Im not improving! :( Please help!

[hifi]

Alright i have been producing PROPERLY for almost 2 months... I enjoy making dubstep and drum and bass, but im absolute trash at dubstep, coz i really cant get any good wobbles going.... and im alright at dnb.
Guys please dont troll this post and say, "there are other posts like this" or anything like that...
I'm actually in need of help, like tips for overall dubstep/dnb production, and i will really appreciate can be done for me.
coz im not improving lately, and im starting to get fuckin frustrated

i have learned that whatever instrument you try to learn and do not see any improvement(as in very little or a lot) in how you are playing in at least a few weeks you are not meant to do play that instrument since it is not for you.

Seriously, this is trash... i really hope this is just sarcasm im not picking up on.

You can do anything if you just keep practicing. If your not making progression, DONT give up. Instead just fucking throw yourself into what your'e doing and drive yourself to learn. Now, if you can't tell yourself to practice and research, thennnn you might want to give up. Because this isn't going to be easy shit. You WILL need to WORK to get where your'e trying to go.

And don't hold on to your'e tracks. Don't get hyped over them either, becuase unless you're a natural god in the production biz, they probably won't be too great. But post them for feedback, people will hook you up if they know you are really looking for help and you will truly consider the advice that is given to you. This forum is a great place to be for some one trying to do what you're doing, you just have to use it properly. Resources are everywhere here, only thing is is that you might want to be fond of reading.

Edit:Sorry for 2x post.

Tip: stay away from youtube untill you have an idea of what your'e doing. Or else you're going to end up knowing only how to make a small collection of sounds you learned offline(in terms of synths). Read manuals.

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no i am never not being sarcastic. i am being sarcastic actually

try listening to 4 gb off gay speed garage mixes for 10 hours nonstop helped me

Idk about you, but i would definitely kill myself. Hypefiend! Help this man out!

what? lol?

@ Toxic Audacity. I'm an advocate of freedom of speech but sometimes people need a dam pie in their mouth, especially when unsolicited opinion obviously based on a state of naivety attempt to supersede an educated opinion of someone who spends their life dedicated to the subject matter. Would a paduan be so ignorant to his Jedi masters teachings? Or would he be wise enough to see the situation for what it is and use it as a tool to reflect upon and change his approach to learning the subject to a deeper end?

The benefits of learning synthesis, and learning how to shape the timbre of your drums, (let alone learning music theory in all its complexity) should all speak very much for themselves. Because simply using predefined elements that have been created before hand restricts you to a very limited set of options, where the only kind of music you will ever be able to make is much more akin to a collage of other peoples work; whereas the latter truly opens you up to the scope of possibility and creativity, where you are the shaper of your sound, and the knowledge and intimacy you have with your craft allows your inspiration to sink so much deeper and into more detail than would ever be possible by simply using things given, without ever attempting to understand the inner workings of those things.

Its not rocket science.

Toxic is a noob who *clearly* doesn't know who he's talking to, and Turnipish... proper vocabulary, for sure! Just reading that made me feel smarter

Just like i said in my post, following other peoples footsteps will put you in a hole. You sound the way you are through the steps it took you to get there. The process you go through when you produce is your process and chances are not a whole lot, if anybody, will do it the same way.

this is a message I have been trying to get across in a recent thread i have posted in. damn that is exactly right, you sound the way you are by just the steps you took to get there meaning what you have studied

[dmisreal]

6 months of producing = 1 song that i like (and it was a collab)

[zerbaman]

I don't understand how people Finish or upload something you don't like? How do you prevent the de-motivation from creeping in?

[Redderious]

@hype: -sorry for the misunderstanding, i didn't catch that for some reason haha.
-Didn't you say you could assist the op with killing his self? Well this man sounds like he needs your help!
-This is the truth, i havn't realized this for long. But really you find a method of creating some mid range that you find easy, you stick with it. And there are so many different ways to get there that there is a veryyyyy smalll chance that multiple people do it the same exact way. Kinda like snowflakes. I like those.

