Working Out....

[cityzen]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

The jury is still out on creatine but it's supposed to decrease recovery time. Protein shakes get easily digestible protein to your muscles fast so they repair well.

[garethom]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

In my experience, quite a lot, there's quite a lot of 2-in-1 choices, so you don't have to mix two drinks, but think of it like this: When you work out, which causes minute tears to the muscles, your body will be crying out for protein to repair itself, so give it what it needs! However, I know too many bods who cane the protein shake, and then do fuck all at the gym, all it does is make them fatter/look fatter (not sure if it actually is making them fatter).

There's an interesting article in this month's FHM, some every man journalist goes from being some flabby everyman to finishing 2nd in the lightweight bodybuilding competition in Michigan in half a year, shows how bad it can be to get to those extremes.

[borrowed]

I used to work at Virgin Active so i got free membership and went 3 times a week, went from being fat to being fairly muscly in about 4 months. Having someone to workout with makes a lot of difference!

Also I wouldn't have coped without these naughty little bastards!

What the fuck is that? Legal steds or something?

I take Whey Protein, once a day, either in the morning or after a workout.

NOX products are snake oil, but contain caffeine, which is a powerful pre-workout supp. Gets your heart rate up and helps you dialate, which some people find helps you lift mentally and most people like the energy it gives. Also, if you're supplementing one scoop or one shake a day, don't even bother.

[borrowed]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

The jury is still out on creatine but it's supposed to decrease recovery time. Protein shakes get easily digestible protein to your muscles fast so they repair well.

The jury isn't out. Creatine increases water retention in muscles, which doesn't lead to that great of strength gains but does give shorter recovery and a higher muscle volume.

[borrowed]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

In my experience, quite a lot, there's quite a lot of 2-in-1 choices, so you don't have to mix two drinks, but think of it like this: When you work out, which causes minute tears to the muscles, your body will be crying out for protein to repair itself, so give it what it needs! However, I know too many bods who cane the protein shake, and then do fuck all at the gym, all it does is make them fatter/look fatter (not sure if it actually is making them fatter).

There's an interesting article in this month's FHM, some every man journalist goes from being some flabby everyman to finishing 2nd in the lightweight bodybuilding competition in Michigan in half a year, shows how bad it can be to get to those extremes.

If you don't burn the calories or tear enough muscle for your body to have something to do with all those calories, they'll go to fat. A shaker I have has room for about 700 calories worth of shake in it. If im drinking 3 of those a day, plus regular food, and I'm not moving, that's quite a bit to put packed on in fat.

[cityzen]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

The jury is still out on creatine but it's supposed to decrease recovery time. Protein shakes get easily digestible protein to your muscles fast so they repair well.

The jury isn't out.

The jury is out on whether it's worth buying or not.

[borrowed]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

The jury is still out on creatine but it's supposed to decrease recovery time. Protein shakes get easily digestible protein to your muscles fast so they repair well.

The jury isn't out.

The jury is out on whether it's worth buying or not.

No it isn't.

[particle-jim]

i used to be a lazy fucker and do no excercise whatsoever but i've recently started regularly training in brazilian jiu-jitsu a couple of hours a week

[cityzen]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

The jury is still out on creatine but it's supposed to decrease recovery time. Protein shakes get easily digestible protein to your muscles fast so they repair well.

The jury isn't out.

The jury is out on whether it's worth buying or not.

No it isn't.

Ok, i'm in the mood for this - Yes, it is.
To say otherwise is to assume you know the specific requirements of an individual athlete and how much disposable income they have. You do not know these things so don't be daft.

[secret door]

Work out at home but when i'm away on business I have to join gyms. I kinda hate them. They are always full of gits trying to intimidate each other. Makes me laugh though so I deliberately antagonise them by staying on the equipment their overt body language tells me they're after. Fuck them. It never comes to anything other than them politely asking if they can do sets while you're resting. Hardly ever gets past dirty looks though. I repeat, fuck them.
So yeah, weights, skipping, hiking, body weight exercises, etc.

This. From now on, I'm just going to ride my bike around the neighborhood with my headphones when I feel like I need cardio exercise.

[dubloke]

also how much do protein shakes and creatine powder and all that stuff help? are there any weird side effects?

In my experience, quite a lot, there's quite a lot of 2-in-1 choices, so you don't have to mix two drinks, but think of it like this: When you work out, which causes minute tears to the muscles, your body will be crying out for protein to repair itself, so give it what it needs! However, I know too many bods who cane the protein shake, and then do fuck all at the gym, all it does is make them fatter/look fatter (not sure if it actually is making them fatter).

There's an interesting article in this month's FHM, some every man journalist goes from being some flabby everyman to finishing 2nd in the lightweight bodybuilding competition in Michigan in half a year, shows how bad it can be to get to those extremes.

If you don't burn the calories or tear enough muscle for your body to have something to do with all those calories, they'll go to fat. A shaker I have has room for about 700 calories worth of shake in it. If im drinking 3 of those a day, plus regular food, and I'm not moving, that's quite a bit to put packed on in fat.

so if I had one after I went to the gym (thinking about going 4 times a week, maybe less when I start off) it should be fine?

To say otherwise is to assume you know the specific requirements of an individual athlete and how much disposable income they have. You do not know these things so don't be daft.

is it expensive then? and what are the side effects, anyone got any recomendations?

