DUBSTEP ON SOULSEEK

markle · Post by **markle** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:18 pm

wascal wrote:1. Download Coagula: http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm

This is a great solution if a little impratical and time consuming.

Unfortunately as soon as your tracks hit the public domain some muthafucker will share it. Standard. Nothing will change that. However, we can crack down on tracks getting leaked prior to release by persoanlising the tracks as people have suggest before.

Being both a journo and running an indie label i sit on both sides of the fence. My future releases will be sent watermarked to a selective group of trusted press and DJ's. If it's leaked you'll know who the shit is and can happily break their noses nest time you see them, and of course, stop sending them stuff.

Get the ship tight and take no prisoners.

Like Andrew Bees says...Militant!!!

geroyche · Post by **geroyche** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:18 pm

milanese wrote: Its often around the time that stuff get sent to press that things start getting shared. ... I've kind of accepted some degree of sharing but when its long before the release, that winds me up.

True true. That's where release groups have ties to.
It's a logic conclusion too that pre-release sharing in Dubstep is mostly exclusively related to Tempa and Planet µ (and less of an issue than with other genres), seeing how they give promo items to the press.
I agree about dubs, since they are being given to people with the order to keep them locked. But really, there a less than a few questionable dubs available there.

Here's what really annoys me though:
stuff like [(**link edited out)

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:13 pm

I used to download the occassional bit but don't anymore, and the majority of tunes I liked I tracked down on vinyl and bought. Trouble is though that most of these were old garage tunes so I got them off e-bay so the artists wouldn't have seen any money anyway.

Another case for reissuing the Ghost back catalogue I think (hint, hint)

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:45 pm

Realistically there isn't much we can do to stop it, except make sure people reading this forum are aware that it really does damage the small labels. the whole 'I try mp3s then buy the real thing' doesn't really work in a scene so small and driven by such low-profit margin labels.

To quote The Flashbulb on this one:

The problem however, is in file sharing. There’s a lot of talk in the media about how file sharing is destroying the music business. This is absolutely false, take my word. File sharing is benefiting big labels by means of shutting down their much-less-financially-secure independent competitors. Legal payouts and damages will continue, and the smaller labels like Alphabasic, Planet-Mu, Zod, Rephlex…etc (who suffer the most from piracy) will continue to NOT see compensation for their losses due to lack of political and market influence. Instead this compensation is given to the RIAA, who is (so far successfully) using file sharing as a strategy to completely monopolize the market.

So please, support smaller labels by not sharing this and other independent albums on peer to peer networks. A single lost sale to piracy damages us smaller companies a lot, and prevents us from printing new recordings.

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:53 pm

Dusty wrote:the whole 'I try mp3s then buy the real thing' doesn't really work in a scene so small and driven by such low-profit margin labels.

nah. that strategy should work, but the problem is people lie about it.

if everyone who said that actually did buy the stuff they like, then we'd be fine, unless low-profit margins actually means people should buy stuff they don't like as well.

anyway fact of the matter is: I don't care who you are - even if you're a big boy electronica producer like flashbulb, you can't prove anything about whether file sharing negatively or positively affects the industry. and even if you could, it's not a given that the industry is something worth defending.

another fact is that sharing material that hasn't been released is extremely rude - you're betraying the trust of the producer that made it, and that's not on.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:59 pm

wascal wrote:1. Download Coagula: http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm

2. Draw a different image for each person you send your dubs to and convert to a wave file. The wave files usually sound ok, kind of Tipper style fx sweeps..

3. Check the file through your spectral analyzer to make sure it shows up when you play it back.

4. Drop this sample somewhere in your tune where it isnt too noticable but will still be heard if it end up on a mixtape etc. Go back to your spectral analyzer and make sure it still shows up when you play it back.

5. Send out your dubs to everyone you normally would and make a note of which dj got which watermarked tune.

6. Watch your tune appear on soulseek months before release and know exactly who the leaker is.

Safe.

PS. this is pretty much the same thing as the aphex face at the end of Windowlicker: http://www.bastwood.com/aphex.php

that is seriously the coolest thing EVER.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:21 pm

i support and encourage watermarking 150%. it's a silent and effective way to narrow down substantially a group of people you can trust, versus a group of people you can't. then every release afterwards you can narrow that group down even further to a handful of names.

wascal · Post by **wascal** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:24 pm

Markle wrote:
wascal wrote:1. Download Coagula: http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Coagula.htm
This is a great solution if a little impratical and time consuming.

Kind of, but you only have to make the picture/samples once, and use them on everything you send out to certain people or just keep note of who got what for which tune. It won't stop the final release getting on slsk but should put an end to dub leaking..

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:47 pm

what i dont understand is why would ANYONE WHO IS TRUSTED WITH DUBS AND ADVANCES leak them to the p2p network. for some reason or another, they are close enough with the musician to be trusted with it.. media aside. its just respect.

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 5:57 pm

guerillaeye wrote:what i dont understand is why would ANYONE WHO IS TRUSTED WITH DUBS AND ADVANCES leak them to the p2p network. for some reason or another, they are close enough with the musician to be trusted with it.. media aside. its just respect.

i dont understand why people 'entrusted' with dubs bother taking the time out to rip it onto mp3. im too lazy to move tunes to my sharing folder let alone rip a fuckin vinyl!

dj slums · Post by **dj slums** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:22 pm

ozols man wrote:
guerillaeye wrote:what i dont understand is why would ANYONE WHO IS TRUSTED WITH DUBS AND ADVANCES leak them to the p2p network. for some reason or another, they are close enough with the musician to be trusted with it.. media aside. its just respect.
i dont understand why people 'entrusted' with dubs bother taking the time out to rip it onto mp3. im too lazy to move tunes to my sharing folder let alone rip a fuckin vinyl!

INNIT!! WTF?

why the heck would somone whos got all that baddest dubs even consider it? its not like theyre making money out of sharing somones tunes. plus its going to uploaded by people the guy doesnt even know! weirdness.

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