[JBE]

Alright i have been producing PROPERLY for almost 2 months... I enjoy making dubstep and drum and bass, but im absolute trash at dubstep, coz i really cant get any good wobbles going.... and im alright at dnb.
Guys please dont troll this post and say, "there are other posts like this" or anything like that...
I'm actually in need of help, like tips for overall dubstep/dnb production, and i will really appreciate can be done for me.
coz im not improving lately, and im starting to get fuckin frustrated

i have learned that whatever instrument you try to learn and do not see any improvement(as in very little or a lot) in how you are playing in at least a few weeks you are not meant to do play that instrument since it is not for you. but if you still want to keep going then you should I suppose try producing with a different approach like almost like starting over. listen to different genres of the music you are trying to make or listen to the genre you are making try working with different genres. genre this genre that sorry if this is all gibberish to you i am trying the best I can. i can be a very demotivational person and motivational. if you need help i can assist if you need help killing yourself i can help as well.

Are you serious? This definitely ranks up there as one of the dumbest things I've heard on this forum. A couple weeks? It takes longer than that just to get your fingers to stop hurting after 20 minutes of playing the guitar let alone learn how to do anything with it. I really hope this was sarcasm, and if it is, you should at least clarify that in the post or the OP might actually take this as serious and believe it's true.


You need to give yourself a lot more than a couple of months. Producing is nothing like learning an instrument. It's more like learning EVERY instrument. When you're producing you play everything. Not only do you have to play everything, but you have to learn to understand how to put these things together properly. I spent more than a couple months just trying to learn my DAW, so if you're already making music then you're already ahead of the game in that regard. Just give it time. You'll find that this is something that takes years, not months.

[hifi]

Alright i have been producing PROPERLY for almost 2 months... I enjoy making dubstep and drum and bass, but im absolute trash at dubstep, coz i really cant get any good wobbles going.... and im alright at dnb.
Guys please dont troll this post and say, "there are other posts like this" or anything like that...
I'm actually in need of help, like tips for overall dubstep/dnb production, and i will really appreciate can be done for me.
coz im not improving lately, and im starting to get fuckin frustrated

i have learned that whatever instrument you try to learn and do not see any improvement(as in very little or a lot) in how you are playing in at least a few weeks you are not meant to do play that instrument since it is not for you. but if you still want to keep going then you should I suppose try producing with a different approach like almost like starting over. listen to different genres of the music you are trying to make or listen to the genre you are making try working with different genres. genre this genre that sorry if this is all gibberish to you i am trying the best I can. i can be a very demotivational person and motivational. if you need help i can assist if you need help killing yourself i can help as well.

Are you serious? This definitely ranks up there as one of the dumbest things I've heard on this forum. A couple weeks? It takes longer than that just to get your fingers to stop hurting after 20 minutes of playing the guitar let alone learn how to do anything with it. I really hope this was sarcasm, and if it is, you should at least clarify that in the post or the OP might actually take this as serious and believe it's true.


You need to give yourself a lot more than a couple of months. Producing is nothing like learning an instrument. It's more like learning EVERY instrument. When you're producing you play everything. Not only do you have to play everything, but you have to learn to understand how to put these things together properly. I spent more than a couple months just trying to learn my DAW, so if you're already making music then you're already ahead of the game in that regard. Just give it time. You'll find that this is something that takes years, not months.

uhm do you read any posts other than mine? please if you would be so kind to LOOK UP 1 POST FROM YOURS.....damn i feel sad for some people i think some may even be blind that browse this forum.....no offense to you of course for your impairment.