You've already doubled in size since the first time I met you lol!

lol, if you'd have met me a year earlier you probs wouldnt have recognised me now

[test_recordings]

I don't bother with stuff that makes you big, I got thinner and stayed the same weight because I just built muscle and lost fat. I infrequently use natural steroids like liquorice root and stuff but I'm not interested in being 'big', I got put off protein shakes and stuff due to my mate's bro having just an undefined lumpen mass of muscle for a bicep! The guy did no cardio, just weights

[borrowed]

Ok, i'm in the mood for this - Yes, it is.
To say otherwise is to assume you know the specific requirements of an individual athlete and how much disposable income they have. You do not know these things so don't be daft.

Considering a $20 tub of monohydrate lasts me, what, two months, its the cheapest supplement out there next to multivits and fishoil. Its one of the cheapest supplements, even cheaper than protien. Not to say one should be taken without the other, because that would be dumb, but you can get a months supply of both for right around $25, and it saves you money on food (the protien).

[borrowed]

Work out at home but when i'm away on business I have to join gyms. I kinda hate them. They are always full of gits trying to intimidate each other. Makes me laugh though so I deliberately antagonise them by staying on the equipment their overt body language tells me they're after. Fuck them. It never comes to anything other than them politely asking if they can do sets while you're resting. Hardly ever gets past dirty looks though. I repeat, fuck them.
So yeah, weights, skipping, hiking, body weight exercises, etc.

This. From now on, I'm just going to ride my bike around the neighborhood with my headphones when I feel like I need cardio exercise.

If you've ever done a set of drop deads or drop squats, especially with your headphones in, youll see why people dont feel like popping them bitches off and asking "hello good sire, if at all possible may I please use this piece of equipment after you have thusly vacated it?"

[borrowed]

so if I had one after I went to the gym (thinking about going 4 times a week, maybe less when I start off) it should be fine?

Of course. Calories can come from three things. Fat, carbs, and protein. In a shake that is made of just milk and protein powder, you get a rapidly-available source of energy, unlike fat and certain types of carbs which take longer to digest and use. Generally, I get one in an hour before the workout, one immediately after, and one before I go to sleep. Easy schedule to keep. But yeah, the one right after your workout, if you had to choose one, would make the most sense.

To say otherwise is to assume you know the specific requirements of an individual athlete and how much disposable income they have. You do not know these things so don't be daft.

is it expensive then? and what are the side effects, anyone got any recomendations?

Cityzsen is trying to make this sound a lot more complex than it is. Creatine and a healthy amount of water (which you should be getting anyways) and a healthy amount of protein (which you should be getting anyways) is going to provide benefits for 99.99% of athletes and lifters on this planet. Also, no conclusive evidence has been shown linking creatine use to liver failure or any of the other shit you might read about. In fact, if you double up on your creatine intake daily, youll end up pissing the extra creatine out because your body will not absorb it after the initial twp to three grams or so it likes to have. This, if anything, is what could cause damage by causing your kidneys to work extra hard filtering the wasted creatine out, and as long as you don't eat 20 grams of creatine a day for 20 years, you should be fine

[cityzen]

Cityzsen is trying to make this sound a lot more complex than it is.

No i'm not. Don't be a prick.

[borrowed]

Cityzsen is trying to make this sound a lot more complex than it is.

No i'm not. Don't be a prick.

I'm not. There are a lot of misconceptions about creatine, and to say that you need to know someones financial status and the "specific requirements" of an athlete to suggest creatine is nonsense. We're not snowflakes, and creatine is not bad for you.

Edit: I'll throw this one in for good measure. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... s_creatine

[cityzen]

Cityzsen is trying to make this sound a lot more complex than it is.

No i'm not. Don't be a prick.

I'm not. There are a lot of misconceptions about creatine, and to say that you need to know someones financial status and the "specific requirements" of an athlete to suggest creatine is nonsense. We're not snowflakes, and creatine is not bad for you.

I'm not saying it's bad for you, but if the athlete is a long distance runner etc. then it's not really for you.
Also, if the person is just a casual gym goer then the benefits of creatine probably don't outweigh the cost.

[borrowed]

Cityzsen is trying to make this sound a lot more complex than it is.

No i'm not. Don't be a prick.

I'm not. There are a lot of misconceptions about creatine, and to say that you need to know someones financial status and the "specific requirements" of an athlete to suggest creatine is nonsense. We're not snowflakes, and creatine is not bad for you.

I'm not saying it's bad for you, but if the athlete is a long distance runner etc. then it's not really for you.
Also, if the person is just a casual gym goer then the benefits of creatine probably don't outweigh the cost.

I agree with you on the long distance runner, but almost every other athlete requires muscular strength with creatine will help with. As for the casual gym goers, I'm recommending it because almost every casual gym goer wishes to look big or be strong or whatever their goal is, but for fear of failure or social reasons doesn't want to commit. By seeing results with the aid of creatine, that could be changed.

[cityzen]

We are very nearly in full agreement.
Sorry for calling you a prick, btw.
I still wouldn't recommend it for the casual gym goer because they aren't going to see changes from the creatine and sporadic gym sessions alone. They need to put their work in and then start creatine (although obviously starting creatine at the same time as taking gym sessions seriously is the ideal)
I reckon this is as close as we're going to get to agreeing, Borrowed. Shall we agree to disagree?