Datsik Bass? No Problem!

[MT Dubstep]

Hey guys, my first post on here, and I thought I'd save it for something good!

Basically, I was messing around trying to make a decent bass and eventually from piling loads of sounds+effects on I got this!
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So everybody who wants to scrape the bass, Get something heavy and pile as many other synths/basses on (you don't have to go too crazy, I had about 3 or 4 sounds piled up) Add flanges + vocoders, tweak the LFO to your liking, and BOOM!

Your one step closer to the bass, this is only a rough guideline on how I made MY bass, I have not yet finished tweaking it, and if I get any closer I will make another post on how I did it.

If anybody has anything to add please do!

Thanks,
MT

[ToxicBass]

If you put this much effort into making a 'MT Productionz' bass patch I think you'd be onto something.

[shadowprotocol]

While the sound is cool, he's right. Take this knowledge you have now and try to find a way to make it original. Find your own sound

[Gewze]

was pleasantly surprised, thought it would be more shit but its proper catchy. very nice sound, didnt like the high pitched noise though, felt like my ear drums ripped.

[MT Dubstep]

I agree with you, I thought I should post it to help everyone who wanted to create it, as I've seen these posts since day one of been on the forum.
I doubt people will stop posting though :/

And I seriously could not find a decent synth to go with the bass so I went with something painful

[Dreadfunk]

Sounds like a basic wobble with some effects on it Not to say it doesn't sound nice, but definitely not something I hear and go "how'd he do that?!"

[Filthzilla]

Render the bass as and audio file...
Clone it, so you've got two indentical copies.
Pan 1 to hard left, Pan 1 to hard right.
Play them both togethter but move one of them ever so slightly so that they're displaced.

Sounds whack. ^_^

[CBK81]

That doesn't sound like the datsik bass to me.

[Basic A]

Massive > Osc 1 carbon > Unison to 5-8, enable wavetable position unison, set it to the very center of the slider, slightly to the left. lowpass 4 on filter 1, lfo its cutoff + osc amp 1, automate osc 1 position to get it talking, insert teletube in fx1 and the expander to fx2... Call it retreat/swagga...

Oh shit did I demystify that? Im sorry =/...

[Kes-Es]

Sounds like a basic wobble with a flange on it.

I am disappoint.

[ramses020]

Massive > Osc 1 carbon > Unison to 5-8, enable wavetable position unison, set it to the very center of the slider, slightly to the left. lowpass 4 on filter 1, lfo its cutoff + osc amp 1, automate osc 1 position to get it talking, insert teletube in fx1 and the expander to fx2... Call it retreat/swagga...

Oh shit did I demystify that? Im sorry =/...

What is there to demystify? Basic starting point, basses like that are all about the processing anyways.

@OP, quite an ok bass, just don't think about it in terms of Datsik/Skrillex whatever.

[Basic A]

Massive > Osc 1 carbon > Unison to 5-8, enable wavetable position unison, set it to the very center of the slider, slightly to the left. lowpass 4 on filter 1, lfo its cutoff + osc amp 1, automate osc 1 position to get it talking, insert teletube in fx1 and the expander to fx2... Call it retreat/swagga...

Oh shit did I demystify that? Im sorry =/...

What is there to demystify? Basic starting point, basses like that are all about the processing anyways.

@OP, quite an ok bass, just don't think about it in terms of Datsik/Skrillex whatever.

Buuut, thats not a basic starting point, its a finished patch, and isnt gonna require jack for post-processing aside from a reverb to color it in with the rest of the track, just modulating whats in the synth and layering with a bunch of sweeps... worst case scenario, a filterbank, but no extreme post processing... I think a big part of what keeps these brostep sounds so out of peoples reach is there trying to turn them out using a bunch of distortion units and flangers and complicated effects chains shit when people should be more minimally minded and learn their synths... And even then, when learning the synths, they overcomplicate things, instead of realizing the simplest route is probably the correct one (isnt that like a law of physics?)... The resampling thing is to keep the filters moving, not to pile on 8million distortion units and shit.

