Future garage and now future jungle?!

[craig]

"future jungle" makes me think of amens and atmos pads but with modern production techniques/standards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzHltR1_zIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouvcvj6KhP4

throw back style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIgYA_jZZNw

proper edits. i find the 140bpm amen stuff annoying tbh, not because they're bad tunes, but they just make me want to bugger off and run an amen through a slicer

[human?]

my immediate feeling is "future" seems to mean white people feel safe making it again....

still wanna know why they edited "cracker" out of that dead prez hiphop remix

[mulder]

So I was very surprised to find that now there is a subgenre (damn them subgenres lol!) called Future Jungle and I just thought I'd start a post to see what people think of it?!

It's called lots of things, but it's not new. Back in 99/2000 the BACK TO THE OLDSKOOL forum (aka B2VOS) members started making 'new oldskool', ie new Hardcore rave tunes with breakbeats and basslines and stabs and pianos... Some of them were also making the more 1993 style darker sound too. Years rolls on and by 2007 'Hardcore Breaks' as it had become known had it's own online shops where you could buy vinyl, Nu-Urban were interested in distributing it and there were other 'genres' like Slipmatt's 'Rave Breaks' (not great in my opinion, Hardcore / Electro based breaks remixes of old tunes and the odd original track, but worth a mention) and then there was 'J-Tek' which had Randall and Digital backing it and is still a buzz word used to describe the more dark / jungly stuff. Things got messy when the NME tried to reinvent rave as 'Nu-Rave', so some bright spark decided to use this tag for these three little pockets of music and start NU-RAVE.COM

Then Skream comes along with 'Burning Up' and that La-Roux thing in 2009, and all of a sudden there's this "new" cross between Dubstep and Rave / Junlge which had actually already been done on the Hardcore Breaks / J-Tek scene in 2007. Various Dubstep producers, Clipz, Sub Focus, Danny Byrd all make tunes in the same vein, and now Fresh has dubbed it 'Future Jungle' with this EP release and his remixes (Katy B etc). It's nothing new though, nothing 'future' about it as it's about nostalgia. It wasn't new when B2VOS were doing it, it's just a revival of the old tempos and breaks and sounds that we loved growing up.

I quite like what Fresh has done, and the Sub Focus, Clipz and Danny Byrd tunes. But then, I'm from DnB, not Dubstep. The Dubstep stuff hasn't made me quite as excited. However, I wish somebody would acknowledge that this isn't a new wave of anything and that it's not even a new revival, it's been going on for over 10 years now!

[INSa 241]

been making jungle-influenced breaks for a while now...was calling it Jungle Breaks as a bit of a 'Ronseal does what it says on the tin' label hehe but recently ppl in the breaks scene -Rennie Pilgrem, Rack n Ruin, Jay Cunning, Afghan Headspin etc have been calling it 140 Jungle

theres been quite a few mixes on souncloud with 140 jungle as a tag
http://soundcloud.com/warrior-one/ub140 ... dj-mix-feb

heres one of mine (more on my page)

http://soundcloud.com/insa-241/nothing-i-can-do

but as for how 'jungle' it all is im not sure tbh alot of it is just amens with a dubstep lead (nothing wrong in that btw) or very trancey with an amen tacked on lol
personally i call mine jungle Breaks because it uses a heavy sub instead of midrange bass and has stripped back chopped drums and bass only sections plus the pads sound kinda jungly but as a 'real jungle' fan i can see why jungle heads wouldnt really be feeling it when its that slow...its a diff thing entirely...fits nicely with dubstep tho

[damage inc.]

Mulder has hit the nail on it exactly
'personally' I think the Fresh EP/tracks are quality and are excellantly produced
The Skream tracks that are similar in style sound a bit amatuerish in comparison
Mulder himself has made excellant tracks which fuse breaks with Dubstep style patterns and bass
question:when artists like Magnetic Man/Doorly/Doctor P/Skream etc start using breakbeats doesnt the track then become something else,not Dubstep?
In a track like Sweet Shop for example,when the breakbeats and pianos stop it sounds like the track grinds to a halt
The Friction,Camo & Krooked remix sounds superb tho
Caspa's remix of 'Where's my money' sounds great but as tho it's missing a beat which Jack Beats purposly then fixed
also the 'Where's my Monkey' skank sounds great too
but it's all good,great musics great music which is why I listen to,play and make many genres
and im all for mixing Dubstep (I dont mind a little half time break down) with Fidget,Hardcore Breaks,Bassline House,DnB,Donk,wotever so long as it's kicking

[whittz]

back to the future business all over the show atm

[lami]

if anyones heard his remix if Together by Herve (original is a TUNE), is anyone else lost as to why he's thrown in the most horrible dubtep wobbelz? the tracks actually quite nice, on a similar tip to the Could This Be Real VIP (the DnB one) and then he just...puts in this horrible dubstep and ruins it.

[Atac]

I'm into it. Apparently the guys at Hospital are calling Netskty's sound "melodic future jungle".

