Is originality dying?

[nowaysj]

Fuck linguistics, probably just shanked the fruit in the back with a rock tipped spear. "I told you not to smear your shit on the wall, Graall?"

[grooki]

I think its impossible for originality to die, we exist in an emergent system, it will go through constant fluid change. Specific genres may become stagnant and boundaries exist because of the limitations of specific tuning systems and the structures that have developed through the historical context of music. Because of that music seems to have developed into well established lines and similarity will develop by proxy. That doesn't mean originality is dying though, its relative of course, new combinations of used elements will come about and the experience of the piece will be different, original, as it were.

I think your point is more to do with apathy and a lack of desire to experiment with sound as an experience, which is more of a cultural axiom than a verity of social development. Some people don't want to be original in this musical sub-genre, at this point in time, But go and check out any musical theory forum you can find with google and plenty of people are being original right there. Go and sit in on a music degree seminar at your local college/uni and listen in on the pieces people are making there, take a look at the perspective being taught to those students, one of understanding the necessity for originality, of learning the framework of theory enough to be able to apply inspiration when it hits and weave a personal uniqueness into a piece. Originality still lives very strongly in music, it always will. The argument then is down to context, because i agree with you on one hand but on the other i don't because the bigger picture remains unchanged.

"is originality dead/dying" is one of those ridiculous cyclical statements that get uttered by those who can't conceive the vast possibilities music and sound offer to them, and sometimes by people with writers block... and critics who have nothing in particular to moan about.

People have been saying "originality is dead" since the inception of art. Since people put paintbrush to cave wall and drew a stick figure killing a gazelle some douche was in the corner saying "well that's it I guess, art's over, everyone go home, originality is dead"... Although considering their linguistic capabilities it was probably more like "gruh uuuhhhhh AHHHHHH!"

As long as people continue to breed originality will exist.

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[BevOh]

It's not dying your just not listening to a big enough variety of tunes.

[cloud capture]

our species is just too fucking creatively awesome for anything like that to ever happen.

[3za]

our species is just too fucking creatively awesome for anything like that to ever happen.

You mean we will destroy this place before there ever is a chance

[cloud capture]

My guess is we'll destroy ourselves well before the Earth. But we will be continuously original about things until then.

[Puncture]

I remember way back [5-6 years ago] I was talking with a friend of mine and I was thinking about music and I said to him,
"Do you think we'll ever run out of ideas with music? I mean there's only a set amount of notes!"
He laughed and told me there's absolutely no way.

The limitless combinations of sounds will always produce new and original material.
Here on the boards, with people brand new to production and to Dubstep, many are still in an "imitation" phase. Learning how to make sounds that the big name producers made popular and having a go at churning out their own tunes with those sounds.
At the end of this phase they either quit and move on to something else, or continue to explore their own tunes with the same or similar sound set, or "think outside the box" and create absolutely new material.

I believe those that explore the latter option, and create something fresh, are the pioneers of musical originality.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being similar to other producers/musicians but I'd rather have a conversation with someone who likes to try new things and find their own sound.

[Manic Harmonic]

Originality has always been, and always will be. However, with modern technology, it's actually easier to discover this music. Think of how many songs you hear on the radio that all sound the same, and then think about all the unique music you can find at live shows, THE INTERWEBS, message boards, etcetera. 50 years ago, an artist like The Animal Collective would have probably never had as huge of a following as they do at this day in age. In the 60's and 70's, everyone wanted to be the next Beatles, Jimi, the Who, Janis Joplin, Led Zeppelin etc. There were probably even more talented artists that were doing their own thing and being incredibly original, but were much lesser known. With the internet nowadays, it's easier to find that type of music. Die Antwoord anyone? I know they're a little bit corny, but Enter the Ninja went viral OVERNIGHT on Youtube, and they suddenly had all kinds of record labels wanting to sign them. Anyone heard of Salem? Pretty obscure to most people, but they have a huge following because of the internet. I might even go out on a limb here and say that there is more great and original music now than there ever has been, because people are much less afraid to experiment. Chances are, someone, somewhere, in the next town or across the world, will appreciate their music. Thank the lord for technology (quite an ironic statement, yes?), because we would not be creating what we are right now without it.

[nylle]

has everyone else had the same experiences that ive had in my life? i do not think so. if my thoughts and creativity are influenced by my experiences then they will always be unique to me.

i may user techniques that ive learned from listening to various artists and from reading about various theory, but i use those as tools to help put the world in my head into a sequencer.

