Your thoughts on the Phrygian

[nowaysj]

Yeah, not this:



Like this:



So have been writing quite a bit in the natural minor of F, but just started feeling like the F# sounded better than the G. I come to learn this is something called the Phrygian... mode? Scale? I don't know wtf it is.

Anyone with some time care to share a little knowledge about this whole Phrygian bizzness?

Kind of joking around here, but I'm just starting to see the connection between scales and modes. I don't understand it at all, but now know enough to know that it is extremely powerful.

Any and all help appreciated.

[amphibian]

I have nfi, but I am super keen to see where this conversation goes, watching it

[buttock]

starting with the C-Major scale (the white keys) you can start on each note of the scale play the next 8 notes and you get another scale. they are called the modes of C-Major. If you start with E and play the next 8 white keys, you're Playing E-Phrygian. The thing one has to get a grip of, is the idea that the mood or color of a scale does not depend on the notes it consist of, but on the order of the notes and espacially the base note, the one you play the most.

[Karoshi]

Interested in this too! cheers buttock, helps abit!

[Cymatic Kicks]

http://www.cymatickicks.com/

I made this, it has a ton of music theory in there.

Phrygian is great, especially for a darker sound. The root to a half step up progression is definitely evil sounding.

[Big Freq]

I remember learning a little bit about Phrygian modes when taking guitar lessons...

The intervals go like this... H = Half step, W = Whole step

H W W W H W W

so say you started on E the scale would go

E F G A B C D E

if you started on C it would go

C C# D# F G G# A# C

same interval pattern. different starting note. Phrygian has a dark moody sound to it and a personal favorite of mine.

[paravrais]

Phrygian was one of the first scales I learnt when I played guitar, first it was 12 bar blues. Then some other blues scale I've never learnt on the piano or found out the name of and then phrygian. I think if you play it in the right way in the right key it has a wonderful dark egyptian feel to it. Still one of my favourite scales but I don't use it so much anymore, bit dark for the floaty happy stuff I've been making

[drake89]

modes are things like minor and major, phrygian is probably one too.

[nowaysj]

Phrygian was one of the first scales I learnt when I played guitar, first it was 12 bar blues. Then some other blues scale I've never learnt on the piano or found out the name of and then phrygian. I think if you play it in the right way in the right key it has a wonderful dark egyptian feel to it. Still one of my favourite scales but I don't use it so much anymore, bit dark for the floaty happy stuff I've been making

Waddya mean play it in the right way?

I play it like I play the natural minor, I just found that I was avoiding the 2nd note of the minor scale, just never really sounded right. But flattening it has changed the way I'm writing lines, pretty profoundly.

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And beyond that, yeah, I've been up in C major's butt the past month. happy happy joy joy

[thefrim]

the Phrygian is AWESOME and certainly a dubstep staple.

I used it for the bass line and chords on a remix, and that remix is now being played out by Bassnectar. Coincidence?

[-[2]DAY_-]

love phrygian, but with that staff and notes, you're likely to draw a lot of "wtf"'s lol.

I'm all about music theory and composition, personally, but i lack a lot of other insights, particularly about structuring a beat and sound design.
It takes all kinds

[makemerich]

i dont know if you play guitar but there is a book called guitar grimoir with every scale, mode, inversion, in existance.
maybe there is one on piano as well.
i never quite understood the theory but its fun to pick certain modes and make a hook or something out of them.

[GRAYSKALE]

Phrygian is the tits. Metallica use it in like 9 out of every of their tunes so it has to be good Phrygian dominant is where its at though, check out the harmonic minor scale for those flamenco, classical flavors.

[paravrais]

Phrygian was one of the first scales I learnt when I played guitar, first it was 12 bar blues. Then some other blues scale I've never learnt on the piano or found out the name of and then phrygian. I think if you play it in the right way in the right key it has a wonderful dark egyptian feel to it. Still one of my favourite scales but I don't use it so much anymore, bit dark for the floaty happy stuff I've been making

Waddya mean play it in the right way?

I play it like I play the natural minor, I just found that I was avoiding the 2nd note of the minor scale, just never really sounded right. But flattening it has changed the way I'm writing lines, pretty profoundly.

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And beyond that, yeah, I've been up in C major's butt the past month. happy happy joy joy

Well depending on how you use it you can achieve quite a different sound. Sort of hard to put down in writing but it can be quite dark but also quite up beat and eastern feeling.

I don't know if this is 'correct' in theory terms either but I've made a song in phrygian where the breakdown changes into harmonic minor of another key. I thought it sounded pretty good, though Kaiori is probably about to castrate me...

[-[2]DAY_-]

nothing wrong w changing keys and modes.

plus if you play harmonic minor from the second note -- for example, A harmonic minor, but from B to B:

you get a really hip sounding Locrian/Dorian hybrid. i call it Locra-Dorian.
the notes would be B, C, D, E, F, G#, A -- locrian with a raised 6th (or Dorian with a flatted 2nd and 5th).



my other favorite is what i call Phrygi-Dorian: Dorian with just a flatted 2nd. its the same as the above, except its off a melodic minor scale instead of harmonic.
so, A melodic minor, from B to B:
B, C, D, E, F#, G#, A

I like when a tune modulates keys but also changes the root to give a different tonal center. For instance, you're in E minor, and you play a big E7 (b5, b9, b13, flat anything really, just nice and altered) to bring you into A minor. the next section, you write in A harmonic minor, but the root is anchored on B, giving your whole shit this tense as fuck altered locrian feel. hmm i better go write a tune instead of geeking out on everyone lol.

[kaiori breathe]

Well depending on how you use it you can achieve quite a different sound. Sort of hard to put down in writing but it can be quite dark but also quite up beat and eastern feeling.

I don't know if this is 'correct' in theory terms either but I've made a song in phrygian where the breakdown changes into harmonic minor of another key. I thought it sounded pretty good, though Kaiori is probably about to castrate me...

Nope, no reason why you can't do that. Heck you can have a key change from E Major to E minor if you want, it's just pretty difficult to make it sound good.

[-[2]DAY_-]

all about making bad things sound great

[Hurtdeer]

all about making bad things sound great

[nowaysj]

nothing wrong w changing keys and modes.

plus if you play harmonic minor from the second note -- for example, A harmonic minor, but from B to B:

you get a really hip sounding Locrian/Dorian hybrid. i call it Locra-Dorian.
the notes would be B, C, D, E, F, G#, A -- locrian with a raised 6th (or Dorian with a flatted 2nd and 5th).



my other favorite is what i call Phrygi-Dorian: Dorian with just a flatted 2nd. its the same as the above, except its off a melodic minor scale instead of harmonic.
so, A melodic minor, from B to B:
B, C, D, E, F#, G#, A

I like when a tune modulates keys but also changes the root to give a different tonal center. For instance, you're in E minor, and you play a big E7 (b5, b9, b13, flat anything really, just nice and altered) to bring you into A minor. the next section, you write in A harmonic minor, but the root is anchored on B, giving your whole shit this tense as fuck altered locrian feel. hmm i better go write a tune instead of geeking out on everyone lol.

I'm going to have to give this post some thought...

[alphacat]

Interesting:

http://faculty.uml.edu/CulturalStudies/ ... reek3.html