DUBSTEP MUSIC AWARDS 2011

[pulsar]

The voting will be open and fair, rather than have nominees for awards, it's down to YOU guys and girls to vote/name your favourite artists etc! - We feel this gives everyone a fair chance of winning!

Fuck OFF does it.

All it'll take is for one producer on say Circus or Rottun to go to their social networking media and say "vote for me here" to have your voting system rendered pointless; and have it swarmed by hundreds of kids who don't know any better and think its fun to make multiple account to spam said producers to the top of the voting chart.

That style of "vote" doesn't let the true talent through and I can guarantee that if you pursue this in that way, you'll have a lot of people involved in the core community just turn their backs on your awards if they were even willing to be a part of it in the first place.

Who is bankrolling these "awards" anyway? (my bad if that has already been cleared up)

The punters buying the tickets and the ''sponsors'' I believe!

From what i've read about the DNB we could have such dubstep affiliated sponsors such as KFC and Ryanair.

That says it all really, doesn't it!

ALSO THIS.

[littleredraver]

Fuck OFF does it.

All it'll take is for one producer on say Circus or Rottun to go to their social networking media and say "vote for me here" to have your voting system rendered pointless; and have it swarmed by hundreds of kids who don't know any better and think its fun to make multiple account to spam said producers to the top of the voting chart.

That style of "vote" doesn't let the true talent through and I can guarantee that if you pursue this in that way, you'll have a lot of people involved in the core community just turn their backs on your awards if they were even willing to be a part of it in the first place.

So because the younger generation have become dubstep fans they are not entitled to an opinion??? This is dubstep awards for the masses not jumped up snobs who think they know it all and there opinion is sacred..... There are always going to be people that deserve a mention and don't get it because what might be a big producer in your eyes might not be in someone elses. It was the same with DnB awards people like you are happy to provide critisism of the destructive type but are never happy to offer constructive critisism! Whats the point????

To be honest I think some of the comments on this thread are jokes. Im not involved with the awards personally but can't believe how much hate there is already off people on here. I just think you all hate on people that are doing well. Circus records have gone from strength to strength and you using that particular label as an example just proves my thoughts. You aren't really annoyed because of the voting system... your annoyed because the more popular jump up artists will probably get voted for more, and the more down tempo artists will probably not get a look in. But hey its because its the jump up stuff that people are feeling at the mo.

Could you really care less who the sponsors are? Im sure if KFC or the like were a sponsor u wouldnt mind so much when theres the option to get some chicken when you come out of the rave smashed lolololol

[LA_Boxers]

.......

[krytikal]

your annoyed because the more popular jump up artists will probably get voted for more, and the more down tempo artists will probably not get a look in. But hey its because its the jump up stuff that people are feeling at the mo.

is this not the problem ?

[reprisal]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[shambandito]

So because the younger generation have become dubstep fans they are not entitled to an opinion??? This is dubstep awards for the masses not jumped up snobs who think they know it all and there opinion is sacred..... There are always going to be people that deserve a mention and don't get it because what might be a big producer in your eyes might not be in someone elses. It was the same with DnB awards people like you are happy to provide critisism of the destructive type but are never happy to offer constructive critisism! Whats the point????

To be honest I think some of the comments on this thread are jokes. Im not involved with the awards personally but can't believe how much hate there is already off people on here. I just think you all hate on people that are doing well. Circus records have gone from strength to strength and you using that particular label as an example just proves my thoughts. You aren't really annoyed because of the voting system... your annoyed because the more popular jump up artists will probably get voted for more, and the more down tempo artists will probably not get a look in. But hey its because its the jump up stuff that people are feeling at the mo.

Could you really care less who the sponsors are? Im sure if KFC or the like were a sponsor u wouldnt mind so much when theres the option to get some chicken when you come out of the rave smashed lolololol

criticism criticism criticism

[scattybeanhead]

your annoyed because the more popular jump up artists will probably get voted for more, and the more down tempo artists will probably not get a look in. But hey its because its the jump up stuff that people are feeling at the mo.

is this not the problem ?

this is exactly the problem. hospital dominate the dnb awards just like i guess circus or rottun would dominate the 'dubstep awards'.
there's already the dubstepforum awards, is this not enough?

[plastician]

Pointless.

Leave it to voters and it becomes a popularity contest. People with 50 million YouTube hits and one gig to their name will win regardless of whether or not it's any good... A lot of genuinely interesting acts and people making original new music will not get a look in.

Leave it to a board of journalists / panellists to decide and the most obscure unheard of and little known artist will win whilst anything genuinely popular is overlooked while the panel tries to prove how ahead of everyone else they are.

