building darker dubstep?

[Liquifyah]

Well i'm back to bother some more people with stupid and ignorant questions
i've spend my last few days listening to skream, benga, mala etc trying to find out with how many synths/bass lines/ drums they work
and is it just me or do these boys make awesome chit with only 1,2 synths?
eg:

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Can anyone tell me how these tracks are build up? like drums / 1-2 synths /...
do they use pads? i don't hear any, then how do they get to sound it so awesome and full with very few sounds
anyone can hear how many and wich kind of synths they are using? would love to go into that style of dub and twist it to my way

thanks !

[-[2]DAY_-]

you don't hear the pads?

[Liquifyah]

you don't hear the pads?

ofc i do but they don't seem to bring any melodie to the track or am i wrong?
i've only produced liquiddnb so far, where i used pads to fill out the song but also for some melodie, here they rather sound like dark stabs or something??

still they only use 1 or 2 synths for the verse and melodie? is that possible?

[-[2]DAY_-]

sure it is. Delay and reverb + automation for the incidental bits gives a track a lot more fullness

[Sinisterbeats]

reverb, use of incidentals to keep things interesting. Lots of groove in the drums/bass. Make use of the whole stereo field, also you can place things up front or distant with the use of EQ and reverb.

[Sinisterbeats]

why does it keep double posting!!!

[Liquifyah]

reverb, use of incidentals to keep things interesting. Lots of groove in the drums/bass. Make use of the whole stereo field, also you can place things up front or distant with the use of EQ and reverb.

don't shoot me if i'm wrong but the incidentals are like the long streched fx sounds ? (don't know how to discribe it realy)
where do u find those?
btw thanks for all answers so far

[-[2]DAY_-]

Yes... especially in those examples, that'd be what the incidentals would b referring to. Synth them, use samples of whatever you want... one shots, loops.... just take them somewhere, use effects, mix em low. The reason they sound stretched out is big reverb and delay. (I think). they could also very well be timestretched samples.
Its like one of the most fun parts, you can put your own spin on it

[Basic A]

Minimalism cant be taught, its an instinct.

Listen to Mud.

[tripwire22]

Minimalism cant be taught, its an instinct.

Listen to Mud.

i was gonna buy a primus cd today and i thought of you

[Andrumeda]

you dont want too much, keep it minimal but strong and you will be good...

[Liquifyah]

well thanks for the advice, found it harder this far to create minimal dub then DnB were everything is so packed full of synths, effects and drums
probs show you what i got up with in a few days

[Ldizzy]

coming from a hip hop background

i think u should have a proper groove going with 2-3 sounds.. solid track with 5 sounds...

to me... things like pads are there to fill in the spectral void there might be once ur main sequences are complete.... + add mood.

so yes, id say its cool to keep the recipe pure..

[tripwire22]

Go listen to Cyrus then comeback

[Basic A]

Minimalism cant be taught, its an instinct.

Listen to Mud.

i was gonna buy a primus cd today and i thought of you

Haha, biggup, only band I listened to pre-edm that I still dig out really, that n claypools solo bits.

[Filthzilla]

reverb, use of incidentals to keep things interesting. Lots of groove in the drums/bass. Make use of the whole stereo field, also you can place things up front or distant with the use of EQ and reverb.

don't shoot me if i'm wrong but the incidentals are like the long streched fx sounds ? (don't know how to discribe it realy)

*Loads gun*

Arent incidentals like a sound [sample/loop] that occurs just once or a few times during a song? It's not necessarily a stretched sound or an fx. It could be a percussive hit... like a ghost note maybe.
That's what I'm lead to believe anyway.. can't find a wiki article on it though. :l

[hakka]

Delay and Reverb is all you need! 2 delays at diffrent speeds makes for very interesting stuff

[hasezwei]

Arent incidentals like a sound [sample/loop] that occurs just once or a few times during a song? It's not necessarily a stretched sound or an fx. It could be a percussive hit... like a ghost note maybe.
That's what I'm lead to believe anyway.. can't find a wiki article on it though. :l

indeed, it could be anything.
my recent favorite: field recordings (icicles falling off roofs and stuff like that) + pitched multitap delay. then take away the initial snap with a transient shaper and it sounds like glass shards floating against one another in space

[Kes-Es]

Minimalism cant be taught, its an instinct.

Sig'd.

Thread should have ended here, frankly.

Yeah they're building songs out of just a few synths, it's not something they learned how to do though, just something they had from the get go. I can teach you how to make teh datsik bass but you're not going to lay out a datsik track with it, same is true for anyone, if you've got a personality it should come out in your music naturally, it's not something you learn, especially not as it pertains to simplicity.

[hasezwei]

Minimalism cant be taught, its an instinct.

Sig'd.

Thread should have ended here, frankly.

Yeah they're building songs out of just a few synths, it's not something they learned how to do though, just something they had from the get go. I can teach you how to make teh datsik bass but you're not going to lay out a datsik track with it, same is true for anyone, if you've got a personality it should come out in your music naturally, it's not something you learn, especially not as it pertains to simplicity.

i really really hope you're being sarcastic.