Pioneer Mixers

NilsFG · Post by **NilsFG** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:44 pm

I don't get why you would pay that much for it though. It's probably fun to play around with all the possibilities at home.
Record a nice set with it and all that. But once you arrive at the next best venue you're playing they'll have a djm800 and you're back to normal mixing.

Since you're using Traktor, wouldn't it be easier to get a decent MIDI controller with helluva lot of knobs and shit and go mental with that?

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:49 pm

i do have the traktor midi controller and i do go mental with it, although for home use this thing looks shit hot.

any mixer is going to vary from club to club, you could get shit hot on a djm800 but only play out in your city on something different..

Sheff · Post by **Sheff** » Mon May 09, 2011 4:54 pm

yeah that does look pretty amazing but 2k is a lot! wish i could bring myself to spend that much on audio equipment

plus even though it has all those fancy effects and shit i cant imagine using any of them at all apart from the filters
i spend too much time wrestling with the pitch on my dodgy turntables to have time for effects

aha

NilsFG · Post by **NilsFG** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:06 pm

I have a midi controller too. The only thing I use it for is to control a virtual 3rd deck in serato and HPF and LPF's.
Truth is I don't need all those effects to spice up sets. A lot of them are just bullshit. Simple EQ'ing and occasionally and HPF and LPF is good enough.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:09 pm

i don't really rate seratos fx that much, compared to how intricate you can get with traktors..

i use about 6-7 different effects with traktor... transponse stretch is insane

AxeD · Post by **AxeD** » Mon May 09, 2011 5:11 pm

NilsFG wrote:I don't get why you would pay that much for it though. It's probably fun to play around with all the possibilities at home.
Record a nice set with it and all that. But once you arrive at the next best venue you're playing they'll have a djm800 and you're back to normal mixing.

Since you're using Traktor, wouldn't it be easier to get a decent MIDI controller with helluva lot of knobs and shit and go mental with that?

This

And a proper A&H mixer should set you back about 250 pounds new. You'll get the sexygod filter too

__________ · Post by **__________** » Mon May 09, 2011 6:21 pm

Pioneer mixers are shit, fuck the 'club standard' bandwagon. The sound quality is below average. The faders are shitty and plasticy. The digital FX, contrary to popular belief, do not sound very good. When they clip they sound absolutely horrible. You can't scratch properly on the crossfader. The build quality is pretty shit. And they're massively over priced, which is pretty much the main reason to not buy one if you ask me.

Depending on budget:
Bare money - A&H / Rane
A little bit of money - Vestax / Ecler
Not a lot of money - save up until you have a little bit of money

(Pada) wrote:A&H are good - but I don't trust the build quality!

You must've had a duff one! The build quality on A&H mixers, at least before they were made in China, is second to none (except maybe Rane).

Gwa you're brave going for the DB4 this early, they seemed to have rushed the design and testing of that mixer a bit according to what I've heard from employees.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon May 09, 2011 9:31 pm

it's digital so the firmware can be updated, but i have read about it..

got some paper to burn and i don't want to waste it on shit. if it's fuckery then it won't lose that much value.

will give a report when it comes

AxeD · Post by **AxeD** » Mon May 09, 2011 11:23 pm

£10 Bag wrote:Pioneer mixers are shit, fuck the 'club standard' bandwagon. The sound quality is below average. The faders are shitty and plasticy. The digital FX, contrary to popular belief, do not sound very good. When they clip they sound absolutely horrible. You can't scratch properly on the crossfader. The build quality is pretty shit. And they're massively over priced, which is pretty much the main reason to not buy one if you ask me.

Depending on budget:
Bare money - A&H / Rane
A little bit of money - Vestax / Ecler
Not a lot of money - save up until you have a little bit of money

(Pada) wrote:A&H are good - but I don't trust the build quality!
You must've had a duff one! The build quality on A&H mixers, at least before they were made in China, is second to none (except maybe Rane).

Gwa you're brave going for the DB4 this early, they seemed to have rushed the design and testing of that mixer a bit according to what I've heard from employees.

