SP:MC Bass

[Steve_French]

i dont have reason 4 installed, and screenshotting reason is just too simple, however, i followed icicles tutorial in CM for the sub bass in reason, and just changed a few things as i went along. so if you have the tutorial, or if you can find it, use it aswell, but i will upload the massive patch ( a few if i can get em done) and screen shots of reason, also an absynth 5 patch if any one wants it? i will most likely have to do these this evening, as i have my theory test and a driving lesson this afternoon.

just to let everyone know, these patches do not sound exactly like sp mc/ youngsta / lx one bass's, they are works in progress, as i have only discovered how to reproduce this sound in the last week or so. but thanks for your patience

[serox]

i dont have reason 4 installed, and screenshotting reason is just too simple, however, i followed icicles tutorial in CM for the sub bass in reason, and just changed a few things as i went along. so if you have the tutorial, or if you can find it, use it aswell, but i will upload the massive patch ( a few if i can get em done) and screen shots of reason, also an absynth 5 patch if any one wants it? i will most likely have to do these this evening, as i have my theory test and a driving lesson this afternoon.

just to let everyone know, these patches do not sound exactly like sp mc/ youngsta / lx one bass's, they are works in progress, as i have only discovered how to reproduce this sound in the last week or so. but thanks for your patience

ah you got it from a CM! cool I will look for it. I had a play last night but couldn't get it. I have an alright sound down to start with and now its down top automation to bring it alive and make it stand out!

[arktrix45hz]

i dont have reason 4 installed, and screenshotting reason is just too simple, however, i followed icicles tutorial in CM for the sub bass in reason, and just changed a few things as i went along. so if you have the tutorial, or if you can find it, use it aswell, but i will upload the massive patch ( a few if i can get em done) and screen shots of reason, also an absynth 5 patch if any one wants it? i will most likely have to do these this evening, as i have my theory test and a driving lesson this afternoon.

just to let everyone know, these patches do not sound exactly like sp mc/ youngsta / lx one bass's, they are works in progress, as i have only discovered how to reproduce this sound in the last week or so. but thanks for your patience

Absynth 5 one for me please man!

[serox]

Just seen Icicle where he goes on to explain how he makes his bass. One thing he said, is not clear to me.

Most of my bass is made in the reason Thor synth and then processed in Logic over multiple channels and buse

Could one of you help explain why he does this? why process over more than one channel/buses? does he mean he exports the bass made from reason and imports to a few channels in logic each channel with new processing? so he has two of the same bass sounds playing each with different processing?

This stuff really makes the difference I think.

[Steve_French]

reason is rewired into logic, then is split up into 2 bus's, one bus for below 100 hz and the other for anything above. essentially putting a lowpass filter on one bus, and a high pass on another. so he may process in logic, then bounce, then process again, maybe with a differnt envelope or something , and bounce again.

[serox]

reason is rewired into logic, then is split up into 2 bus's, one bus for below 100 hz and the other for anything above. essentially putting a lowpass filter on one bus, and a high pass on another. so he may process in logic, then bounce, then process again, maybe with a differnt envelope or something , and bounce again.

Yeh I get you. I never split freqs from one sound, I always layer new ones.

Does he start with one sound from one oscillator and then splits that into two? I guess you can do this by sending one sound to two different buses? somehow...

[Steve_French]

reason is rewired into logic, then is split up into 2 bus's, one bus for below 100 hz and the other for anything above. essentially putting a lowpass filter on one bus, and a high pass on another. so he may process in logic, then bounce, then process again, maybe with a differnt envelope or something , and bounce again.

Yeh I get you. I never split freqs from one sound, I always layer new ones.

Does he start with one sound from one oscillator and then splits that into two? I guess you can do this by sending one sound to two different buses? somehow...

you can split any sound into different freqs, but i think the reason why, is because some where along the chain that would be processing the sound, may be a distortion unit, you may not want it to affect the lower sub frequencies, this is why you'd split the sound, so you have a clean sub, and dirtied mid sound.

may i ask, what software you using?

EDIT: FM8 Tutorial
http://vimeo.com/10026834
very very very handy

[serox]

reason is rewired into logic, then is split up into 2 bus's, one bus for below 100 hz and the other for anything above. essentially putting a lowpass filter on one bus, and a high pass on another. so he may process in logic, then bounce, then process again, maybe with a differnt envelope or something , and bounce again.

