Police on strike...

[ashley]

The police can suck their own cocks and do there job properly instead of intimidating innocent people and acting like a law unto themselves

Nice ignorant comment here plagued with generalisation.

I like the Police, especially the HOT WOMEN ones. I'd wipe my teeth with their shit.

[Hibbie]

Aren't we talking about the possibilty of the UK police force striking? Hackman mentioned martial law pretty casually and a few people seemed pretty hype on the idea of riot or revolution.. Why?
I would rather live here than most other countries on Earth and whilst the police does have it's fair share of power hungry derkheads (like any authoritarian profession) on the whole they are a useful and reliable force for good. Ill informed middle class stupidity is the worst.
'let's organise a revolution so I can sit on a statue of Churchill and smoke a spliff.. yeh...'

Only one person in this whole thread supported the idea of a revolution. The rest of the talk was shooting the idea down.

[LACE]

they are a useful and reliable force for good. Ill informed middle class stupidity is the worst.

What's the middle-class go to do with anything? It's tempting to schematise people because then you can make deliberations about society much more easily (as the whole middle class, working class, and upper class only appear to have a single character each, as opposed to seeing society as being a dynamic and varied collective of people) but if you're at all interested in reality then thinking like that isn't advisable.

I don't know if you're aware of how badly the police actually handle rape in the UK. I didn't know either. I just assumed, as anyone would, that the police are actually effective at dealing with such a serious crime. Unfortunately the reality is much different to what everyone assumes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 93213.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... n-failings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11597027

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/1 ... ew-shelved

In many cases the police just aren't doing the job once someone reports a rape to them. They're not interviewing witnesses, they're not taking forensic samples, they're not visiting the crime scenes. They're dismissing a lot of reports because of who the woman is and the circumstances in which the rape took place - if she's been drinking, or she's young, or has a history of mental health problems, or is an immigrant.

Case and point for my views. Walk into the light all, until you actually need the police to help, only then will you see their disorganization and carelessness.

Had some officer stop me once because I had a backpack, he assumed I was ''running away'' . My best friend who was asian got schooled by him about the prominence of asian hookers in the area and how they were the ''specialty''.

And the profiling is ridiculous, if the police are going to choose sides, they're not looking out for the welfare of common people.

On the flip side, I don't really know how profiling and police mentality/brutality is in the UK.

[noam]

^^^
we have a majority white police and concentrated area's of poor people, some of which happen to be non-white so go figure.

people have to move past this colour issue anyway, poor people face much more stigma than in a way, than non-whites. 'racism' a lot of the time will come down to socio-economic factors which then include race on top of it, race is an easy 'challenge' for governments to face comparatively. poor people, crime in poor areas and wealthy people's disdain for these area's and their people are not.

[nowaysj]

Certainly do believe that the middle class exists. Fucking love the middle class/path

But it is pretty clear that it's curtains for the middle class. It's over. Only questions that remain are how much is too much, and when will that be, and will resistance even be possible at that point.

[test_recordings]

The police can suck their own cocks and do there job properly instead of intimidating innocent people and acting like a law unto themselves

Nice ignorant comment here plagued with generalisation.

I like the Police, especially the HOT WOMEN ones. I'd wipe my teeth with their shit.

I don't consider it ignorant since I have lots of first hand experience of their actions as do many of friends. They generally aren't solving real problems and go after easy fixes...

To be fair I know of ONE case where they had a rapid response but every other time they've just dicking on someone and they know it! They can't even admit they're wrong the stnuc

[mondays child]

they are a useful and reliable force for good. Ill informed middle class stupidity is the worst.

What's the middle-class go to do with anything? It's tempting to schematise people because then you can make deliberations about society much more easily (as the whole middle class, working class, and upper class only appear to have a single character each, as opposed to seeing society as being a dynamic and varied collective of people) but if you're at all interested in reality then thinking like that isn't advisable.