@hype: -sorry for the misunderstanding, i didn't catch that for some reason haha.
-Didn't you say you could assist the op with killing his self? Well this man sounds like he needs your help!
-This is the truth, i havn't realized this for long. But really you find a method of creating some mid range that you find easy, you stick with it. And there are so many different ways to get there that there is a veryyyyy smalll chance that multiple people do it the same exact way. Kinda like snowflakes. I like those.

ahahahahahah if he needs help for that then so be it. i am the helping hand for every kind of situation..........well almost every kind if you know what i mean

[Electric_Head]

[JBE]

uhm do you read any posts other than mine? please if you would be so kind to LOOK UP 1 POST FROM YOURS.....damn i feel sad for some people i think some may even be blind that browse this forum.....no offense to you of course for your impairment.

No, I usually stop once I read something completely stupid. Besides, the kid got the gist of it on the first page. Once posts start to get dumb that usually means from that point on a thread has lost it's direction and the rest is just bickering.

[hifi]

uhm do you read any posts other than mine? please if you would be so kind to LOOK UP 1 POST FROM YOURS.....damn i feel sad for some people i think some may even be blind that browse this forum.....no offense to you of course for your impairment.

No, I usually stop once I read something completely stupid. Besides, the kid got the gist of it on the first page. Once posts start to get dumb that usually means from that point on a thread has lost it's direction and the rest is just bickering.

and so that stops you from reading just one post directly from yours? sir, you do not have to lie about your disability. it is completely fine here, you will not be judged whatsoever. you must have misconstrued this thread since I and plenty of others have been completely sarcastic. keep taking medication, it helps....sometimes.

[Redderious]

*Topic Check*

this threads getting fucked. OP, do you have more questions?

[castout85]

As a beginner myself, I can confirm the feelings of being overwhelmed by the vast amount of knowledge out there. The demotivation can set in when you have spent a week on a song, and it comes out sounding like shit or not like you had hoped. Thinking about the time you spent and then listening to the result can crush your motivation to continue. I've gone through countless packs of cigarettes on just one song, making small changes then going outside to listen to it - trying to figure out whats missing.

In my case, I work, I'm still in college and have other priorities to think about on top of producing. One of the biggest realizations that I've come to so far is that this shit is going to take some serious time. I don't have every VST there is either, I have FL Studio 10 and I have Massive, thats it. Thats all I have to work with (and free samples). On the bright side of things, in the few months since embarking on this journey, I have learned a wealth of new things about my DAW and what it can do. One of the philosophies that I have learned and will think about in moving forward with production is this: LESS IS MORE. Right now my resources are limited,I don't have much to work with, but maybe thats a good thing. I shouldn't have to go on some quest to get every single VST that I hear mentioned. That's about all I can think of to say right now.

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As a beginner myself, I can confirm the feelings of being overwhelmed by the vast amount of knowledge out there. The demotivation can set in when you have spent a week on a song, and it comes out sounding like shit or not like you had hoped. Thinking about the time you spent and then listening to the result can crush your motivation to continue. I've gone through countless packs of cigarettes on just one song, making small changes then going outside to listen to it - trying to figure out whats missing.

In my case, I work, I'm still in college and have other priorities to think about on top of producing. One of the biggest realizations that I've come to so far is that this shit is going to take some serious time. I don't have every VST there is either, I have FL Studio 10 and I have Massive, thats it. Thats all I have to work with (and free samples). On the bright side of things, in the few months since embarking on this journey, I have learned a wealth of new things about my DAW and what it can do. One of the philosophies that I have learned and will think about in moving forward with production is this: LESS IS MORE. Right now my resources are limited,I don't have much to work with, but maybe thats a good thing. I shouldn't have to go on some quest to get every single VST that I hear mentioned. That's about all I can think of to say right now.

Thoughts...

1. When beginning don't worry about making songs. Make sounds, loops etc. This lessens the disappointment when something doesn't end up sounding so great. Also you won't feel like you spent all that time on a dud.

2. You are absolutely correct. Keep it simple! Learn Massive in and out and the basics will transfer to any synth. Also, there are TONS of tutorials on Massive.