The sounds should be right coming out of your synth. Always. Stop trying to polish turds with a million post-effects, and make simple, effective patches instead.

Bro basses are 99% of the time very basic patches like that, layered with a ton of sweeps. IDK what skrillex even sounds like, Ive never heard his music, so I cant comment on that, but, I think people GROSSLY overestimate the amount of post-processing being done to datscision sounds, and ignore the power of simple patches because of it.

Simple things tend to be what sound most stunning. Its NOT all about processing. Its about efective sound design.

[hasezwei]

Massive > Osc 1 carbon > Unison to 5-8, enable wavetable position unison, set it to the very center of the slider, slightly to the left. lowpass 4 on filter 1, lfo its cutoff + osc amp 1, automate osc 1 position to get it talking, insert teletube in fx1 and the expander to fx2... Call it retreat/swagga...

Oh shit did I demystify that? Im sorry =/...

What is there to demystify? Basic starting point, basses like that are all about the processing anyways.

@OP, quite an ok bass, just don't think about it in terms of Datsik/Skrillex whatever.

Buuut, thats not a basic starting point, its a finished patch, and isnt gonna require jack for post-processing aside from a reverb to color it in with the rest of the track, just modulating whats in the synth and layering with a bunch of sweeps... worst case scenario, a filterbank, but no extreme post processing... I think a big part of what keeps these brostep sounds so out of peoples reach is there trying to turn them out using a bunch of distortion units and flangers and complicated effects chains shit when people should be more minimally minded and learn their synths... And even then, when learning the synths, they overcomplicate things, instead of realizing the simplest route is probably the correct one (isnt that like a law of physics?)... The resampling thing is to keep the filters moving, not to pile on 8million distortion units and shit.

The sounds should be right coming out of your synth. Always. Stop trying to polish turds with a million post-effects, and make simple, effective patches instead.

Bro basses are 99% of the time very basic patches like that, layered with a ton of sweeps. IDK what skrillex even sounds like, Ive never heard his music, so I cant comment on that, but, I think people GROSSLY overestimate the amount of post-processing being done to datscision sounds, and ignore the power of simple patches because of it.

Simple things tend to be what sound most stunning. Its NOT all about processing. Its about efective sound design.

word on that. the magic of resampling in the signature datsik bass (you know, the one in 'boom' for example) is that they pasted together parts off a couple different versions of the same sound. they probably just looped it, played around with the filters and then picked what sounded good together.
the skrillex bass in scatta however is probably layered with shittons of foley but fuck it i'll never figure that one out anyway
Basic A, while i totally respect never having listened to skrillex (his music is a metaphor for everything that's wrong with my generation) you should at least check the sound at 0:40 here.


just saying, i hate the music but i can't help wanting to know the processes behind that bass. that's some hollywood sounddesign shit right there (maybe he just paid a studio to make that sound for him )

[lyons238]

doesn't sound like datsik to me. datsiks basslines usually dont have much harmonics once hes done with them. i can still hear some in this bass line. it is a catchy tune though. nicely done. but i wouldn't call that a datsik bass. his are more growly and morphy sounding lol. and eq that high pitch sound a bit so its not so harsh.

keep at it. nice tune.

[Dreadfunk]

Resampling has a lot less to it than most people think.

The main benefit is that you can move the sounds around and frankenstein 3-4 different basses together instead of playing the synth like an insrument with midi, you're taking the sounds you like out of it and rearranging them to make weird / interesting basses. Learning how to do frankenbasses and getting your head out of actual notes is how you get those crazy brostep basses. It's usually the interaction of complex LFO stuff (you can take 3/8ths of an LFO cycle if you want and jam it onto another sound thats oscillating at a completely different speed) and glide in places you wouldn't expect it.