I don't know if you're aware of how badly the police actually handle rape in the UK. I didn't know either. I just assumed, as anyone would, that the police are actually effective at dealing with such a serious crime. Unfortunately the reality is much different to what everyone assumes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 93213.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... n-failings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11597027


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/1 ... ew-shelved

In many cases the police just aren't doing the job once someone reports a rape to them. They're not interviewing witnesses, they're not taking forensic samples, they're not visiting the crime scenes. They're dismissing a lot of reports because of who the woman is and the circumstances in which the rape took place - if she's been drinking, or she's young, or has a history of mental health problems, or is an immigrant.

Case and point for my views. Walk into the light all, until you actually need the police to help, only then will you see their disorganization and carelessness.

Had some officer stop me once because I had a backpack, he assumed I was ''running away'' . My best friend who was asian got schooled by him about the prominence of asian hookers in the area and how they were the ''specialty''.

And the profiling is ridiculous, if the police are going to choose sides, they're not looking out for the welfare of common people.

On the flip side, I don't really know how profiling and police mentality/brutality is in the UK.

Yes, these are shocking examples but you're taking these in isolation. The sheer number of sexual offenses the Police have to deal with year on year is staggering. These are investigation intensive enquiries and take hundreds/thousands of 'man hours' to complete. They also don't purely just involve the Police, they also have other agency input like social services, schools, hospitals, doctors, forensics and so on. These are not under Police control and for the most part, the Police have to apply through courts for information from these agency's. You can then begin to appreciate the sheer scale of effort involved. There are bound to be horrendous mistakes. We rely on human beings not machines. Also, final charging decisions of offenders don't lie with the old bill, it's down to the CPS. They're the ones that make all the final decisions about whether something goes to court or not. The Police can only make recommendations. As for sentencing and the like, that's obviously down to the QC.

The Police overall do a good job in this country, I'd rather live here where at least our security is fairly well looked after by a force that's trying to protect the freedom and liberty of ordinary working people, isn't by and large riven with corruption, and tries to stop thieving shitbags from robbing and stealing from those that work hard in life.

[cosmic_surgeon]

Did you read any of the articles? This isn't about the police "struggling" to do something - it's about them not even trying. Before convictions even get off the ground often police officers just dismiss cases out of hand based on ludicrous factors like alcohol consumption. It's utterly unacceptable.

[mondays child]

OK, calm down.
I did read some of them yes. And I'm not disagreeing with you, it is 'unacceptable' but I'm not getting drawn into an argument about some cases I've
got absolutely no experience or insight into apart from the articles you posted from the media.

For the most part Police deal with child sexual, mental and sexual abuse as well as vulnerable adults, and of course serious sexual offenses.

Didn't you read what I stated? there are hundreds of thousands of cases in this bracket every year over the UK, and you pick four examples when things go wrong?

The truth is you generally only hear the negative when things go wrong, not the positive results when he crimes are solved and paedophile's, rapists and sex offenders are
locked up.

[cosmic_surgeon]

OK, calm down.
I did read some of them yes. And I'm not disagreeing with you, it is 'unacceptable' but I'm not getting drawn into an argument about some cases I've
got absolutely no experience or insight into apart from the articles you posted from the media.

For the most part Police deal with child sexual, mental and sexual abuse as well as vulnerable adults, and of course serious sexual offenses.

Didn't you read what I stated? there are hundreds of thousands of cases in this bracket every year over the UK, and you pick four examples when things go wrong?

The truth is you generally only hear the negative when things go wrong, not the positive results when he crimes are solved and paedophile's, rapists and sex offenders are
locked up.

Your last claim is certainly true but it's not sufficient to establish that the these positive outcomes occur as often as they should. If you look at the actual conviction rates you'd find that there are more examples of things going wrong than there are things going right:

9/10 rapes go unreported.
6% of those reported rapes make it to court.
58% of the 6% which make it to court result in conviction.

which means that:

if 100/1000 are reported.
6 of those 100 go to court.
3/4 get convicted.

therefore:

3/4 rapes out of every 100 reported result in conviction.

