Removing copyrighted material from dedicated sites/P2P, etc?

[pkay]

If you don't send a proper DMCA notice your email will be ignored.

Theres currently no way to get anything removed from The Pirate Bay, but I've had swift responses from a lot of file sharing sites who removed our files in around 24 hours.

Make sure you sign up to Google Alerts too...

What is the benefits of using Google Alerts? People have spoken about it, but I don't know what it is!

its a service where you can type in key words or topics so that you are notified when new entries show up. For a label it's best to do something like "Artist" "EP Title" "Track 1" "Track 2" "Label name" stuff like that so you can see if someone is linking to your content.

Also is nice to see where blogs are chatting about your label and releases in general.

[DonLuigi]

I wonder what percentage of the downloaded/shared music being discussed was made on illegally downloaded software/plug-ins in the 1st place ??? Just saying !!!

[scspkr99]

Well I'm going to keep my opinions about all this to myself, but I do find three facets of this discussion very interesting.

1) Piracy and File sharing is not the same thing. Though it could be argued that file sharing too costs labels and musicians a lot of income. Common theory is that: hat which can be downloaded for free, will hardly ever be paid for unless you are dealing with :
A) Vinyl DJ's
B) Collectors of the physical product
C) Music Purists who think creativity should be rewarded and music has an attached dollar value to it. In other words : What most would consider to be common sense in commerce : you create and distribute something <=> you get money for that.
D) People who simply don't know how to access/download files for free on the internet, even though they would if they could.


3) Legal Digital Downloads of sites such as beatport, boomkat, junodownload etc. have their own part to play in all this. In a way, they cheapen the physical product and effectively damage the integrity of categories A and C also bringing about changes in hard and software (serato for example). On the other hand, they might persuade people of (2) to still go ahead and purchase the digital product for a heavily reduced price, giving the artists a possible additional income stream.

Despite being pretty ignorant regarding this subject I'd have to say that point 3 has to be wrong?

They don't cheapen the physical product because they aren't a physical product they serve to provide a legal option for those of us who don't want to download for free, what I would be interested in is how the margins for the cheaper digital product stack up against the cost of providing a physical product and whether or not the digital sale actually benefits the label? What they may also do is provide the label / artist with a longer revenue stream given that the digital product will be available long after the physical cd is out of production.

[pkay]

They don't cheapen the physical product because they aren't a physical product they serve to provide a legal option for those of us who don't want to download for free, what I would be interested in is how the margins for the cheaper digital product stack up against the cost of providing a physical product and whether or not the digital sale actually benefits the label? What they may also do is provide the label / artist with a longer revenue stream given that the digital product will be available long after the physical cd is out of production.

you mean the cost of releasing an MP3 versus a CD or 12" ? Vinyl is more expensive than CD, which is more expensive than a purely digital release

regardless of the situation most revenue sharing occurs after initial cost is recouped (pressing, distribution, paying off a visual artist, promotional costs, etc). That's the major difference... the initial cost is so much lower digitally. Also if an initial pressing sells out the cost of another pressing factors back in to that equation of revenue sharing.

The cost of the medium usually reflects this in the stores and ultimately the profit per unit generally hits the same amount

[UKdubKingdom]

im laughing at mate using a dictionary to write his messages without making valid points

[scspkr99]

you mean the cost of releasing an MP3 versus a CD or 12" ? Vinyl is more expensive than CD, which is more expensive than a purely digital release

regardless of the situation most revenue sharing occurs after initial cost is recouped (pressing, distribution, paying off a visual artist, promotional costs, etc). That's the major difference... the initial cost is so much lower digitally. Also if an initial pressing sells out the cost of another pressing factors back in to that equation of revenue sharing.

The cost of the medium usually reflects this in the stores and ultimately the profit per unit generally hits the same amount

Yeah pretty much, like the cost of flac varies but considering how much cheaper both bandwidth and digital storage is the fact that flac releases are in the main cheaper, unless using beatport who are outrageous in their WAV costs, I'd imagine the revenue to the label is pretty equivalent.

I just can't see that digital shops are a part of the problem

[pkay]

you mean the cost of releasing an MP3 versus a CD or 12" ? Vinyl is more expensive than CD, which is more expensive than a purely digital release

regardless of the situation most revenue sharing occurs after initial cost is recouped (pressing, distribution, paying off a visual artist, promotional costs, etc). That's the major difference... the initial cost is so much lower digitally. Also if an initial pressing sells out the cost of another pressing factors back in to that equation of revenue sharing.

The cost of the medium usually reflects this in the stores and ultimately the profit per unit generally hits the same amount

Yeah pretty much, like the cost of flac varies but considering how much cheaper both bandwidth and digital storage is the fact that flac releases are in the main cheaper, unless using beatport who are outrageous in their WAV costs, I'd imagine the revenue to the label is pretty equivalent.

I just can't see that digital shops are a part of the problem

Yeah digital shops aren't the problem. Labels who do both vinyl and digital love them. Usually stagger release.... vinyl out then 2-3 weeks later digital release.

The flac/wav/mp3 cost difference is something the site sets up. If I remember correctly... with the handful of labels i worked for we got almost or exactly the same amount per unit on the digital side of things regardless of medium.... it was just there for customer preference.

[pkay]

im laughing at mate using a dictionary to write his messages without making valid points

your post followed one of mine but I'm assuming you're talking about someone else?

[UKdubKingdom]

yeah the guy you were in cahoots with actually

[pkay]

yeah the guy you were in cahoots with actually

ahh word

[youthful_implants]

chasing every illegal upload of one of yours or your labels songs is fucking long.

its a waste of time IMO. better off spending your energy promoting teh singles in the first place so people who actually care about music buy them.

[UKdubKingdom]

difficult process indeed I imagine