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St. Patricks Day

Post by esfandyar » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:59 pm

Anything special go on with you lot for St. Patricks? I thought I would share this with you guys.

During the St. Patricks day parade here in Phoenix, a small contingent of individuals (including myself) participated in the parade and marched to show solidarity with the Irish, the Latino, and the indigenous community, describing why racism on migrants should not be tolerated. This message was aimed at a majority white population who were the audience of the parade.
Four hundred copies of this flier were distributed during this morning's annual St. Patrick's day parade in central Phoenix. The flier was handed out as a small group of 10 people marched in the parade with banners in support of migrants and regional indigenous struggles.



“Irish-American Solidarity” is a contingent of Irish-Americans and allies dedicated to solidarity and support for the indigenous people of this region, as well as the Latino immigrant communities in the greater Phoenix area. We march in this year’s St. Patrick’s Day to honor the legacy of the San Patricio Battalion, a group of Irish immigrants who escaped the Irish potato famine to the US, and ultimately became the symbols of Irish-Mexican solidarity after deserting the US army during the Mexican-American war.



Like an all too familiar contemporary immigrant narrative, the conscripted Irish soldiers faced racism from their nativist commanding officers and soldier counter parts, including denying them Sunday mass. When these new immigrant soldiers were then given orders to attack Mexican forces, they refused and deserted, instead fighting alongside the Mexican army against the US invasion. After the end of the war, many of the San Patricio were executed by the US army as traitors, but the legacy of their friendship and sacrifices resonated with so many Mexican people that they were not soon forgotten. 150 years later, it was a group of activists from Ireland who made the English language translations of statements and news from the Zapatista indigenous peasant uprising available on the internet, forcing the Mexican government to stop any repression.



The dual ugliness of the occupation by England, and the Irish potato famine made life unbearable for many poor Irish. In 1847, at the height of the famine, the Irish received a great gesture of support from the Chocktaw people, who raised $710, no small amount of money in the mid 1800s, to help starving Irish men, women, and kids. That this donation was collected after the brutal and deadly forced relocation of the Chocktaw to Oklahoma, known as the Trail of Tears, speaks volumes of the generosity of native peoples who recognized the crisis that Irish people faced.



As Irish-Americans, almost all of us are in the US as the result of England’s (continuing)colonial occupation, and yet we are also standing by as colonial attacks continue on the O’odham people, indigenous to this land we are on. Right now the O’odham face the partial destruction of their holy mountain of this area, many of us call it South Mountain, for the planned 202 freeway extension. This is the desecration of a sacred site. It was just a few years ago that there was a similar campaign in Ireland against the construction of a motorway through the valley of Tara, a world heritage site containing ancient burial grounds. This too was a desecration, and although the highway was eventually constructed, people resisted this development with civil disobedience, protest marches, and sabotage of building equipment.



We don’t need another roadway, our relatives in Ireland knew it, and our O’odham neighbors in Gila River know it too. Once again, it’s the politicians and corporations who want more progress, but what’s progressing other than the destruction of the earth and our health while they look for more profit? Is knocking 25 minutes off of a semi truck’s drive by bypassing Phoenix worth destroying part of south mountain and putting another environmental health hazard in an area where indigenous people will be most effected?



We fully extend our solidarity to the O’odham people further south in Arizona as well, to the effect that we too want an end to the militarization of Tohono O’odham lands that are divided by the US/Mexico border wall and occupied by Border Patrol and US military. We also want an end to all racist anti-immigrant laws aimed at migrants fleeing political and economic hardships. Irish history is a proud history of resistance to colonialism and oppression, and as Irish-Americans we should all be glad to carry on this tradition of solidarity and resistance to oppression.
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Post by wub » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:01 pm

That seems like a lot of effort. I was just planning to have a pint of Guiness and maybe sing along to a U2 song.

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Post by hutyluty » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:03 pm

we had some irish people jigging around in millenium square-

never seen so many scary looking people dancin with such frivolity
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Post by kidshuffle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:12 pm

We're bringing Netsky, so it should be a pretty fun St Pattys. I usually have a kegger, but meh
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Post by esfandyar » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:13 pm

wub wrote:That seems like a lot of effort. I was just planning to have a pint of Guiness and maybe sing along to a U2 song.
singing and drinking is definitely in order.
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Post by sigbowls » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:15 pm

its going to be fun ive got weed and theres a cool irish pub by my house
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Post by alphacat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:36 pm

St. Patrick's is seriously about the biggest fucking amateur night out there - it's like people feel compelled to fulfill their yearly alcohol poisoning quotient on that one night, just because.

Also: St. Patrick himself was a right bastard. The story of him dispelling all the snakes from Ireland was thinly veiled allegory for the Church's assault on native paganism there.

However, I dig this attempt to educate folks about colonialist/imperialist shenanigans and how immigrants are being demonized by the far right. Props!