As the courts manage to produce a conviction from 58% of the cases which make it to them, the shortfall lies in policing as it is their inadequacy which means that only 6 out of a hundred reported cases make it to court. To return to the original point, the police are ineffective at handling this type of crime.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... or-general

I apologise for coming across as a bit cutting in my previous post, but making unjustified assertions as to the effectiveness of the police in these matters contributes to the problem - and it's an emotionally charged issue. Hard not to freak out about.

[mondays child]

Yes, but you're also referring to detectives who deal with those cases, it's not the normal copper who has to do the following alongside their normal duties.
The modern police officer (not talking about DC's and the like) have to be a mixture of social worker, animal welfare, school liaison, park warden, traffic enforcement, detective,
town centre patrol, public order specialists, domestic violence intervention officers, and deal with all the day to day stuff like low level petty crime, like burglaries, criminal damage, assaults etc.

I reckon they have to put up with a lot and do a generally good job.

[test_recordings]

To be fair if society wasn't so fucked and unequal we wouldn't need so much of a police presence holding it all down, they are quite possibly a symptom and not the cause

[64hz]

on the other hand:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ading.html

people spouting this '6%' statistic will not only encourage more rapists but also discourage victims from reporting the crime.
also on the rape issue, most rapes arent carried out by random strangers, but by partners and people intimate with the victim. the problem is deeper than the fact that police simply cant be assed.

and at least the police in this country dont need a 'kitu kidogo' to be encouraged not to batter you on the spot.

[pkay]

erm they do quite a bit actually. . .

Care to elaborate?.. Anywho I mean in a general sense..especially here..Police are good for nothing. Just trying to meet their quotas.

Feel free to spend a week in Juarez or another border city over on our half of the planet and report back whether your police are good for nothing.

I understand why cops shouldnt be able to strike but it sucks they don't have better representation on their behalf.

[Greedy Selector]

Someone was bound to....

Beat me to it!!

[firky]

whats the motto written on Police cars in America dude?

"Shoot every ******"

[pkay]

whats the motto written on Police cars in America dude?

depends our police arent national or state run motto differs from city to city.

I think the austin cars say "Don't be a fucking retard and we'll leave you alone"

I'm considered a minority and living in the south and the only time I've ever been fucked with was when I was high, carrying drugs, on my way to get high or get drugs, or fighting. All situations that as an adult I can recognize that I should've been fucked with by the police.

Not sure how it is in the UK.... but generally the cops do a decent job..... it's honestly the gang/drug task force retards who try and act like they're mackie from the shield.

[cosmic_surgeon]

people spouting this '6%' statistic will not only encourage more rapists but also discourage victims from reporting the crime.

Simply asserting that talking about the statistic will encourage more rapists or discourage people from reporting it doesn't change the fact that only 6% of rapes make it to court. Trying to pander off the reality of these statistics by insisting that it will encourage rapists is a cop out. If the statistic wasn't 6% in the first place then there'd be no need to worry. Instead of thinking about what would happen if people realised the reality of the situation (that the police more or less can't handle it) make an effort to increase the amount of cases which go to court. What they're advocating by saying this is to ignore the fact that only 6% of cases make it to court when that's what is important.

[Sirius]

let the police go on strike for 6 months (with no martial law)!!

then watch how we "the people", would react.

firstly there would be an increase in crime, mostly theft, burglary, intentional damage, fighting, etc.
( I doubt murder, rape, kidnap, & other extreme crime would grow much).

then people would start banding together to deal with the issues.
there would be renegade squads patrolling our streets.

thing is, once a person who committed a crime is caught, they would get their ass caned!
they would be dealt with alot harsher than they would have by the police.

then maybe revenge against the renegades would ensue.

Without community leaders (which we don't find many of nowadays), the loudest mouth & biggest brawn will be in charge.


When it comes down to it... we need the police, but we need to change the laws that they uphold!
SOOO many bs laws, & this falls into the hands of our government.

bring back the forces that our parents had, the pre PC popo.
let em take the keys off drunk drivers, smack those that give em shit in the face, etc.

!!chea

[test_recordings]

We wouldn't need the police if we lived in smaller-scale societies where everyone looked out for each other