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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by hugh » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:52 pm

the reason why this theory is utter bullshit to me is the solipsistic view of life that we as humans have. we cannot fathom that there are beings that can survive and thrive in conditions that we humans can't. there might be aliens out there made of pure light who breathe ammonia and shit AIDS .

Obviously beings can survive in conditions humans can't. They are mostly single-celled organisms however. I think you need to have a much stronger understanding of chemistry, biology and physics if you want to make statements like that.
There are so many reasons "breathing ammonia" for example is just plain ridiculous.
The only thing along the lines of this theory that suggests it could be possible is that scientists have discovered alien microbes that have a ribose based backbone that opts for using Arsenate instead of Phosphate groups. They are in the same period however so it's not as wild as "breathing ammonia and shitting aids".
I get everyone trying to say "oh well there may be some unfathomable way that they can exist". Get real. The only life we have ever seen (and yes, it is all based on the same planet, however, conditions vary wildly from inside a volcano to under a sheet of ice, where the gaseous content is massively different) all runs on the same ideas - it all comes down to hydrogen diffusion being responsible for the movement of molecules
For example, let's say we are trying to replace Carbon with the next most reasonable molecule - Silicon. Both are in the same period with the same bond order. However, Silicon is simply gigantic compared to carbon. We could not pack DNA through protein bound histones due to the massive size of these molecules. So let's say these other beings are really large - they need some kind of support system. Silicon is not adept for basing proteins due to again the stereo effect of being too large, and also it's inability to both transfer (exhume) heat and create a rigid structure.
I hope you can start to get a glimpse of how it is really quite outrageous to say "there's no reason they can't be like this" when evidence so far accrued suggests life forms all run on the same basis. There's so far, no reason to suggest otherwise. The burden of proof is entirely upon the claimant in this instant.
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by lloydnoise » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:36 pm

christophera wrote:i believe it cuz they hit me up
big claim man
please elaborate (i am assuming this was purely 'psychic');

A - Beings communicated with you WHEN YOU WERE SOBER
B - Beings communicated with you when your mind was in a more receptive state (meditating, on droogs etc)
C - Your internal dialogue created/manifested/tuned into beings that communicated with you but as the entire Universe is ONE it could be considered an alien or some other such 'external voice' that you felt was not yours
D - A or B but instead you felt something that could not be described as tangible audible or even mental communication in any way
E - Other (please state)

geniunely interested in your reply

Also wtf happened with the Paul Hellyer thing and then the USAF guys?? Regardless of the truth behind it, pretty overly dumb for the world to forget such substatiated, (seemingly) reliable claims..


Also, bigman hugh ^^ :o
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Post by hugh » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:43 pm

don't bother addressing him he never gives a straight answer.
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Post by lloydnoise » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:50 pm

hugh wrote:don't bother addressing him he never gives a straight answer.
that's why I gave him multiple choice :lol:

after 2 years of asking him to go into more detail he once actually explained why he felt he had heightened 'psychic' abilities.
It was actually an interesting answer as he's an articulate and interesting guy but no-one gives a fuck about the selfmade sage who speaks in riddles, quotes and soundbites
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by deamonds » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:54 pm

lloydnoise wrote:bigman hugh

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Post by gwa » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:59 pm

hugh wrote:
the reason why this theory is utter bullshit to me is the solipsistic view of life that we as humans have. we cannot fathom that there are beings that can survive and thrive in conditions that we humans can't. there might be aliens out there made of pure light who breathe ammonia and shit AIDS .

Obviously beings can survive in conditions humans can't. They are mostly single-celled organisms however. I think you need to have a much stronger understanding of chemistry, biology and physics if you want to make statements like that.
There are so many reasons "breathing ammonia" for example is just plain ridiculous.
The only thing along the lines of this theory that suggests it could be possible is that scientists have discovered alien microbes that have a ribose based backbone that opts for using Arsenate instead of Phosphate groups. They are in the same period however so it's not as wild as "breathing ammonia and shitting aids".
I get everyone trying to say "oh well there may be some unfathomable way that they can exist". Get real. The only life we have ever seen (and yes, it is all based on the same planet, however, conditions vary wildly from inside a volcano to under a sheet of ice, where the gaseous content is massively different) all runs on the same ideas - it all comes down to hydrogen diffusion being responsible for the movement of molecules
For example, let's say we are trying to replace Carbon with the next most reasonable molecule - Silicon. Both are in the same period with the same bond order. However, Silicon is simply gigantic compared to carbon. We could not pack DNA through protein bound histones due to the massive size of these molecules. So let's say these other beings are really large - they need some kind of support system. Silicon is not adept for basing proteins due to again the stereo effect of being too large, and also it's inability to both transfer (exhume) heat and create a rigid structure.
I hope you can start to get a glimpse of how it is really quite outrageous to say "there's no reason they can't be like this" when evidence so far accrued suggests life forms all run on the same basis. There's so far, no reason to suggest otherwise. The burden of proof is entirely upon the claimant in this instant.

