Westerns

64hz · Post by **64hz** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:45 am

no country for old men definitely counts, one of the best westerns ever.

phrex · Post by **phrex** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:16 am

dead man is the movie!

i fucking love the music in western! lee perry did a lot of versions of ennio morricone and similar music...

phrex · Post by **phrex** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:17 am

not lee perry... but WHAT A TUUUUUNNNNEEEE!
super rare - got it as blank jam release

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:19 am

Like... whoa!

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:24 am

nousd · Post by **nousd** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:51 am

the acid never lies wrote:Does No Country For Old Men count?

No...in the same way I wouldn't call Fargo a western...even though it has the chase, the law & the baddy...it's only set in the west imo. EDIT: Changed my mind. It is a western but with the contemporary limitations I allude to below. Hell, some people call Star Wars a western.

But it's the 30s to 60s cowboy movies that I love, often made by people who still had some connection to the C19th reality.
Gary Cooper,Jack Elam, Lee van Cleef, Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda and all the great character actors like Gabby..
not the corny shit made by people like Roy Rogers & Gene Autry depicting happy times for wartime suffering.
Good stories, often morality plays...a feeling for the deprivations of the times and places,
which Clint Eastwood got close to with Unforgiven.

How the West was Won was possibly the last great cowboy film ...a grand attempt to depict the era...
without the overuse of violence & amoral egotism of more recent attempts at the genre,
totally ignoring the legacy of Civil War slaughter on frontier America,
notable exceptions being Dancing with Wolves & a few John Wayne & Eastwood films.

And how Native Indians were depicted...whole other encyclopaedia.

Makes me realize how many masters dissertations must have been written about this stuff...and how little I know.

wub · Post by **wub** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:11 am

sd5 wrote: Hell, some people call Star Wars a western.

Star Wars is a samurai film, blud.

ed teach · Post by **ed teach** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:50 am

More re-interpretations:

Magnificent Seven < Seven Samurai

Fistfull of Dollars < Yo Jimbo! < Red Harvest

Got to be loads more.

the acid never lies · Post by **the acid never lies** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:25 pm

sd5 wrote:
the acid never lies wrote:Does No Country For Old Men count?
No...in the same way I wouldn't call Fargo a western...even though it has the chase, the law & the baddy...it's only set in the west imo. EDIT: Changed my mind. It is a western but with the contemporary limitations I allude to below. Hell, some people call Star Wars a western.

But it's the 30s to 60s cowboy movies that I love, often made by people who still had some connection to the C19th reality.
Gary Cooper, Jack Elam, Lee van Cleef, Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda and all the great character actors like Gabby..
not the corny shit made by people like Roy Rogers & Gene Autry depicting happy times for wartime suffering.
Good stories, often morality plays...a feeling for the deprivations of the times and places,
which Clint Eastwood got close to with Unforgiven.

How the West was Won was possibly the last great cowboy film ...a grand attempt to depict the era...
without the overuse of violence & amoral egotism of more recent attempts at the genre,
totally ignoring the legacy of Civil War slaughter on frontier America,
notable exceptions being Dancing with Wolves & a few John Wayne & Eastwood films.

And how Native Indians were depicted...whole other encyclopaedia.

Makes me realize how many masters dissertations must have been written about this stuff...and how little I know.

I see, interesting perspective. I would probably be a little less strict with the very specific historical context seeing that as a genre its significance transcends US shores. Obviously period pieces relating to the frontier, western expansion, the Civil War (and the Mexican Revolution) are important but I think there are other things going on, on this 'morality play' level for instance that you were talking about that should be taken into account, or how classic genre conventions have been both used and subverted in the Italian context. See this for example: http://www.austinfisher.me.uk/2011/01/g ... -database/

I am more and more inclined to almost consider Westerns alongside samurai films so I would fall between you and wub and say yes Star Wars is a western, but it is also a samurai film! (It is also fantasy of course, although one thing I wouldn't call it is science fiction)

@ed Loooved Yojimbo, will give Red Harvest a look in, haven't even heard of it.

ed teach · Post by **ed teach** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:41 pm

the acid never lies wrote: @ed Loooved Yojimbo, will give Red Harvest a look in, haven't even heard of it.

It's actually a book, not to be confused with the Norwegian Metal Band either! That would make an interesting link.

gnome · Post by **gnome** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:45 pm

the acid never lies wrote:

The rest of their stuff is 80's synth pop. Majorly disappointed by that.

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