freqency splitting problems.

[Mannyyyyy]

hey guys. as you know ive used the techniques from the logic freq splitting thread and for some reason whenever i try to split my basses it sounds muddier then me not freq splitting. I followed how to set up everything and i eq like people say i should do and my basslines sound very unclear and very just muddy, unlike me just not freq splitting at all and fixing the eq. I really wanna use freq splitting since its a great advantage but i don't know what exactly im doing wrong

[Eridu]

Is the low end mono and undistorted?

[Mannyyyyy]

i usually make the loew end mono and i usually roll it off. im just freq splittin for my mids and hi's

[yuroq]

HI THERE... What do u use to / how do you spilt ur freqs ?? And where - any fx ? stereo - mono ?? do u have an example ?? Might be easier to help with some sound snippets !!

[Eridu]

how organized is your effects chain? Have you tried turning them all off then on one at a time and try to listen when the muddiness comes in?

[Mannyyyyy]

the muddiness comes in right when i stick an eq in on the mid. usually the mid gets muffles when i take away the low and some of the hi. it just completely kills the sound. this is way before i put any effects on

[Ongelegen]

I'm pretty sure it's phasing, cuz you are not using a linear phase eq for splitting

[Mannyyyyy]

i was told if you use linear phase you get a huge amount of latency, anyone confirm that?

[Ongelegen]

Yes linear phase eqs introduce greater latency. But it's only a problem when you're playing a sofware instrument live, not so much when using recorded audio.

[Mannyyyyy]

i might try it, i was shown to use the multipressor but i think i'm also eq'ing my sounds badly

[Depone]

Protip. Don't use an EQ. Use the Multi-band compressor and solo the bands on the three or four aux channels. It works on inversion, so its better than trying and failing using an EQ.
Or use another 3rd party MB compressor plugin, logics one has quite smooth, gentle curves. If your looking for something more extreme, go for something like waves C4.

(also make sure the compression isnt active in any of the channels

[Mannyyyyy]

Protip. Don't use an EQ. Use the Multi-band compressor and solo the bands on the three or four aux channels. It works on inversion, so its better than trying and failing using an EQ.
Or use another 3rd party MB compressor plugin, logics one has quite smooth, gentle curves. If your looking for something more extreme, go for something like waves C4.

(also make sure the compression isnt active in any of the channels

if i solo the multi band compressor, is their any need to eq in the beginning before added your effects? or do i still have to eq the sound like if i used a linearphase

[Ongelegen]

no need to eq, the compressor does the splitting. But if you feel like cutting some unwanted freqs of a ceratin band then just go ahead

[Mannyyyyy]

OHHHHHH maybe thats why the sound gets muddy, i never knew it was actauly splitting everything for you i thought it helped along the process.

alright thanks guys.

[Basic A]

Linear phase EQ vs. non-linear phase eq.

yours is non.

Fix it.

Ones probably hidden in a multiband compressor somewhere.

[Basic A]

no need to eq, the compressor does the splitting. But if you feel like cutting some unwanted freqs of a ceratin band then just go ahead

No sir. The linear phase eq inside the compressor does. If done properly the compression side shouldnt be active at all (0:0 ratio, 0db cutoff)...

just because the EQ is part of the compressor doesnt mean the compressor is doing anything. Think of a multiband compressor as 3 eq bands with a compressor after each one, its two tools in one.

Compressing your basslines is general kinda an iffy idea.

[Depone]

no need to eq, the compressor does the splitting. But if you feel like cutting some unwanted freqs of a ceratin band then just go ahead

No sir. The linear phase eq inside the compressor does. If done properly the compression side shouldnt be active at all (0:0 ratio, 0db cutoff)...

just because the EQ is part of the compressor doesnt mean the compressor is doing anything. Think of a multiband compressor as 3 eq bands with a compressor after each one, its two tools in one.

Compressing your basslines is general kinda an iffy idea.

The Multi-band compressor in logic isn't linear phase, so theres no latency. Its just split bands that work on total inversion for clean cuts. for example, if you place it on a track, dont add any comp. what comes out is what comes in, except its actually split the signal into 3 or more bands. ( i know you know this) im just making a point.

[Ongelegen]

no need to eq, the compressor does the splitting. But if you feel like cutting some unwanted freqs of a ceratin band then just go ahead

No sir. The linear phase eq inside the compressor does. If done properly the compression side shouldnt be active at all (0:0 ratio, 0db cutoff)...

just because the EQ is part of the compressor doesnt mean the compressor is doing anything. Think of a multiband compressor as 3 eq bands with a compressor after each one, its two tools in one.

Compressing your basslines is general kinda an iffy idea.

yes ofcourse, thats what i meant but it came out wrong

[moki]

You can make a clean split with filters too. I use live, in an effects rack make a low part and I hi part. put a simple low pass on the low part. then copy it onto the hight part. on the hi one stick the utility tool on it and invert both levt and right phase. you should get a transparent xover. add effects to what ever bands you want. you can reapeat and add as many bands as you wish.

sorry if thats confusing. probably best to use the multiband solo trick that I'm gonna start using now. Thanks Depone.

[Eridu]

what about Fl and its parametric eq`s? Fl has that PDC (delay compensation something) that sorts the delay times that various effects produce... Does this PDC apply on this phasing eq issue?