I'm being over the top with both of these assumptions, but it's true. You only have to look at every awards ceremony in the industry to know what I'm on about.

Nobody knows what dubstep is anymore either. You'll only end up pissing everyone off. Peoples idea of dubstep (particularly the masses and the potential voters) is extremely vague. But still, we can't write any of it off because it all has an effect on itself and other strains of music within the sound. Whether u play to thousands at gigs every weekend, or host a podcast that is well received, or even if u are just sitting down watching your tunes rack up millions of hits on YouTube when NOBODY who buys the music and plays it out have heard of you, it all has a place in the scene. And awards ceremonies will never grasp this nor will they be a good representation of what is actually happening in the scene from the point of view of those on the inside.

And by hosting these sorts of awards, you'll only add to the confusion by crowning some complete unknown as the worlds biggest dubstep artist...... And people on the outside will take this as gospel.

Let's all just do what we are doing. Whilst recognition is nice, I don't think any awards ceremony, particularly for dubstep will ever be a good representation of what's happening, and that includes the forum awards. The sound is too diverse now and everyones interpretation of the word dubstep is so different. It will never be a general consensus, just a popularity or anti popularity contest.

[PinUp]

Pointless.

Leave it to voters and it becomes a popularity contest. People with 50 million YouTube hits and one gig to their name will win regardless of whether or not it's any good... A lot of genuinely interesting acts and people making original new music will not get a look in.

Leave it to a board of journalists / panellists to decide and the most obscure unheard of and little known artist will win whilst anything genuinely popular is overlooked while the panel tries to prove how ahead of everyone else they are.

I'm being over the top with both of these assumptions, but it's true. You only have to look at every awards ceremony in the industry to know what I'm on about.

Nobody knows what dubstep is anymore either. You'll only end up pissing everyone off. Peoples idea of dubstep (particularly the masses and the potential voters) is extremely vague. But still, we can't write any of it off because it all has an effect on itself and other strains of music within the sound. Whether u play to thousands at gigs every weekend, or host a podcast that is well received, or even if u are just sitting down watching your tunes rack up millions of hits on YouTube when NOBODY who buys the music and plays it out have heard of you, it all has a place in the scene. And awards ceremonies will never grasp this nor will they be a good representation of what is actually happening in the scene from the point of view of those on the inside.

And by hosting these sorts of awards, you'll only add to the confusion by crowning some complete unknown as the worlds biggest dubstep artist...... And people on the outside will take this as gospel.

Let's all just do what we are doing. Whilst recognition is nice, I don't think any awards ceremony, particularly for dubstep will ever be a good representation of what's happening, and that includes the forum awards. The sound is too diverse now and everyones interpretation of the word dubstep is so different. It will never be a general consensus, just a popularity or anti popularity contest.

[arktrix45hz]

So because the younger generation have become dubstep fans they are not entitled to an opinion??? This is dubstep awards for the masses not jumped up snobs who think they know it all and there opinion is sacred.....

I didn't say they weren't entitled, did I? Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

There are always going to be people that deserve a mention and don't get it because what might be a big producer in your eyes might not be in someone elses. It was the same with DnB awards people like you are happy to provide critisism of the destructive type but are never happy to offer constructive critisism! Whats the point????

I can offer some constructive criticism, sure...

Reading this thread should be enough constructive criticism for the organisers to see the core fans don't want it. Fuck, even Plastician is in agreement that they're not needed. Everything in this thread is constructive criticism to the organisers besides the odd troll post or one sentence reply.

To be honest I think some of the comments on this thread are jokes. Im not involved with the awards personally but can't believe how much hate there is already off people on here. I just think you all hate on people that are doing well. Circus records have gone from strength to strength and you using that particular label as an example just proves my thoughts. You aren't really annoyed because of the voting system... your annoyed because the more popular jump up artists will probably get voted for more, and the more down tempo artists will probably not get a look in. But hey its because its the jump up stuff that people are feeling at the mo.

This is the problem. The only people REALLY feeling jump up are the trend hoppers. I know kids round here who swear on their families lives they love dubstep (the same as they did three years ago when metalcore and "screamo" was the popular thing), but when I linked them to some Darqwan and Pinch I was met with replies of "this isn't dubstep, this is boring. Its shit. Wheres the filth?". Bare in mind the two tracks I played were Jahwan and Qawwali respectively.

So yeah, what are the advantages of having awards aimed at the lowest common denominator when said "fans" don't even know their history and appreciate where the tear out evolved from? If you can answer that and show me a way to keep both sides happy using a fair system for voting, I'm all ears.

