A good read : RWDMAG forum on dubstep

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:49 am

metalboxproducts wrote:
Kode 9 was my lecturer in uni........badman from day! When is Kode 9's Rinse set?

University Of East London! Man would give extensions like nothing! lol
HAHA

'Um, s'cuse me Steve, i went out raving all weekend to soak up some first-hand UKG and jungle atmospheres so i haven't done any work'

'no worries'

LMAO Thats not far from the truth......from the day he played ice rink in class I knew i was passing the module!

Big up Steve all day, the b*tch on the second year was stupid!
ACE

Innit, i wanna know more.

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:55 am

doLLy wrote:
Rudeski Damager wrote:I don't think the problem is the violent lyrics
I honestly think this IS the problem with Grime at the moment...especially with young and upcoming MC's...

I agree. 95% of the Grime MC's I've heard just brag about how their gun is bigger than their mates (the other day I heard some MC chatting about how he was going to "stab you with my gun").

The only "Grime" style MC that I rate is Dogzilla because he tells a story and he's lyrics are comical.

docdoom · Post by **docdoom** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:37 am

Thomas wrote:
metalboxproducts wrote:
Kode 9 was my lecturer in uni........badman from day! When is Kode 9's Rinse set?

University Of East London! Man would give extensions like nothing! lol
HAHA

'Um, s'cuse me Steve, i went out raving all weekend to soak up some first-hand UKG and jungle atmospheres so i haven't done any work'

'no worries'

LMAO Thats not far from the truth......from the day he played ice rink in class I knew i was passing the module!

Big up Steve all day, the b*tch on the second year was stupid!
ACE
Innit, i wanna know more.

Me in my RWD guise! Not the guy who had 9 as a lecturer, the other one.

docdoom · Post by **docdoom** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:38 am

smudge wrote:
doLLy wrote:
Rudeski Damager wrote:I don't think the problem is the violent lyrics
I honestly think this IS the problem with Grime at the moment...especially with young and upcoming MC's...

I agree. 95% of the Grime MC's I've heard just brag about how their gun is bigger than their mates (the other day I heard some MC chatting about how he was going to "stab you with my gun").

The only "Grime" style MC that I rate is Dogzilla because he tells a story and he's lyrics are comical.

Mate you need to here Trim, Wiley and the Ruff Sqwad guys at their best, they make Dog-z look like a child.

dub_warrior · Post by **dub_warrior** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:27 am

mc'ing to this type of music is nothing new
all of the old stuff like jon e cash etc was all dark and slow like dubstep

Dubstep was also called Grime before.

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:30 am

Rudeski Damager wrote:Some of the dubstep raves I have been 2 have been certiified wasteman nerd conventions.

lol too joke

fooishbar · Post by **fooishbar** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:41 pm

Dj DeXterous wrote:
fooishbar wrote:
Rudeski Damager wrote:Purple spraying on;

Coki - Tortured

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ung76b

big up akka
this is too large ... re-up?
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 957A288021

sorry, i missed it again ... waceman. :\ any chance of a second? sorry blud.

blazey · Post by **blazey** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:17 pm

Mighty Moe on Dubstep = Incredible.

He tore down Dubloaded with Hatcha!

djbmc · Post by **djbmc** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:12 pm

RANDOM TRIO wrote:wot alot of people have 2 remember is in the early dayz the grime boyz didnt wana know about dubstep..like most peoples opinions it wasn't gonna go no where...

now that is obviously not the case, it seems like every tom dick and harry from every other scene wants a piece of the pie.
with regards to grime mc's jumping on dubstep sets, that should be left to the dj's discretion.
in my opinion dub step dont need mc's it does just nicely with big boy host such as crazy and poax.

big up plastician aswell. ( rwd posts )

Nah mate Grime and Dubstep were the same to start with, i remember listening to old Hatcha sets, ones i got from Bigapple records, before ppl were calling it Grime/Dubstep there weren't no difference. It's only been since the MASSIVE shift away from the DJ and onto the MC in Grime that there's been a split

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:13 pm

DJBMC wrote:Nah mate Grime and Dubstep were the same to start with

LOL

djbmc · Post by **djbmc** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:18 pm

Paulie wrote:
DJBMC wrote:Nah mate Grime and Dubstep were the same to start with
LOL

blazey · Post by **blazey** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:20 pm

That was a BOLD statement BMC.

djbmc · Post by **djbmc** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:55 am

blazey wrote:That was a BOLD statement BMC.