please can you regurgitate some more gcse science please k thnx bye

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Post by gwa » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:05 pm

what about other universes and dimensions, do you think that applies there as well?
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by bhackman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:15 pm

tbh fuck it. reptilians has just been an idea i've always been playing around with because i'm bored.

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Post by DRTY » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:17 pm

bhackman wrote:tbh fuck it. reptilians has just been an idea i've always been playing around with because i'm bored.

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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by bhackman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:18 pm

no man, i'm just fed up of trolling these foools

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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by Genevieve » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:19 pm

gwa wrote:
hugh wrote:
the reason why this theory is utter bullshit to me is the solipsistic view of life that we as humans have. we cannot fathom that there are beings that can survive and thrive in conditions that we humans can't. there might be aliens out there made of pure light who breathe ammonia and shit AIDS .

Obviously beings can survive in conditions humans can't. They are mostly single-celled organisms however. I think you need to have a much stronger understanding of chemistry, biology and physics if you want to make statements like that.
There are so many reasons "breathing ammonia" for example is just plain ridiculous.
The only thing along the lines of this theory that suggests it could be possible is that scientists have discovered alien microbes that have a ribose based backbone that opts for using Arsenate instead of Phosphate groups. They are in the same period however so it's not as wild as "breathing ammonia and shitting aids".
I get everyone trying to say "oh well there may be some unfathomable way that they can exist". Get real. The only life we have ever seen (and yes, it is all based on the same planet, however, conditions vary wildly from inside a volcano to under a sheet of ice, where the gaseous content is massively different) all runs on the same ideas - it all comes down to hydrogen diffusion being responsible for the movement of molecules
For example, let's say we are trying to replace Carbon with the next most reasonable molecule - Silicon. Both are in the same period with the same bond order. However, Silicon is simply gigantic compared to carbon. We could not pack DNA through protein bound histones due to the massive size of these molecules. So let's say these other beings are really large - they need some kind of support system. Silicon is not adept for basing proteins due to again the stereo effect of being too large, and also it's inability to both transfer (exhume) heat and create a rigid structure.
I hope you can start to get a glimpse of how it is really quite outrageous to say "there's no reason they can't be like this" when evidence so far accrued suggests life forms all run on the same basis. There's so far, no reason to suggest otherwise. The burden of proof is entirely upon the claimant in this instant.

please can you regurgitate some more gcse science please k thnx bye

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You think there is a place in the universe where carbon is huge and silicon is small?
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by bhackman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:20 pm

don't listen to gwa he knows nothing

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Post by gwa » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:21 pm

yeah maybe? how do you know it's not possible? it's so big, there might be forces unknown to us anywhere? i'm sure there is an alternate dimension where carbon is huge and silicon is small
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Post by gwa » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:21 pm

sneaking suspicion that isn't hackman
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by nowaysj » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:23 pm

lloydnoise wrote:
hugh wrote:don't bother addressing him he never gives a straight answer.
that's why I gave him multiple choice :lol:
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Post by nowaysj » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:23 pm

gwa wrote:sneaking suspicion that isn't hackman
Sneaking suspicion that isn't gwa.
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by bhackman » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:25 pm

what?

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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by Genevieve » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:37 pm

gwa wrote:yeah maybe? how do you know it's not possible?
Well, every carbon molecule has the same mass, basically.

If it suddenly has more mass, it has different atomic composition and it stops being, let's say, carbon.

It's a bit like saying that there's an island somewhere where plants are animals and animals are plants.

One thing I disagree with in his post is the supposed requirement for DNA. But that's a different story.

I don't know. What I'm trying to say is... understand the science before you criticize it.
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Post by gwa » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:45 pm

yeah but that's on earth in this portion of the universe

you cannot tell me with 100 percent certainty that it applies to the whole universe/other universes/dimensiosn etc

what i'm trying to say is, don't assume the science they teach you in school applies to the whole of existence
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Re: cool ufo stuff

Post by gwa » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:47 pm

and anyway
you could hypothetically have a huge carbon molecule without increasing the atomic mass
just that it's made up of huge protons/neutrons/electrons

so it would still be carbon
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