[djdeadb3ats]

all that theory jumbo dont matter its all about what sounds good most of my favorite dubstep songs i listen to them like wow i can make these sounds why didnt i think of that its more of a creative mind than anything else

[Electric_Head]

Just the fact that Dubstep exists shows that originality isn`t dying.

[nowaysj]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

[Electric_Head]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

It`s all an illusion.
Smoke and mirrors.

[hifi]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

brilliant.

also originality isn't dying it's most dubstep producers that are making it like that. most people just copy off other producers when they could be changing and shaping how dubstep is and evolving the genre. some people are doing that and others are just making the same stuff that everyone else is making. you can look at me and call me a hypocrite but I don't care, think what you think. I want to also shape this genre in a different way than it is now. could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing

[Hurtdeer]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

dubstep is a construct, an illusion of the collective organisation of moving air in certain specific weights

there's never been anything original about moving air






except farting which is kind of funny

[ComfiStile]

Nah, you just aren't looking in the right places. There is always something that you haven't heard, something out there that you will think is the most unbelievably original and awesome thing you have ever heard. Your job is to find it.

[Toxic_Acidity]

One big problem is that originality comes form experimentation and being experimental is usually a risk. People like Nero don't set out to be experimental, they usually want to keep there name at the top of the charts and gets there tracks played in clubs. People like Horsepower recordings were really into experimental garage at the start and others started experimenting with dubstep. Now dubstep has been around for 10 years or so its pretty much set in stone. If your looking for originality try not to listen to dubstep thats why I listen to bands like Paris Suit your self http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8REH14 ... re=related

[Turnipish_Thoughts]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

dubstep is a construct, an illusion of the collective organisation of moving air in certain specific weights

there's never been anything original about moving air






except farting which is kind of funny

The concept of air is in itself an internal abstract, as is the idea of weight. Nothing exists, in as much as we can comprehend, external to our subjective internal entirely abstract experience of reality. Everything is one big oscillating field of energy and the fallacy is the language i have used to describe the concept is also part of the illusion. No more than an aspect of an illusion used to express another aspect of the same thing.

The same goes for originality, if all that exists is imagination and imagination is limitless, and if collective imagination is what we agree on as being the social construct of objective reality, (all-be-it restricted locally rather loosely by anthropological conditionality,) then imagination has free reign to reflect in upon itself and evolve there-in un-challenged by all but its own perception of self doubt. So of course, originality is never dying, not until there is no consciousness left to create its own experience.

innit. I think farts are funny too

[Toxic_Acidity]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

dubstep is a construct, an illusion of the collective organisation of moving air in certain specific weights

there's never been anything original about moving air






except farting which is kind of funny

The concept of air is in itself an internal abstract, as is the idea of weight. Nothing exists, in as much as we can comprehend, external to our subjective internal entirely abstract experience of reality. Everything is one big oscillating field of energy and the fallacy is the language i have used to describe the concept is also part of the illusion. No more than an aspect of an illusion used to express another aspect of the same thing.

The same goes for originality, if all that exists is imagination and imagination is limitless, and if collective imagination is what we agree on as being the social construct of objective reality, (all-be-it restricted locally rather loosely by anthropological conditionality,) then imagination has free reign to reflect in upon itself and evolve there-in un-challenged by all but its own perception of self doubt. So of course, originality is never dying, not until there is no consciousness left to create its own experience.

innit. I think farts are funny too

Must be some good stuff your smoking there

[ComfiStile]

Ha, that's where you went wrong, dubstep doesn't exist.

dubstep is a construct, an illusion of the collective organisation of moving air in certain specific weights

there's never been anything original about moving air






except farting which is kind of funny

The concept of air is in itself an internal abstract, as is the idea of weight. Nothing exists, in as much as we can comprehend, external to our subjective internal entirely abstract experience of reality. Everything is one big oscillating field of energy and the fallacy is the language i have used to describe the concept is also part of the illusion. No more than an aspect of an illusion used to express another aspect of the same thing.

The same goes for originality, if all that exists is imagination and imagination is limitless, and if collective imagination is what we agree on as being the social construct of objective reality, (all-be-it restricted locally rather loosely by anthropological conditionality,) then imagination has free reign to reflect in upon itself and evolve there-in un-challenged by all but its own perception of self doubt. So of course, originality is never dying, not until there is no consciousness left to create its own experience.

innit. I think farts are funny too

I understood two words there dude.

Farts are definitely funny.