Bold but true, before ppl were callin it 'dubstep' or 'grime' they were the same. All the tunes were sold together in the 'uk garage' section of shops. The only noticable difference was the higher production values on some tunes

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:07 pm

Rudeski Damager wrote:
Delendi wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
Delendi wrote:some waste guy said:

"A host isn't fine. Crazy going "Waa Waa Waaaaaaaw" is the most vexing thing i've ever heard in a rave."

.
i agree with him, makes the fwd podcast unlistenable
for home listening i like sets clean... but in a rave i like the hosting.
I am that "waste guy"..

I've only been to FWD 3 times, so perhaps I'm not knowledgable enough to comment on these so called Dubstep MC's. But I have listened to hiphop before I listened to Grime/Dubstep even b4 either genre was really moving too. So I place a lot of importance on both lyrics and beats. A swag MC can ruin a beat for me. When I went FWD and he was there chatting his usual nonsense I was pissed. Anyone can do that over a riddim. Perhaps u was listenin 2 Techno/Indie music and u don't really understand the ways in which bars are as important as the riddims sometimes.

You also took my point completley out of context, I was saying that I'd prefer people who are proven MC's & who have been spittin 4 years to spray bars over these beats. Not some guy just TALKING away and going "Waaa Waaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" etc. I'm not sending for Crazy D, I just don't see why he is needed when there are far better alternatives.

I think in truth a lot of you dubstep fans are shook of the grime scene and think that if a bag a man turn up and spray bars on ur set the "Nice Vibes" will be ruined. That is a fair and valid point. Because the last Sidewinder I was at was almost ruined because some children jumped on a hype and had 2 shank a next guy. No one wants that, including the majority of the grime scene. Some of the dubstep raves I have been 2 have been certiified wasteman nerd conventions. A bit of attitude and hype will make dubstep BETTER. As long as the BAD ELEMENTS of the grime scene are kept out of the venue there is really nothing to lose with merging the 2 aspects....(grime l yrics, dubstep beats).

A lot of these people have been producing/spitting from when u was still listening 2 the Klaxons and all the garbage. Just because often the people who listen to/make grime music are ghetto people it dosen't mean their musical prowess / knowledge of when to let a riddim ride out and when 2 spray is any more or less than ppl in the dubstep scene. They are MC's its their job.

I spend a lot of time trying 2 convince grime fans that Dubstep is actually far superior in some ways and they should give it a chance. But it seems like a lot of dubstep fans have this vehement unfounded hatred for a genre of music (grime) they know next to nothing about.....

reading back on what I typed a lot of it sounds confused and even wrong. if you'd like to discuss it i'll be at FWD on the 2nd, so u can tell me 2 suck out 2 my face then if you really want to.

lol i was gonna tell you you're confused till you said it yourself...

persoanlly i love crazy d, and i come from a background of working with hip-hop and grime MCs for the past 5 or 6 years...

each to their own innit

peace

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:21 pm

Rudeski Damager wrote:Grime ain't dead in notts fam. I live here. People are TRYING to kill Grime. The Promoters almost have succeeded but there are still a handful of us moving. Hold tight Nat, Klassic, myself & rest of the blackops family! It is just not possible 2 play grime in notts anymore solely because of little idiots causing hype. I don't think the problem is the violent lyrics, its stupid and impressionably people who go on like children all the time. I do agree with u about peer pressure tho.

Oi u should check that Purple link I posted. Seems like thats the kind of grime u'd rather hear on dubstep riddims?

I'm all for progression in the music and the scene too.

was grime ever really live in notts??
garage had twins, theyr called grime and dubstep.they look a lil diff but theyr the same blood.

RubiconMan · Post by **RubiconMan** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:34 pm

J_J wrote:
garage had twins, theyr called grime and dubstep.they look a lil diff but theyr the same blood.

truth

jamie · Post by **jamie** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:20 pm

was grime ever really live in notts??

Mos def mate, I'd say its more the police and council that killed it than the promoters tho - with their narrow views on all underground business there was no doubt that as soon as the raves got hectic it would be blown out of all proportion by the local rag and national news, leading to shit getting shut down. Notts is alot smaller than all the other top cities, our inner and outer areas aint part of one 'Greater Nottingham' either (Thanks to bad sewage networks in the 1700s or some stuuupid shit) so when something bad happens it gets applied to the whole city cos big news cant be arsed to differentiate.

I'd also say playing grime in Notts has become easier again thanks to the dubstep banner bein waved high by promoters/clubs/local media, it leads the 'people' away from the term grime - which scares old ladies/local MEPs into complaining to the feds about stopping the raves...

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