Yeh I get you. I never split freqs from one sound, I always layer new ones.

Does he start with one sound from one oscillator and then splits that into two? I guess you can do this by sending one sound to two different buses? somehow...

you can split any sound into different freqs, but i think the reason why, is because some where along the chain that would be processing the sound, may be a distortion unit, you may not want it to affect the lower sub frequencies, this is why you'd split the sound, so you have a clean sub, and dirtied mid sound.

may i ask, what software you using?

EDIT: FM8 Tutorial
http://vimeo.com/10026834
very very very handy

Yeh I know why they do it but I was just wondering how best to go about doing it, I use FL.

[serox]

I think in FL I need to right click on the channel in the FX panel and tell it to go to X new channel and I assume this is how I could split a freq...

[Basic A]

I think in FL I need to right click on the channel in the FX panel and tell it to go to X new channel and I assume this is how I could split a freq...

To split frequencies in FL, using its native plugins only :

Send mixer track 1 to mixer tracks 2,3,4... label these 'low, mid, high'...

open the Fruity multiband compressor on each new channel, turn the original fader (track 1) down to 33% to compensate for the tripled volume level... route your bass to track 1 obviously.

At the top of each band on the multiband comp, youll see three little square buttons... one says active, one says bypassed, one says mute... now, on the channel youve labeled 'low' set the lowest band to 'bypassed' and the top two bands to 'mute', do this with your mid and your high, be careful you use 'bypass' and not 'active' or youll be compressing your sound too, and thats bad, we're just trying to use the native EQ built into the multiband plugin, as its a linear phase EQ and will sum right. Bus all 3 of these signals back to one mixer track so you manage each band + the master + the pre, simply.

Now, you should have 3 multiband compressors, each with one band on bypass and 2 bands on mute, making up 3 seperate frequency ranges for your bass sound, on 3 different faders... You can now adjust the bands on the multiband's to cover whatever rnages you want, just be sure to set them up the same on each track or youll start to get additive differences at the end...

If what i said here confuses you, Ive posted a demo project file in that midrange bass sticky you could open if you run 8.0, just do a quick search in that topic, you should find it easily... Its actually quite simple in practice, just sounds tough in text haha.

[serox]

Nice one. I will give it a go when I get home. Is this the right multiband comp to use?

I think in FL I need to right click on the channel in the FX panel and tell it to go to X new channel and I assume this is how I could split a freq...

To split frequencies in FL, using its native plugins only :

Send mixer track 1 to mixer tracks 2,3,4... label these 'low, mid, high'...

open the Fruity multiband compressor on each new channel, turn the original fader (track 1) down to 33% to compensate for the tripled volume level... route your bass to track 1 obviously.

At the top of each band on the multiband comp, youll see three little square buttons... one says active, one says bypassed, one says mute... now, on the channel youve labeled 'low' set the lowest band to 'bypassed' and the top two bands to 'mute', do this with your mid and your high, be careful you use 'bypass' and not 'active' or youll be compressing your sound too, and thats bad, we're just trying to use the native EQ built into the multiband plugin, as its a linear phase EQ and will sum right. Bus all 3 of these signals back to one mixer track so you manage each band + the master + the pre, simply.

Now, you should have 3 multiband compressors, each with one band on bypass and 2 bands on mute, making up 3 seperate frequency ranges for your bass sound, on 3 different faders... You can now adjust the bands on the multiband's to cover whatever rnages you want, just be sure to set them up the same on each track or youll start to get additive differences at the end...

If what i said here confuses you, Ive posted a demo project file in that midrange bass sticky you could open if you run 8.0, just do a quick search in that topic, you should find it easily... Its actually quite simple in practice, just sounds tough in text haha.

[Basic A]

Nice one. I will give it a go when I get home. Is this the right multiband comp to use?

It is! and if you look really close, 3 little yellow squares on top of each band are those bypassed/mute buttons, took me forever to find them lol... right now, the ones in the pic are all set to active, like I said, dont slip up, all of them to bypassed.

[serox]

Basic A: Many thanks! I got home opened it up and remembered what you said. I was expecting the volume to jump liker you said but it didn’t? the signal was just going to 3 different channels but didn’t get louder at that stage. I did not spend much time with it and went back to the Icicle vid on how he does he processes bass.