Could you really care less who the sponsors are? Im sure if KFC or the like were a sponsor u wouldnt mind so much when theres the option to get some chicken when you come out of the rave smashed lolololol

Yeah, I could. When you consider the £70k or so off ticket sales alone as previously mentioned in the thread, then where is the extra profit going?

Where is the corporate sponsorship money going?

Is it back into smaller events year round, or is it paying for the lifestyles of the organisers?

I'm genuinely sorry if you're into that kind of thing and you think its acceptable, but me and many others don't.

(before you go off on another rant about opinions. This is mine. No-one elses. Don't try and lump every poster on here into the same box, it won't work and you'll look silly.)

[LA_Boxers]

@Plastician & @Arktrix




Also I dont see why a dubstep awards needs a sponsor apart from to make the promoters more money.

[mymatedave]

I think the posts above have already summed this up.

its like those 'dj of the year' competitions I keep seeing, it means nothing unless its run by someone credible.
And most credible people have already figured out that stuff like this is just not needed.

Edit - after reading the comments again, Im making my own OFFICIAL awards ceremony and awarding the official dubstep spokes person to Tunnidge!

[LA_Boxers]

If the artists dont want it.......surely its not worth doing??

Fuck the Mercury music prize and the Brit awards too!!

[-[2]DAY_-]

lol there is literally zero support for this ... organizers should take a hint and leave quietly

[mymatedave]

If anyone is interested here is a review of this years DnB awards on DandB Arena. - forum review bottom of page 2 is a doozy.

They did do a dubstep category:
BEST DUBSTEP DJ/PRODUCER
WINNER NERO
2ND RUSKO
3RD DOCTOR P / SKREAM

GYI fellas

I love how they have a dubstep category at the dnb awards, still suggesting that dubstep falls under drum & bass.
Probably why they think they have the right to just roll up on here and proclaim to run the official dubstep awards. (if it is the same people)
The whole thing has just caused more negativity in a music scene that has been so positive this year! imo.

[LA_Boxers]

I hate the term official aswell........esp if it isnt!

Edit:- Unless it is official. Like the official DSF Award are officially the DSF Awards.

You cant just claim to own dubstep.

[mymatedave]

I hate the term official aswell........esp if it isnt!

Edit:- Unless it is official. Like the official DSF Award are officially the DSF Awards.

You cant just claim to own dubstep.

This is exactly what annoyed me.

Im guna write on a piece of papaer 'official dubstep awards - best producer & dj.'
Then i can promote myself using that tittle and make sure promoters put it in the brackets under my name.

it means nothing...

[littleredraver]

So because the younger generation have become dubstep fans they are not entitled to an opinion??? This is dubstep awards for the masses not jumped up snobs who think they know it all and there opinion is sacred.....

I didn't say they weren't entitled, did I? Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

There are always going to be people that deserve a mention and don't get it because what might be a big producer in your eyes might not be in someone elses. It was the same with DnB awards people like you are happy to provide critisism of the destructive type but are never happy to offer constructive critisism! Whats the point????

I can offer some constructive criticism, sure...

Reading this thread should be enough constructive criticism for the organisers to see the core fans don't want it. Fuck, even Plastician is in agreement that they're not needed. Everything in this thread is constructive criticism to the organisers besides the odd troll post or one sentence reply.

To be honest I think some of the comments on this thread are jokes. Im not involved with the awards personally but can't believe how much hate there is already off people on here. I just think you all hate on people that are doing well. Circus records have gone from strength to strength and you using that particular label as an example just proves my thoughts. You aren't really annoyed because of the voting system... your annoyed because the more popular jump up artists will probably get voted for more, and the more down tempo artists will probably not get a look in. But hey its because its the jump up stuff that people are feeling at the mo.

This is the problem. The only people REALLY feeling jump up are the trend hoppers. I know kids round here who swear on their families lives they love dubstep (the same as they did three years ago when metalcore and "screamo" was the popular thing), but when I linked them to some Darqwan and Pinch I was met with replies of "this isn't dubstep, this is boring. Its shit. Wheres the filth?". Bare in mind the two tracks I played were Jahwan and Qawwali respectively.

So yeah, what are the advantages of having awards aimed at the lowest common denominator when said "fans" don't even know their history and appreciate where the tear out evolved from? If you can answer that and show me a way to keep both sides happy using a fair system for voting, I'm all ears.

Could you really care less who the sponsors are? Im sure if KFC or the like were a sponsor u wouldnt mind so much when theres the option to get some chicken when you come out of the rave smashed lolololol

Yeah, I could. When you consider the £70k or so off ticket sales alone as previously mentioned in the thread, then where is the extra profit going?

