This sound?! (No, not Skrillex)

[KonAtA-LS]

This sound is used by deadmau5, wolfgang gartner, spencer&hill, and just about anyone who has a studio..
I just can't seem to understand what it comes from. What confuses me are the top right&bottom left... But what's even more mind-blasting are the fuzzy (center top & middle, Porter Robinson) ones.

I then heard this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmBwNnMqhGo
And at some point they have a synth that resembles (middle right)
So it turns out I need analogue equipment for this... too bad they have a $4000 Open Labs Meko - Timbaland Edition thing that I can't afford.

So I read some interviews and saw that Deadmau5, Feed Me, Wolfgang & Felguk (not sure about the latter) all have a ((mini)moog) little phatty, and perhaps a voyager.

SO
Is that the only way I can make that really phat, standing-out sound that is a staple in every producer's soundbank (for hard electro/dubstep)? Buying a $5000 analogue synth?
(I'm not saying that deadmau5 for example does hard electro.. I'm just saying he's equipped with the synth)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31oCSFdeQps -> 1:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEDXYa9qk9w -> 1:00, first song I discovered with this... sound.

Also uses the same style synth, it's just smothered with billions of midrange saturation plugins/presets of plugins/whatever

I really need help on this! None of my vst's can make any waveform anywhere near as freaking awesome as this ... thing.
I've been constantly doing craploads of research since I found this site and I'm still puzzled.

Oh right, first post. (Just noticed I haven't put in a single smiley)
Hi macc! Thanks for your topic about mastering. I was always puzzled as to why every track was so loud and mine wasn't anywhere near as good when I "loudened" it.
I've been lurking here for a couple' months reading the (producer's) bible and all. It's really helped me in my hard electro/dubstep understanding. And how to make wobbles (yes, I found the site by googling "Skrillex Bass How To", but only because I was looking for this sound !!).


I appreciate any replies and will be most (VERY) thankful to whoever clarifies this for me!

[RandoRando]

It honestly sounds like a sawtooth wave with distortion on it and some low end boost eqing. I could make a similiar sound in albino so no you don't need a 20000 dollar modular synth to make that sound. Open up a subtractive synthesizer and mess with sawtooths

[KonAtA-LS]

It's not. (I'm pretty sure). Maybe the one on the center-right (that's unintentionally) highlighted is... but the one in the center-mid/center-top...
I can post another pic though to "prove" it's not a saw... (the one that looks like a kick with a sin wave layered under it)
Check this. I doubt it's a saw? Because this is one cycle and it's not at a C7

[RandoRando]

Maybe a sine with a pulse wave? Albino has gritty sounding spectral waves that look kind of similar to that

[KonAtA-LS]

I'm sure it's nothing a regular synth can do. I've tried almost everything with my damn VSTs and I just can't get it.

[RandoRando]

I'm sure it's possible, I've made a similar sound in nexus and just go crazy w a pitch bend, do u have albino? I can Try to make it in there and send you the prest

[KonAtA-LS]

I have albino, nexus, massive, any good/known VST
I analyse every wave I come across, and I'm telling you nothing you can make on these synths resembles (even the slightest bit) these waveforms.

[Basic A]

Take that wavecycle you have highlighted in picture, save as .wav, load into atlantis, bam. lmfao.

[KonAtA-LS]

I don't want to rip sounds. I want to make them myself to have more versatility
I would have done that ages ago if I wanted to steal

[Blastfome]

I'm pretty sure this is possible with out all that fancy equipment. Not saying he was telling the truth, but I rememebr reading a Porter Robinson interview where he said he uses the FL studio 3xOsc for pretty much all of his wobble/synth sounds. lol. Try harder my friend...

[jrisreal]

Take that wavecycle you have highlighted in picture, save as .wav, load into atlantis, bam. lmfao.

wait. you can load custom waveforms in atlantis? Howcome it doesnt work for me?!

[KonAtA-LS]

I use 3xOsc..
Any ideas still? no? anyone? This kind of waveform seems to be in every well produced song out there.

