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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by test_recordings » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:13 pm

pkay wrote:
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Badman Juice wrote:you think you can divorce yourself from your country's crimes
Despite our countries 'crimes' we don't hold a candle to most every European countries 'crimes' if we're gonna get real.
And yet your country is the most hated on earth. How is that fair?

I dunno, why is Manchester the most loved and hated football team on the planet?
Because they're the most commercialised team on the planet. No-one from Manchester support 'United, they all support 'City! I had to live with two United supporters last year and they were both pretty indignant at any suggestion that they were too serious about football. They were from the Manchester area round abouts but not the city, hence supporting United and so not 'real' Manchester fans.

To the main theme of the thread: funny how America is actual 10x more democratic than the UK but is has a lot more fucked social problems. Therefore, why does a democratic system produce such deep inequality that is the cause of most problems in society?
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by noam » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:19 pm

@ Danrev: yeah just after the burger king/blockbuster i know that area kind of got mates living around those parts, yeh defo watch ya shit round there man, trust me no top windows left open or whatever when you go out!

i've been in the shop down the road from my mates in Withington before and all these little bandits were in there pretendin to buy beer, and there were two outside, one on a bike with a step ladder, bold as anything pretty much tellin the world their plans to go n rob off houses!! cheeky stnuc

@ Test: im from manchester, i support United. as are nearly all my mates!! (actually my two best mates with season tickets were born in london and norwich but have both lived in manchester for pretty much all their lives so we can let em off)

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by pkay » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:44 pm

noam wrote:twice over 30 years (give or take) really isn't that bad

in my lifetime between 3houses i've been in the house 3 times during break-ins, one resulted in me being stomped thhe fuck out in my bathroom, and the house has been empty during a break in once, my garage and shed have been broken into about 5-6 separate times

i understand where you're coming from but do you see why maybe we'd say you're a little paranoid?? two attempted burglaries is nothin man

that said, i dont know your circumstances, you might live or have lived in an affluent area where burglaries aren't common place or you might have exceedingly good security or you might have just been lucky

either way, all this talk of doped up, rampaging, murdering, raping burglars is a bit OTT dont you think, especially as its not exactly been an every day occurrence in your life? maybe some other shit's happened that makes you think like that?? maybe the news over there tends to exaggerate and also pay an abundant amount of attention on these sorts of issues?? maybe its a combination of the both...
lol i grew up in the hood man. my concerns as a child had nothing to do with the media. It had to do with knowing people who were murdered, knowing people who were raped, and seeing tons of junkies stealing aynthing that isn't bolted down.

I wouldn't consider having been robbed and coming face to face with your robbers twice in your lifetime, fortunate in any manner..... but anywho breakins in the hood generally dont happen because we generally didnt have much to steal. Also robbers are fairly aware how common guns are and don't find it a very good idea to steal from the area you live in. Thieves generally go to the suburbs to get shit


But anywho.... let's say you lived with your girlfriend or had a child in the house.... having been stomped out as you say would you not do anything in your power to insure that does not happen to your wife/gf, or child?
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:52 pm

noam wrote:twice over 30 years (give or take) really isn't that bad

in my lifetime between 3houses i've been in the house 3 times during break-ins, one resulted in me being stomped thhe fuck out in my bathroom, and the house has been empty during a break in once, my garage and shed have been broken into about 5-6 separate times

i understand where you're coming from but do you see why maybe we'd say you're a little paranoid?? two attempted burglaries is nothin man

that said, i dont know your circumstances, you might live or have lived in an affluent area where burglaries aren't common place or you might have exceedingly good security or you might have just been lucky

either way, all this talk of doped up, rampaging, murdering, raping burglars is a bit OTT dont you think, especially as its not exactly been an every day occurrence in your life? maybe some other shit's happened that makes you think like that?? maybe the news over there tends to exaggerate and also pay an abundant amount of attention on these sorts of issues?? maybe its a combination of the both...
:lol: This is like an argument for gun ownership. :lol:

It is clear that your police can't protect you, your society is so shit that people are apparently constantly breaking into your houses to steal and beat the shit out of you, and you just shrug your shoulders and say, "its just the way life is..."

I mean, I don't really see that much of a divide between our cultures, beyond playful ribbing for sport, but maybe there is something to it. Your point of view really sounds to me like you are passive and weak.
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by dubmatters » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:37 pm

If you go and beat the fuck out of a burglar. Your the one who ends up in trouble. People know this so aren't so quick to get stuck in as it were.

Passive and weak lol.
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Post by clifford_- » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:39 pm

i cant be bothered. i swear down most americans would have an arguement with themselves if you left em ina room long enuf.
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by pkay » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:46 pm

dubmatters wrote:If you go and beat the fuck out of a burglar. Your the one who ends up in trouble. People know this so aren't so quick to get stuck in as it were.

Passive and weak lol.
not in the states. unlawful entry is justified self defense

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Post by pkay » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:48 pm

clifford_- wrote:i cant be bothered. i swear down most americans would have an arguement with themselves if you left em ina room long enuf.
the last person to address you personally in this thread was from newcastle and said you sound like a tit.... not an american

quit bein mad bro
capo ultra wrote:massively hypocritical for anyone from UK to tell US guys what is right or wrong in this situation, in a land where guns are everywhere and someone breaks into my home, I would hope I have the guts to fuck them up with a baseball bat or something at least

I'm not about to stop them and ask if they only want possessions or my life, i don't see how this is so hard to comprehend??
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clifford_- wrote:because its another human life you doughnut.
So the fuck what? You should be compassionate towards someone who'd likely kill you and/or whoever you live with if it meant they could get away?