Where is the corporate sponsorship money going?

Is it back into smaller events year round, or is it paying for the lifestyles of the organisers?

I'm genuinely sorry if you're into that kind of thing and you think its acceptable, but me and many others don't.

(before you go off on another rant about opinions. This is mine. No-one elses. Don't try and lump every poster on here into the same box, it won't work and you'll look silly.)

I can see your point. Im not worried about it working or looking silly to be honest. This is quite an insignificance to my life but I feel quite passionate when it comes to people running something because its become comercial. I apologise for stereotyping however id say most of the people who post on this forum think they are the dubstep elite, hence why I stopped posting in the first place. Perhaps I am not classed as knowledgable enough to have an opinion? You say dont put everyone in the same box but isnt this what your doing? I can appriciate everyone has different tastes.... so why cant others? Jump up appeals to the masses and nothing will change that now *as someone is blasting datsik at the back of my bus*, I have been into dubstep now for 5 years and yes it is irritating when you get little brats telling u how it is. But trust me from someone who repped drum and bass wobble for 8years, as ive got older ive become more appriciative of the deeper sound. Im not a trend hopper I just prefer that type of sound. Thats a bit stereotypical dont you think? It comes with time for some people.....!

I cant answer your question about finances i dont know what the promoters will spend the profit on.... thats none of my business either.

Im on my phone its too much effort to keep scrolling up and down lol. No doubt ill be gunned for my opinion by the elite so i shall respond later

[-[2]DAY_-]

Jump up appeals to the masses and nothing will change that now

maybe this is the fundamental misunderstanding... Dubstep isn't for the "masses". there is a sound that appeals to "the masses" and it has roots in dubstep (which is really just a crazy shapeshifting entity whose roots lie in loads of other places as well); however, its not got anything to do with dubstep other than the rudimentary compositional roots that it shares (halftime @ 140 and synths). The actual dubstep scene has little to do with mainstream media and music "for the masses" - AKA - "pop music." so -- here on DSF, the event isn't going to get any support because it's made and marketed to the masses, whose tastes largely differ from those of dubstep fans.

If the thing gets a lot of attention, and starts handing out "dubstep awards" to hardcore bro artists, it could be a defining moment where the scene surrenders the word "dubstep" to the newer sound, and future generations don't have a clue what dubstep is. Kind of like how people today call Chris Brown and Trey Songz "R&B". they aren't exactly Sam Cooke or the Temptations.

I'd venture to say dubsteppers don't give a fuck what the masses enjoy, celebrate and reward. But start hijacking and cannibalizing their scene, and they'll fuss over it, and rightfully so.


I'm not one to say the newer jumpup is "non-dubstep", like heaven forbid you'd call it that.. i mean, it has that beat and that sound. It mixes with dubstep. It does make sense to regard it under that umbrella, but what seems to be going on is that its being rebranded as THE dubstep. which it isn't.

It'd be like if someone threw an "Official Hip Hop Awards" but only listened to juggalo.

[dutty_switch]

Pointless.

Leave it to voters and it becomes a popularity contest. People with 50 million YouTube hits and one gig to their name will win regardless of whether or not it's any good... A lot of genuinely interesting acts and people making original new music will not get a look in.

Leave it to a board of journalists / panellists to decide and the most obscure unheard of and little known artist will win whilst anything genuinely popular is overlooked while the panel tries to prove how ahead of everyone else they are.

I'm being over the top with both of these assumptions, but it's true. You only have to look at every awards ceremony in the industry to know what I'm on about.

Nobody knows what dubstep is anymore either. You'll only end up pissing everyone off. Peoples idea of dubstep (particularly the masses and the potential voters) is extremely vague. But still, we can't write any of it off because it all has an effect on itself and other strains of music within the sound. Whether u play to thousands at gigs every weekend, or host a podcast that is well received, or even if u are just sitting down watching your tunes rack up millions of hits on YouTube when NOBODY who buys the music and plays it out have heard of you, it all has a place in the scene. And awards ceremonies will never grasp this nor will they be a good representation of what is actually happening in the scene from the point of view of those on the inside.

And by hosting these sorts of awards, you'll only add to the confusion by crowning some complete unknown as the worlds biggest dubstep artist...... And people on the outside will take this as gospel.

Let's all just do what we are doing. Whilst recognition is nice, I don't think any awards ceremony, particularly for dubstep will ever be a good representation of what's happening, and that includes the forum awards. The sound is too diverse now and everyones interpretation of the word dubstep is so different. It will never be a general consensus, just a popularity or anti popularity contest.

Spot on.