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Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by Indigenous » Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:49 pm

I'm a psychedelic/prog centered guitarist and I have a friend who's getting into DJ-ing. We were thinking of doing something with that. Before we do I think it'd be good for me to try jamming with some recordings. So can you guys recommend some tunes? Ideally something somewhat minimal so as to give me room to play in, but with enough going on tonally for me to have something to work with. Doesn't really matter what style, if you think it sounds good that's good enough for me.

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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by hutyluty » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:08 am

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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by test_recordings » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:35 pm

The thread on the 'dungeon sound' (typical standard 'proper' dubstep) has tons of tracks in: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=190036
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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by DJoe » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:51 pm

Dont mean to be rude or anything but how is the dungeon sound the "typical standard 'proper' dubstep". Theres millions of styles of dubstep from pearson sound to girl unit to benton to Kode9 to Joy Orbison to Funtcase etc. why is the dungeon sound the "typical standard 'proper' dubstep". TBH i find it the most boring and formulaic. it hasnt really chnaged since 2005. I don't think it should be a template for dubstep in 2011.
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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by Pistonsbeneath » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:13 pm

djredi2step wrote:Dont mean to be rude or anything but how is the dungeon sound the "typical standard 'proper' dubstep". Theres millions of styles of dubstep from pearson sound to girl unit to benton to Kode9 to Joy Orbison to Funtcase etc. why is the dungeon sound the "typical standard 'proper' dubstep". TBH i find it the most boring and formulaic. it hasnt really chnaged since 2005. I don't think it should be a template for dubstep in 2011.
ok lets turn this into an argument then :roll:

what the mans asking for is space and that style of dubstep is perfect

if any style of dubstep is typical standard proper dubstep it is this area of the sound...and kode9 doesnt even make dubstep now...joy O's new stuff is 130 bpm house/techno/electro more than anything else, girl unit arent the D word either

im not sure funtcases tunes are really what this guys asking for...

what was the point in your post?
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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by DJoe » Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:43 pm

:oops: No point really. Just don't like the idea of dubstep having a proper or typical sound as this style of thinking leads to generic and formulaic music. Not trying to start an argument though :sofa:
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SP:MC's stuff seems like good stuff to improvise over to me.

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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by test_recordings » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:03 pm

djredi2step wrote::oops: No point really. Just don't like the idea of dubstep having a proper or typical sound as this style of thinking leads to generic and formulaic music. Not trying to start an argument though :sofa:
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SP:MC's stuff seems like good stuff to improvise over to me.

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Sorry I should have just said it as 'proper dubstep like the stuff in the "dungeon sound" thread fits the bill perfectly'... I do agree with you that a lot of the stuff in there is stiff though; there's no groove, swing or shuffle like there used to be which made up for the half-step space. Needs to be more dubwise production as well, it's not interesting enough to make up some big ambience when it's used for a regular soundscape compared to dub which has a more shifting spaciousness that makes it so trippy :dubstep rave:

The last two tracks there aren't dubstep either since there's no dub in it. I can't make an emoticon without making it look like I'm being sarcy or taking the piss, just saying - this stuff has been referred to as 'bass music' as of late to reflect the random blend of 140bpm EDM that's become too diverse for it to be tagged as 'dubstep' anymore. Still fits the bill for OP though :W: Since he's a prog guitarist he might like getting all Jethro Tull over the top of it :D
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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by Indigenous » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:33 pm

Good stuff so far. I started on the thread test recordings posted, I'll check out the rest in there later.

Anyone have something with a tad more synth leads or chords? More killer beats is fine too though.

Have to say, this is giving me a renewed appreciation for dubstep beats. Something about dubstep stimulates my brain to place rhythms over it, even when I'm just listening to it.

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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by Indigenous » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:16 pm

test recordings wrote:Sorry I should have just said it as 'proper dubstep like the stuff in the "dungeon sound" thread fits the bill perfectly'... I do agree with you that a lot of the stuff in there is stiff though; there's no groove, swing or shuffle like there used to be which made up for the half-step space. Needs to be more dubwise production as well, it's not interesting enough to make up some big ambience when it's used for a regular soundscape compared to dub which has a more shifting spaciousness that makes it so trippy :dubstep rave:

The last two tracks there aren't dubstep either since there's no dub in it. I can't make an emoticon without making it look like I'm being sarcy or taking the piss, just saying - this stuff has been referred to as 'bass music' as of late to reflect the random blend of 140bpm EDM that's become too diverse for it to be tagged as 'dubstep' anymore. Still fits the bill for OP though :W: Since he's a prog guitarist he might like getting all Jethro Tull over the top of it :D
I'm most certainly enjoying it. The tempo is perfect for 5-based polyrhythms (five notes to every four eighth or quarter notes), and of course triplets of all sorts. 7 over 8-eighth notes is a bit tricky, but I managed to chug some of that out too. And I was having fun grouping regular eighth notes in the craziest ways I could: 7-7-7-7-4, 7-6-7-7-5, 7-8-7-10, 5-5-7-5-5-5, etc. I'm pretty sure I did some runs that didn't match back up with the beat until 32 bars.

I'm sure as long as people can hear the 4/4 in there somewhere they'll still dance to it. :corndance:
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Re: Dubstep to Improvise Over

Post by AllNightDayDream » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:32 pm

I always enjoyed improving over garage like El-B much more. The keys are much more apparent and its more common to hear changes in garage, and they're always pretty simple.

Plus it's just more funky

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