[CBK81]

Saw wave with a ramp down env on the pitch. That's what the synth is in the video when the beat drops. Not sure if that's the sound you are talking about or not tho. Sounds like the synth from that old satisfaction tune.

[KonAtA-LS]

Ramp down env?

[[Lg]]

Ramp down env?

I
believe he's referring to an envelope modulating the pitch down er sumthing

But check it out, obviously you're not gonna be able to perfectly reproduce the warm harmonics and overtones that you like so much about these analog synths. But you definitely can come pretty close, and close enough that the majority of ur audience won't notice or give a fuck. Go out and get urself a bunch of free trials on some different soft synths and see which one you think sounds best. Then mess around with different effects, eq, compression etc blah blah blah it's all been said before just go out and do it

[CBK81]

Yes an envelope modulating the pitch so that it ramps downward.

[-[2]DAY_-]

Go out and get urself a bunch of free trials on some different soft synths

I have albino, nexus, massive, any good/known VST

seems the OP's got their own methods :/

and..

I analyse every wave I come across, and I'm telling you nothing you can make on these synths resembles (even the slightest bit) these waveforms.

billions of midrange saturation plugins/presets of plugins/whatever

$4000 Open Labs Meko - Timbaland Edition thing that I can't afford....

and saw that Deadmau5, Feed Me, Wolfgang & Felguk (not sure about the latter) all have a ((mini)moog) little phatty, and perhaps a voyager.

DUDE!

chill the fuck out and make some tunes. uv cracked some mighty synths, stop analyzing every single waveform you come across and make some music. just my $.02 on the matter.
people don't decide what tracks they like based on waveform jpegs.

worryin about all the wrong shit

. (Just noticed I haven't put in a single smiley)

case in point

[zerbaman]

[KonAtA-LS]

-[2]DAY_-
I've been writing music for 5 years (so no I haven't "cracked some mighty synths"). This is the one thing confusing me
I know a lot of "secrets" (every single instrument/FX/sample in ghosts n stuff, for example, I found by ear in my sample library and by reading some interviews (that's the most obvious part.. but..), except the hatloop (which is still to this day the best percussion loop/sequence/whatever I've ever heard) and the synth that has the characteristics of this that I'm asking that he uses as his bass/lead beeping thing)

But I don't know just a bit.. which I need analogue equipment to discover. This is why I've decided I'm going to buy a minimoog with whatever money I have left atm and start spamming creativity as soon as I've finished with my acedemic year

This waveform and making my kicks sound good on my basement sound system (I'm working on the punch) are the only things I seem to have to work on.
And of course actually finishing a damn song (I've been advancing so much technically over the past year that I haven't written a single song, completely, mostly because I'm such a perfectionnist)


But thanks for the tips

I'm betting I'll wait at least another year after buying my moog (:D) before releasing my first EP which will be perfect!

[Kodachrome]

-[2]DAY_-
I've been writing music for 5 years (so no I haven't "cracked some mighty synths"). This is the one thing confusing me
I know a lot of "secrets" (every single instrument/FX/sample in ghosts n stuff, for example, I found by ear in my sample library and by reading some interviews (that's the most obvious part.. but..), except the hatloop (which is still to this day the best percussion loop/sequence/whatever I've ever heard) and the synth that has the characteristics of this that I'm asking that he uses as his bass/lead beeping thing)

But I don't know just a bit.. which I need analogue equipment to discover. This is why I've decided I'm going to buy a minimoog with whatever money I have left atm and start spamming creativity as soon as I've finished with my acedemic year

This waveform and making my kicks sound good on my basement sound system (I'm working on the punch) are the only things I seem to have to work on.
And of course actually finishing a damn song (I've been advancing so much technically over the past year that I haven't written a single song, completely, mostly because I'm such a perfectionnist)


But thanks for the tips

I'm betting I'll wait at least another year after buying my moog (:D) before releasing my first EP which will be perfect!

You've set the bar mate, if your first tune isn't a banger we're gonna run you out of these parts real quick.