

[noam]

^^^^^
thats horrible.

but has nothing to do with the politics.

but is really really horrible.

[AllNightDayDream]

Yeah that lara logan shit is disgusting

The Brotherhood will be able to finally form their own legit political party, but they've had candidates run as independents for a while. They already stated they aren't going to be running for the presidential seat, so I don't really see how they are such a threat all of a sudden