I watched the first half of this about 8 times last night. I was following what he did without having to do it for the most of the time, it made sense. But at one point while he is talking and the camera is looking at him, Icicle makes some ENV changes that are quite important for the sound! Took me a few views to work out what he had done off screen!

I think the most important thing I picked up was the fact the sound he has dry (in Thor) is something I have done a million times. But what he does in Logic with the processing is what really brings the bass patch to life!

Something he did talk about in the second part with regards to drums didn’t make 100% sense to me I don’t think. He makes his drums in Redrum (kick, snare hats etc) and then exports loop for Logic. He then says he sends the drum loop to 2 buses right? he said he will compress one of them hard and then leave the other on another bus dry. Is that correct? Then mix the compressed lower than the dry one?

[Rekah]

Something he did talk about in the second part with regards to drums didn’t make 100% sense to me I don’t think. He makes his drums in Redrum (kick, snare hats etc) and then exports loop for Logic. He then says he sends the drum loop to 2 buses right? he said he will compress one of them hard and then leave the other on another bus dry. Is that correct? Then mix the compressed lower than the dry one?

isnt that parallel compression or am i getting my terms mixed up?

[serox]

Something he did talk about in the second part with regards to drums didn’t make 100% sense to me I don’t think. He makes his drums in Redrum (kick, snare hats etc) and then exports loop for Logic. He then says he sends the drum loop to 2 buses right? he said he will compress one of them hard and then leave the other on another bus dry. Is that correct? Then mix the compressed lower than the dry one?

isnt that parallel compression or am i getting my terms mixed up?

Yep I think so. I have tried it a few times and it just sounded like a complete mess so never bothered again!

I need to make sure I am understanding how to do it correctly first.

[Basic A]

Something he did talk about in the second part with regards to drums didn’t make 100% sense to me I don’t think. He makes his drums in Redrum (kick, snare hats etc) and then exports loop for Logic. He then says he sends the drum loop to 2 buses right? he said he will compress one of them hard and then leave the other on another bus dry. Is that correct? Then mix the compressed lower than the dry one?

isnt that parallel compression or am i getting my terms mixed up?

Yep I think so. I have tried it a few times and it just sounded like a complete mess so never bothered again!

I need to make sure I am understanding how to do it correctly first.

You ever upgrade to FL9? before they fixed the plugin delay compensation that was essentially impossible to do and hear at the same time, because it couldnt process the delay for live monitoring, just exports. In 9.0 and later, its fixed (generally fixed) for live monitoring.

[serox]

Something he did talk about in the second part with regards to drums didn’t make 100% sense to me I don’t think. He makes his drums in Redrum (kick, snare hats etc) and then exports loop for Logic. He then says he sends the drum loop to 2 buses right? he said he will compress one of them hard and then leave the other on another bus dry. Is that correct? Then mix the compressed lower than the dry one?

isnt that parallel compression or am i getting my terms mixed up?

Yep I think so. I have tried it a few times and it just sounded like a complete mess so never bothered again!

I need to make sure I am understanding how to do it correctly first.

You ever upgrade to FL9? before they fixed the plugin delay compensation that was essentially impossible to do and hear at the same time, because it couldnt process the delay for live monitoring, just exports. In 9.0 and later, its fixed (generally fixed) for live monitoring.

what plugin delay compensation? impossible top hear what?

[jpattison]

This thread needs a resurrection seeing as how I would also love to make this bass in Massive

[Steve_French]

This thread needs a resurrection seeing as how I would also love to make this bass in Massive

start with a sine wave on osc 1. turn on phase modulation on the mod osc, raise the pitch on this part by 12 (click and drag the '0.00' upwards). get an LFO and drag on to the phase mod knob, then make sure the knob is at the zero postion, drag the lfo amount up till its at about 8oclock, then drag the the knob untill it sounds good. the lower the amount, the better usually. also, it may sound odd like this, but its up to you to change it how you see fit. adding a chorus helps the sound, but be aware that you should NOT use this as a 'bass' synth if you add a chorus, or other stereo effects (due to phasing and cancelation of the lower frequencies). you will need to cut the sub frequencies from this synth and add them with another synth.