Do you actually buy software?

[Eradicouture]

well see to me the first option means "yes" I "buy" software. I buy it when I can, or when I really need something and want it to work right, but I will almost always pirate it first, just to check it out beforehand, especially if it doesn't have an available demo (looking at you, NI)

[JemGrover]

a while back now, I was talking to both a studio owner and his mate who's a deep-house producer and label owner. Two of the soundest guys I've ever met.
It was implied a lot of guys pirate stuff in the early days BUT really have a duty to buy if/when they make any headground.

I suppose it just comes down to integrity on our part though, but that said, I couldn't care less what other people get up to as it can all seem so trivial sometimes.

[zerbaman]

100% legit here, have been for years. and years!

You value your tools far more then, and really get to know them, rather than just downloading another synth.

I did use crax a looooong time ago (starting with Cubase on atari ST Mike Hunt edition lol!) but no more. Even windows is legit, something i thought id never bother with.

Just because someone didn't pay for what they use doesn't mean they're downloading every last thing they hear about or come across man.

When did i say it did?

"You value your tools far more then, and really get to know them, rather than just downloading another synth."

Surely I'm not the only one who read the implication..

Fair enough if that isn't what you meant

[zerbaman]

i think 95% of people who have voted aren't being totally honest. just look at the result. I'm genuinely surprised.!

I was thinking the same thing tbh
Being the first to admit to being a cheap tnuc outrules me from that though. I'm not proud of it, just the situation I'm in atm

[fragments]

Honestly, if I were more adept at installing cracks correctly and/or if there were more quality, virus free cracks I'd probably play around with them more. But seriously...I REALLY love my current setup using all legit software. I have no bugs/problems and I really am learning to get the most out of the tools I have. I know some folks have zero problems with this cracked stuff--that has never been the case for me. And not that I care, generally, what other people do, but personally I value sitting down at my workstation that is bought and paid for knowing everything is going to work the way it should and if it doesn't there is customer support ;p

Curious how people feel about the argument that this stuff would be cheaper if people weren't "stealing" it. I have a tendency to simultaneously believe and disbelieve that this is true.

Also, I'm totally on board with paying underdog coders working independently for their efforts. Self-employed kru!

[flex vector]

i think 95% of people who have voted aren't being totally honest. just look at the result. I'm genuinely surprised.!

I can honestly say that I have never pirated any software ever. Having some idea of how much work goes into developing software, I could never in good conscience steal someone's hard work and use it for my own benefit. Not to mention that I like getting regular updates and support when necessary.

It actually surprises me when I see so many people openly admitting to using pirated software like it's no big deal. I just can't understand the sense of entitlement that some people have.

To each their own though. I'm not going to tell any one else what they should or shouldn't do because it's none of my business.

[austin_tacious]

Honestly, if I were more adept at installing cracks correctly and/or if there were more quality, virus free cracks I'd probably play around with them more. But seriously...I REALLY love my current setup using all legit software. I have no bugs/problems and I really am learning to get the most out of the tools I have. I know some folks have zero problems with this cracked stuff--that has never been the case for me. And not that I care, generally, what other people do, but personally I value sitting down at my workstation that is bought and paid for knowing everything is going to work the way it should and if it doesn't there is customer support ;p

Curious how people feel about the argument that this stuff would be cheaper if people weren't "stealing" it. I have a tendency to simultaneously believe and disbelieve that this is true.

Also, I'm totally on board with paying underdog coders working independently for their efforts. Self-employed kru!

Two good friends of mine developed some pretty compelling software reverb algorithms. Cracks vs sales is about 3:1 last time it came up in polite conversation. They both have 'day jobs' and put in a lot of hard work on the development. Lawyers, trademarks, etc aren't cheap! Most of the software 'giants' like Waves, NI, McDSP, etc are pretty small companies. As much as I hate to pay big bucks for Photoshop because it's just a hobby where audio is a trade I can't bring myself to do the crax. I just use the little Elements version...

[flex vector]

As much as I hate to pay big bucks for Photoshop because it's just a hobby where audio is a trade I can't bring myself to do the crax. I just use the little Elements version...

Heh, I made good use of my student discount when I purchased the Design Premium Suite (as well as a lot of music software). Definitely not looking forward to upgrading to CS5 at retail prices......

[austin_tacious]

As much as I hate to pay big bucks for Photoshop because it's just a hobby where audio is a trade I can't bring myself to do the crax. I just use the little Elements version...