Just the fact that they'd even break into a house is proof enough that they have no respect for people or their lives.
your ridiculous. just cos you dont give a shit about someone elses life, dont mean we all like that. :roll:
sorry but you sound like a tit, I'd like to see someone try and fuck up your life in an unimaginable way and you turn the cheek and say 'I respect your life so I won't retaliate'

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by seckle » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:49 pm

Badman Juice wrote:
pkay wrote:
Badman Juice wrote:you think you can divorce yourself from your country's crimes
Despite our countries 'crimes' we don't hold a candle to most every European countries 'crimes' if we're gonna get real.
at least their countries didn't proclaim themselves as ultra moral beacons of freedom and democracy.

american arrogance across the political spectrum is sickening.
just stop, because you don't want to go century by century in a "moral beacons of freedom and democracy" sort of vein regarding the British Empire. your country's modern and ancient history is no fucking example of anything moral or just...whatsoever. where do you want to start? the crusades? scotland? egypt? palestine? india? ireland? jamaica? barbados? let me know.

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:04 pm

Lets just count up the genocides as a result of hastily drawn up national boundaries for colonial purposes? :lol:
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Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:06 pm

I meant that ^ only as a joke, lets not actually.
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by noam » Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:49 pm

pkay wrote: But anywho.... let's say you lived with your girlfriend or had a child in the house.... having been stomped out as you say would you not do anything in your power to insure that does not happen to your wife/gf, or child?
i was with my [kinda] girlfriend at the time, we were caught off guard...

but yeh, i woulda done pretty much anything, of course, dumb question

again, thats not what im talking about, as i've said, over and over, self defence is completely justified, i tried to defend myself, but there were 2 much older guys and one kid, not much i could do

its the mentality of 'shoot first ask later' that say svpreme was demonstrating, that marauding bravado which more often than not ends in tears for everyone

in that situation, they used a crowbar to do my front door, everyone else in the house locked themselves in their room (wise move except that...) we didnt hear a fucking thing so next thing i know the bathroom door is open, some kid with a bally on goes 'thats him' and 2 masked/hooded men run in and start layin into me, all i could do was try n hold em off and get the girl out of the way

say i'd heard em, and picked something up, and ran downstairs to catch them with a crowbar trying to do my door, and gone for them, what are the most likely results?? yeh i might have got one of em with one shot, likelihood is though that i get clocked aswell, then overpowered, then smashed in with a crowbar/whatever i was carrying - im not fucking superman!
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:lol: This is like an argument for gun ownership. :lol:

It is clear that your police can't protect you, your society is so shit that people are apparently constantly breaking into your houses to steal and beat the shit out of you, and you just shrug your shoulders and say, "its just the way life is..."

I mean, I don't really see that much of a divide between our cultures, beyond playful ribbing for sport, but maybe there is something to it. Your point of view really sounds to me like you are passive and weak.
not passive and weak, smart mate

im not an idiot, i know people who are really not very nice people, and i know people who are very nice people, i fall somewhere in the middle as it goes, and i know that there are types of people who when confronted in certain situations do not lose... im not about to go marauding around if some guy wants to try and break into my house - i'll call the police, i'll tell them i've done it, i'll tell em im armed and they should fuck off and i'll defend myself if i have to but the last thing im gona do is charge into a situation like John McClane against however many people, armed with whatever they might have on the principle that "i've got to be a MAN!'' - thats how idiots get killed.

i might sound passive and weak to you, but you sound dumb to me and i know what i'd rather be

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:22 pm

noam wrote:i might sound passive and weak to you, but you sound dumb to me and i know what i'd rather be
Yes, it seems we have very different viewpoints. I'm glad that we live under different systems, in that regard.
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by pkay » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:26 pm

noam wrote:
say i'd heard em, and picked something up, and ran downstairs to catch them with a crowbar trying to do my door, and gone for them, what are the most likely results?? yeh i might have got one of em with one shot, likelihood is though that i get clocked aswell, then overpowered, then smashed in with a crowbar/whatever i was carrying - im not fucking superman!

see thats the main difference. Im superman

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by pompende » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:29 pm

pkay wrote: But anywho.... let's say you lived with your girlfriend or had a child in the house.... having been stomped out as you say would you not do anything in your power to insure that does not happen to your wife/gf, or child?
let's say you and your gf have decided that you would rather lose some money or even your life rather than maim a crackhead?
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Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:39 pm

Seems like you can do that under any system.
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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by pkay » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:42 pm

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pkay wrote: But anywho.... let's say you lived with your girlfriend or had a child in the house.... having been stomped out as you say would you not do anything in your power to insure that does not happen to your wife/gf, or child?
let's say you and your gf have decided that you would rather lose your life than perpetuate private gun ownership?

Noam and I weren't talking about guns in the conversation you quoted.

I'd say you and your girlfriend should read the context of Noam and my conversation before you hypothetically kill yourself for the sake of being contrarian. That or if you want to have a meaningless braindead debate to look cool on the net I'm sure nowaysj is up for it

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by pompende » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:51 pm

oh my mistake. i assumed this thread was still about guns.

still it wound you up which is endlessly amusing to me.

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Re: WTF America... wtf...

Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:55 pm

pkay wrote:nowaysj is up for it
usually, yep.

I'm still talking about guns :lol: Come into my house in the darkness of night, leave under a flashing red light. Poetry! :dunce:
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Post by pompende » Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:06 pm

actually having reread this thread you don't make that clear in the slightest. you say "anything to protect yourself" in a thread about gun law. surrounded by people talking about using guns in a break in. How could i assume you meant anything else?

also, you live in austin. i live in fucking memphis so please don't say anything about me trying to look cool. this is an actual consideration for me.

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