Netsky hasn't really disappointed me yet (few exceptions) so it sounds good to me haha

[fluff]

It's called lots of things, but it's not new. Back in 99/2000 the BACK TO THE OLDSKOOL forum (aka B2VOS) members started making 'new oldskool', ie new Hardcore rave tunes with breakbeats and basslines and stabs and pianos... Some of them were also making the more 1993 style darker sound too. Years rolls on and by 2007 'Hardcore Breaks' as it had become known had it's own online shops where you could buy vinyl, Nu-Urban were interested in distributing it and there were other 'genres' like Slipmatt's 'Rave Breaks' (not great in my opinion, Hardcore / Electro based breaks remixes of old tunes and the odd original track, but worth a mention) and then there was 'J-Tek' which had Randall and Digital backing it and is still a buzz word used to describe the more dark / jungly stuff. Things got messy when the NME tried to reinvent rave as 'Nu-Rave', so some bright spark decided to use this tag for these three little pockets of music and start NU-RAVE.COM

Then Skream comes along with 'Burning Up' and that La-Roux thing in 2009, and all of a sudden there's this "new" cross between Dubstep and Rave / Junlge which had actually already been done on the Hardcore Breaks / J-Tek scene in 2007. Various Dubstep producers, Clipz, Sub Focus, Danny Byrd all make tunes in the same vein, and now Fresh has dubbed it 'Future Jungle' with this EP release and his remixes (Katy B etc). It's nothing new though, nothing 'future' about it as it's about nostalgia. It wasn't new when B2VOS were doing it, it's just a revival of the old tempos and breaks and sounds that we loved growing up.

I quite like what Fresh has done, and the Sub Focus, Clipz and Danny Byrd tunes. But then, I'm from DnB, not Dubstep. The Dubstep stuff hasn't made me quite as excited. However, I wish somebody would acknowledge that this isn't a new wave of anything and that it's not even a new revival, it's been going on for over 10 years now!

[dro524]

I saw "Future Jungle" in the thread titled and immediately though of Paradox, Alaska, Seba, Macc, and dgoHn.

[TopDrawerDigital]

I'm not a fan of pigeon holes and started our label with the idea that we were gonna take no notice of what genre a track was , if it fits our general vibe then alls good. We tied ourself down slightly by mainly limiting releases to be between 140-150bpm but apart from that we'll consider most Bass music.

The problem is , when a track has no specific genre , how do you let the people into this style know about it and where do you put it in the stores for sale.

I'm dealing with Dubstep , J-tek , Breaks , 140 Jungle ,Jungle Breaks ,Nu-rave,Hardcore Breaks,Breakstep,Nu Jungle,Future Jungle , UK funky ............and I'm sure the list goes on and on.

So if its not a Purists version of Drum and Bass / Jungle, Breakbeat or Dubstep , how exactly am I ment to market it and what section should it go in in the shops?

The people who are putting out these new phrases ie. Future Jungle ect. Are not claiming to have re invented the wheel , they're just trying to give some sort of insight into the sound the're trying to push.

So although I started out really anti-genre, ironically I'm actually seeing the need for them now.

If any of the haters have a better plan please let me know because I've been searching for it myself.

Nice one
Lucas
Top Drawer Digital

[mulder]

I saw "Future Jungle" in the thread titled and immediately though of Paradox, Alaska, Seba, Macc, and dgoHn.

I'd call that 'Nostalgia for the so called intelligent period / style of the 90s' Jungle. Nothing futuristic about it.

[mulder]

What section should it go in in the shops?

The people who are putting out these new phrases ie. Future Jungle ect. Are not claiming to have re invented the wheel , they're just trying to give some sort of insight into the sound the're trying to push.

So although I started out really anti-genre, ironically I'm actually seeing the need for them now.

If any of the haters have a better plan please let me know because I've been searching for it myself.

That's just it though, too many people are calling it too many things, and Future Jungle is just another one in the long line. You've got to embrace them all and in the process end up looking like a bandwagon jumper because nobody heard of you until you started to change the way you marketed the music you've been doing for how ever many years previous.

It's a pain in the ass 'cause we've spent years calling it 'Hardcore Breaks', 'J-Tek', 'Nu-Rave', and all of a sudden the decision to do that has been taken from our hands by people calling it '140 Jungle', 'Jungle Breaks', 'Future Jungle' etc.. I spent ages re-tagging things in Soundcloud and on YouTube last night. More to do today, and I'll probably have to do more of it in the not to distant future when somebody else decides to give it ANOTHER identity!

[TopDrawerDigital]

I totally agree with you Mulder and within the Nu-rave scene it is not an issue and should retain what its getting labelled as.
But outside the Nu-rave scene people simply don't know this music exists , so if we want to push it out there , pain in the ass though it is , were gonna have to label it up as what the masses are currently calling it.
I don't like it and I'm relatively new to the scene so I imagine it really winds up the people who've been pushing it for years but what choice do we really have?

[oddfellow]

Soundcloud

[human?]

but..... if 1992 Jungle was more futuristic than future jungle what are we to believe?

how can you out-future the future??????

thanks anyways ram, ill draw for sound control or cool down




*edit*
fwiw, Terry T brought you the future, and hasnt stopped ever since......

[lkd]

I was under the impression that people are calling it future jungle because they were scared of just calling it Jungle and then being flamed by the '92 heads.

[human?]

I was under the impression that people are calling it future jungle because they were scared of just calling it Jungle and then being flamed by the '92 heads.

i dunno, maybe if some true heads from bitd step up and explain why it STOPPED being called JUNGLE we could get some insight into whats going on.....


real heads know what happened....

[damage inc.]

The DJ Fresh mix of Herve's Together is outstanding,tho agreed I could do without the Dubstep midsection!
retagging is a pain in the arse an Mulder's got it sussed (maybe having to rename em again in 6 months)
I think the Future Jungle tag may well take tho because Jungle is popular,
and THE main difference is DJ Fresh & Ram Records are both credible A listers
not has beens or wannabe's,this could make a massive difference,
infact Mulder,you're an Urban Takeover guy in your own right,
you having tagged your tracks the same as Fresh's and any others that do the same would only strengthen that
I'd say the 'Future's (didnt mean a pun!) bright with Rave creeping into it seems every genre!

[Majin]

I think he kinda just did D&B, threw a bunch of old-school samples in and wrote it between 140-160 bpm. I love these tracks, the mix on 'em is LOUD.