It's less about processing, though that's important too. Mostly weird filters (Fab Filter Volcano, Tone2Bifilter) are all you need to mangle basses sufficiently. Mangle em in 3-4 different ways, resample, and splice.

That's the concept. It takes a lot of practice to do it right and get usable and interesting results. And that's all datsik does to make his basses. Fuck around, splice shit, and keep trying until something cool comes out of it.

[Muta]

Massive > Osc 1 carbon > Unison to 5-8, enable wavetable position unison, set it to the very center of the slider, slightly to the left. lowpass 4 on filter 1, lfo its cutoff + osc amp 1, automate osc 1 position to get it talking, insert teletube in fx1 and the expander to fx2... Call it retreat/swagga...

Oh shit did I demystify that? Im sorry =/...

What is there to demystify? Basic starting point, basses like that are all about the processing anyways.

@OP, quite an ok bass, just don't think about it in terms of Datsik/Skrillex whatever.

Buuut, thats not a basic starting point, its a finished patch, and isnt gonna require jack for post-processing aside from a reverb to color it in with the rest of the track, just modulating whats in the synth and layering with a bunch of sweeps... worst case scenario, a filterbank, but no extreme post processing... I think a big part of what keeps these brostep sounds so out of peoples reach is there trying to turn them out using a bunch of distortion units and flangers and complicated effects chains shit when people should be more minimally minded and learn their synths... And even then, when learning the synths, they overcomplicate things, instead of realizing the simplest route is probably the correct one (isnt that like a law of physics?)... The resampling thing is to keep the filters moving, not to pile on 8million distortion units and shit.

The sounds should be right coming out of your synth. Always. Stop trying to polish turds with a million post-effects, and make simple, effective patches instead.

Bro basses are 99% of the time very basic patches like that, layered with a ton of sweeps. IDK what skrillex even sounds like, Ive never heard his music, so I cant comment on that, but, I think people GROSSLY overestimate the amount of post-processing being done to datscision sounds, and ignore the power of simple patches because of it.

Simple things tend to be what sound most stunning. Its NOT all about processing. Its about efective sound design.

Actually, I used to think al that shit about piling up 8million FX-units and keep processing it till I thought I would die, etc.
But since that never has worked out properly for me I started just to fuck around in the actual synth and get some more proper sound-design skills within that synth. Now may I say, I can get alot closer to these brostep basses that way. I dont resample my bass anymore, just some camelphat, Maybe some effectrix en some other kind of filter-thingy maybe on the FX-chain, but that really is it.

Gets me alot closer to them basses instead of resampling to death. (if you want to hear an example, theres a tune in my sig. not saying it is proper Datsicion, just saying that realizing this got me a step closer.)

[collective]

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the skrillex bass in scatta however is probably layered with shittons of foley but fuck it i'll never figure that one out anyway
Basic A, while i totally respect never having listened to skrillex (his music is a metaphor for everything that's wrong with my generation) you should at least check the sound at 0:40 here.

that bass is only a simple wobble bass layered with 2-3 vocals run through vocoders...real obvious on that one.

[Ldizzy]

Go to the datsik thread and listen to ur patch again. do a lot of a/b in...

u still need some improvement and some people do it even better then this... and they still get told that its useless to do such things nowadays ( cant agree wit that tho)

[jaydot]

It sounds not too bad... Not a sound I'd go for though...like people say try creating your own bass styles. I've really been getting to know NI Massive recently and although I'm not creating what I'd call unique sounds I'm trying to be original, which is goood.

[REAP3RMusic]

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the skrillex bass in scatta however is probably layered with shittons of foley but fuck it i'll never figure that one out anyway
Basic A, while i totally respect never having listened to skrillex (his music is a metaphor for everything that's wrong with my generation) you should at least check the sound at 0:40 here.

that bass is only a simple wobble bass layered with 2-3 vocals run through vocoders...real obvious on that one.

Massive > Modern Talking in OSC1 > WT Position on full > Resample and split the frequencies > Low Pass filter on the high band > Overdrive on the mid band.