A&H and Rane are about 350 squid apart from what I've seen. Both make great gear though.

jameshk · Post by **jameshk** » Tue May 10, 2011 12:03 am

£10 Bag wrote:Pioneer mixers are shit, fuck the 'club standard' bandwagon. The sound quality is below average. The faders are shitty and plasticy. The digital FX, contrary to popular belief, do not sound very good. When they clip they sound absolutely horrible. You can't scratch properly on the crossfader. The build quality is pretty shit. And they're massively over priced, which is pretty much the main reason to not buy one if you ask me.

Depending on budget:
Bare money - A&H / Rane
A little bit of money -Vestax / Ecler
Not a lot of money - save up until you have a little bit of money

(Pada) wrote:A&H are good - but I don't trust the build quality!
You must've had a duff one! The build quality on A&H mixers, at least before they were made in China, is second to none (except maybe Rane).

Gwa you're brave going for the DB4 this early, they seemed to have rushed the design and testing of that mixer a bit according to what I've heard from employees.

NEVER buy a vestax. The faders are the biggest pile of shit ever.

pkay · Post by **pkay** » Tue May 10, 2011 12:25 am

AxeD wrote:
A&H and Rane are about 350 squid apart from what I've seen. Both make great gear though.

ther flagship models are about the same price. $1300-$1500 depending.

Sheff · Post by **Sheff** » Tue May 10, 2011 12:30 am

i promise they arent worse than behringers "ultra glide" faders.

they all near enough fucking silent all the way up to like 8 then its just 1000db out of fucking nowhere

sayno · Post by **sayno** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:03 am

using a vestax now that's been rinsed, faders feel pretty light, sound is a bit wank. think it's time i got a xone 22

NilsFG · Post by **NilsFG** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:02 pm

Sheff wrote:i promise they arent worse than behringers "ultra glide" faders.

they all near enough fucking silent all the way up to like 8 then its just 1000db out of fucking nowhere

The faders on my Behringer mixer are good actually.

AxeD · Post by **AxeD** » Wed May 11, 2011 12:34 am

pkay wrote:
AxeD wrote:
A&H and Rane are about 350 squid apart from what I've seen. Both make great gear though.

ther flagship models are about the same price. $1300-$1500 depending.

True, I don't need built in effects or more than 2 channels for my home mixing so I just got the xone22.

icanicant · Post by **icanicant** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:09 am

Nowhere near you guys in terms of mixers but was wondering what you would recommend for a newbie? Was thinking of spending 200 quid max. Gemini seem to have some reasonably priced mixers but I have no idea what their reputation for them is.

noam · Post by **noam** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:52 am

£10 Bag wrote: You can't scratch properly on the crossfader.
.

that for one, isn't true

one of my old housemates had a djm 800 and could scratch the SHIT out of it/with it... there's definitely some mixers you cant use to scratch but he managed fine on that...

in other news i played out on this

on friday night

and found out exactly what the fuck is wrong with the cue thing... took me the first 3-4 tunes to work it out so start of set was tricky, but once my ears had adjusted to what i could get out of the monitor/mixer i was fine and smashed it

LOL also turned up and

when i saw the setup was in full battle mode hahahahaha seems to happen everytime though,may aswell learn like that since you get it everywhere you go

laurent__duval · Post by **laurent__duval** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:57 am

got a djm600 at home and its pretty good. its super sturdy, got loads of features an was very cheap when i got it. obviously its not in the same class as a new A&H, but then to be fair thats so far out of my price range its not even worth thinking about.

if you want something good and long lasting i'd recommend it.

i know its been said already but its also dead handy when you go to a club/bar and they've got one. and if we're talking about the 'industry standard' thing should we bring up the vestax > 1210 argument. because i've used vestax before and they're a lot better then 1210's, yet i perceiver with my 1210's regardless.

gwa · Post by **gwa** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:17 am

i fucking hate playing in battle mode. makes riding the pitch such a jar

Sheff · Post by **Sheff** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:20 am

thanks laurent! thats what i was after

and same gwa its fucking horrible

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