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Post by esfandyar » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:57 pm

alphacat wrote:St. Patrick's is seriously about the biggest fucking amateur night out there - it's like people feel compelled to fulfill their yearly alcohol poisoning quotient on that one night, just because.

Also: St. Patrick himself was a right bastard. The story of him dispelling all the snakes from Ireland was thinly veiled allegory for the Church's assault on native paganism there.

However, I dig this attempt to educate folks about colonialist/imperialist shenanigans and how immigrants are being demonized by the far right. Props!
yea it was an interesting response from the dominated white audience who was there for the march. we did get a pretty good response with this, lots of applause.. of course there were some who couldnt look past their own race, which was expected. but to get the response we did from a majority white audience was awesome.

we were really happy we did it.
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Re: St. Patricks Day

Post by Durag » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:19 pm

I'm Irish and basically all paddies day is about here is drinking all day and night,getting unbearably drunk, getting in fights, getting thrown outta pubs/niteclubs, more fighting, wreaking everything and/or getting arrested. That's basically it. It's supposed to be a celebration of being Irish, but instead we indulge in all the negative aspects of Irish society. Goodfun though.

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Re: St. Patricks Day

Post by Duffman » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:20 pm

I find it funny that Americans celebrate St.Paddy's day a lot more than the Irish.

Also St.Paddy's grave is in my town and all we have is a shitty parade and a few stabbings.
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Post by clifford_- » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:25 pm

Duffman wrote:I find it funny that Americans celebrate St.Paddy's day a lot more than the Irish.

They do like to make a big deal out of it dont they??
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Post by sigbowls » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:28 pm

theres alot of irish pubs here
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Post by clifford_- » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:34 pm

signals wrote:theres alot of irish pubs here
theres a lot of irish pubs here too. but then again, what do you call an irish pub?? an irish themed one? or just a pub that resembles your average pub in ireland?
theres a difference!
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Post by sigbowls » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:42 pm

they dont play crappy hip hop thats what makes it better
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Post by Duffman » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:11 pm

clifford_- wrote:
signals wrote:theres alot of irish pubs here
theres a lot of irish pubs here too. but then again, what do you call an irish pub?? an irish themed one? or just a pub that resembles your average pub in ireland?
theres a difference!
Exactly. Most Irish pubs in Ireland are just normal pubs. Not everyone drinking Guinness, listening to Irish traditional music and doing an Irish jig.

I'm guessing the reason why American's are over top with their St.Paddy's celebrations is because a lot of them think their Irish. You know because their great great cousins dog was Irish.
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Post by alphacat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:22 pm

Duffman wrote:
clifford_- wrote:
signals wrote:theres alot of irish pubs here
theres a lot of irish pubs here too. but then again, what do you call an irish pub?? an irish themed one? or just a pub that resembles your average pub in ireland?
theres a difference!
Exactly. Most Irish pubs in Ireland are just normal pubs. Not everyone drinking Guinness, listening to Irish traditional music and doing an Irish jig.

I'm guessing the reason why American's are over top with their St.Paddy's celebrations is because a lot of them think their Irish. You know because their great great cousins dog was Irish.
Actually I remember reading that the Irish are the second most well-represented national group in America after Germans; the proof is in the number of last names. German last names have the biggest representation, followed by Irish ones shortly behind.

The ethnicity Americans lie WAY MORE about being [than Irish] is Native American. :roll:

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Post by firky » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:23 pm

I fucking hate St. Patrick's day, it's just a big advert for Guinness, with loads of students, fake Irish, pissheads and other assorted tossers getting pissed in "Irish Pubs". Which in my experience are normal pubs with a couple of Shamrocks hung behind the bar, Pogues on the juke box and an extra 30% put on the price of Guinness - which is ALWAYS poured ENTIRELY differently to it is in Ireland.

Plus what really annoys me is those Irish flag waving Americans. If everyone in America who claimed to be Irish or have Irish heritage then Ireland would have the population of China! "I am Irish, My Great Great Grandfather died of dysentery on a ship sailing from Cork to Boston. That makes me Irish, and my son, and his son." FUCK OFF!

On a plus side it's me Mum's birthday so we usually go out or something as a family the following weekend... as to avoid the above 8)
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Post by clifford_- » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:24 pm

Duffman wrote:
clifford_- wrote:
signals wrote:theres alot of irish pubs here
theres a lot of irish pubs here too. but then again, what do you call an irish pub?? an irish themed one? or just a pub that resembles your average pub in ireland?
theres a difference!
Exactly. Most Irish pubs in Ireland are just normal pubs. Not everyone drinking Guinness, listening to Irish traditional music and doing an Irish jig.

I'm guessing the reason why American's are over top with their St.Paddy's celebrations is because a lot of them think their Irish. You know because their great great cousins dog was Irish.

This was pretty much the point i was getting at.

Like when you walk into an oniels over here.

Theres no oniels in ireland i swear.....
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Post by firky » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:26 pm

Extra Cold Guinnness?

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Post by esfandyar » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:32 pm

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