Heh, I made good use of my student discount when I purchased the Design Premium Suite (as well as a lot of music software). Definitely not looking forward to upgrading to CS5 at retail prices......

Yah know? !Was even pricing taking some classes to get EDU pricing, but the class cost=discount. I'm all about knowledge, but I don't need the degree so I'm content with lynda.com etc.

[deadly_habit]

you tend to actually learn your tools and read the manuals when you pay for your stuff rather than have every plugin that ever gets mentioned in a masterclass or by producers and have no clue how to use them
plus i like not having issues
i just wish cubase would get rid of the damn dongle protection as it wastes system resources and a usb slot
ilok i can understand somewhat as it's usually the pricier plugins

i will pirate if it's a legacy product that's not avail anymore that i'm fond of, or there is no demo or an extremely limited demo that nixes out the features i wanna test

[kHoff]

It was implied a lot of guys pirate stuff in the early days BUT really have a duty to buy if/when they make any headground.

I suppose it just comes down to integrity on our part though, but that said, I couldn't care less what other people get up to as it can all seem so trivial sometimes.

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[dubmatters]

I downloaded a cracked version of fl studio producer edition from a torrent in about 10 minutes. It works without problems.

If such software is available so easily why would anyone pay out of their own pocket?

Especially since most young people have no problem with pirating anything?

[deadly_habit]

because that price tags funds further development be it new plugs, bug fixes, updates, ports, technical support and first access to betas/updates while pirates have to waitr for someone else to pirate it and for it to make it's way from the newsgroups to torrents/filesharing sites with no guarantee of stability or if keygens/cracks have been injected with malicious code along the way

if everyone pirated a commercial product and the devs stopped work on it the same people pirating i'm guessing would be the first ones bitching
a good example is all the people who obviously have cracked copies of massive and have issues with it

[fragments]

I downloaded a cracked version of fl studio producer edition from a torrent in about 10 minutes. It works without problems.

If such software is available so easily why would anyone pay out of their own pocket?

Especially since most young people have no problem with pirating anything?

Can I have everything you put hard work into for free? Thanks! I expect to be recognized for my hard work and effort and in turn do the same for others, that is why I would pay out of pocket for something I could easily have for free.

[antman]

I believe the people who create these programs/music DESERVE theyre money. HOWEVER.

I will admit to torrenting alot of my stuff while I was short on cash to try em out. Thats kind of how I got into this. I said to myself well ive never done this before why am I going to download a trial DAW thats half assed.... I ended up torrenting... and than purchasing because I loved it, I guess you can say I borrowed?

I feel that if companys didnt have this "LIMITED" trial thing there would be alot less people torrenting.

[Majin]

If I ever start making tunes I'd buy licensed versions, until then I'm not about to drop like at least $1k on software when I may not ever make anything good with it.

[deadly_habit]

If I ever start making tunes I'd buy licensed versions, until then I'm not about to drop like at least $1k on software when I may not ever make anything good with it.

so say people who enjoy sports etc as kids shouldn't have to pay for the equipment if they don't make the team?

[futures_untold]

I believe the people who create these programs/music DESERVE theyre money. HOWEVER.

I will admit to torrenting alot of my stuff while I was short on cash to try em out. Thats kind of how I got into this. I said to myself well ive never done this before why am I going to download a trial DAW thats half assed.... I ended up torrenting... and than purchasing because I loved it, I guess you can say I borrowed?

I feel that if companys didnt have this "LIMITED" trial thing there would be alot less people torrenting.

I note on KVRaudio.com that Steinberg have just released the fully unlimited 30 day trail version of Cubase 6.

Reaper has a truly unlimited trail, even past the 30 day trail period.

You were saying?

But I agree with what you are saying about using cracks until you love it so much that you want to reward the developer for their creation. It took two years for my stingy arse to cough up $60 for the licenced version of Reaper lol

[efence]

my desktop image picture....say no more

[fragments]

If I ever start making tunes I'd buy licensed versions, until then I'm not about to drop like at least $1k on software when I may not ever make anything good with it.

so say people who enjoy sports etc as kids shouldn't have to pay for the equipment if they don't make the team?

A really good analogy. And the argument that ill pay when I get paid is weak with the likes of reaper on the scene. There are plenty of quality free vsts to get one going. Besides many of the pay to play vsts like massive z3ta albino absynth etc are more complex than somebody learning the ropes needs.

It's like saying someone should give you a free formal one car until you find out if you can get paid for racing and then only pay for the use of the car if you do make money.

I do agrre with the idea that these companoes ought to provide fully functional demos though. I think it woild decrease pirating.