I spent a long time (years) trying to make songs instead of learning the bits and pieces and basics. Ended up very frustrated and gave up for quite a while. I've been back into it since this past winter. This time around I did tutorials, read, listened, asked questions when needed. I've improved tons. I just sit around and practice designing drums and percussion or making synth patches for various parts, cutting up samples and loops etc. I'm much much much happier. If something turns into a tune, great, if not...move on! Don't let yourself get frustrated. When you start to...stop...take a longish break...open a new blank pallet and start over.

[Toxic_Acidity]

As a beginner myself, I can confirm the feelings of being overwhelmed by the vast amount of knowledge out there. The demotivation can set in when you have spent a week on a song, and it comes out sounding like shit or not like you had hoped. Thinking about the time you spent and then listening to the result can crush your motivation to continue. I've gone through countless packs of cigarettes on just one song, making small changes then going outside to listen to it - trying to figure out whats missing.

In my case, I work, I'm still in college and have other priorities to think about on top of producing. One of the biggest realizations that I've come to so far is that this shit is going to take some serious time. I don't have every VST there is either, I have FL Studio 10 and I have Massive, thats it. Thats all I have to work with (and free samples). On the bright side of things, in the few months since embarking on this journey, I have learned a wealth of new things about my DAW and what it can do. One of the philosophies that I have learned and will think about in moving forward with production is this: LESS IS MORE. Right now my resources are limited,I don't have much to work with, but maybe thats a good thing. I shouldn't have to go on some quest to get every single VST that I hear mentioned. That's about all I can think of to say right now.

This is why I was saying to keep it simple. I've been producing for 4 years now, I enjoy making every track I make because each track gives me a bit more to learn. Vsts are also a lot of fun and not all super expensive. The expensive ones like razor are a bit of a waste of money imo if you don't know how to use them. Some people write vsts for free http://www.vst4free.com/ Instead of trying to lay down an awesome track try just play around with FL, I know it has a really nice sequencer which is a lot better than Ableton and some really nice built in effects too. I wish I knew how to use it . Try put down some stuff and then play around with the eq and fading in out out. Then if it sounds good record it! Thats about it really! Even upload it and let us check out what you made.

[Redderious]

Here's one more tip:

I wish i had started doing this once i picked up production. Start filling you're sample librarys. If you make a sound that you think is really cool, send it out. Then you have this sound that you sampled/synthesized on file that you can open up, add new fx, re-eq, and such and such. I'm just beggining this now and it really is pretty annoying going back through all my old projects and pulling things out i like. I could of had 5 months worth of samples, but instead i only got 2 hands worth.

There might be an easier way of doing this rather than just rendering the sample collection to get the samples off the project and into your library, but im not aware of any other way. im kinda a noob as well.

[samdam1]

Here's one more tip:

I wish i had started doing this once i picked up production. Start filling you're sample librarys. If you make a sound that you think is really cool, send it out. Then you have this sound that you sampled/synthesized on file that you can open up, add new fx, re-eq, and such and such. I'm just beggining this now and it really is pretty annoying going back through all my old projects and pulling things out i like. I could of had 5 months worth of samples, but instead i only got 2 hands worth.

There might be an easier way of doing this rather than just rendering the sample collection to get the samples off the project and into your library, but im not aware of any other way. im kinda a noob as well.

Ok well i shall start doing this sample library. But, if i wanted to make a synth that was about 10 seconds long, and the sample was 2 seconds long, then how does that work? coz last time i tried to do that, it sounded crap because you could hear the repeats in the samples. :\

[jrisreal]

Another thing you may want to do is set low standards for yourself and forget that you did so. This way, if you make a crap tune, it'll sound good to you and you'll feel motivated to keep at it and will probably learn alot faster.

I remember back when I was first getting into hiphop production on ACID Music Studio 7.
I made a terrible track with a crappy saw wave and simple drum beat and thought it was awesome so I kept at it and made more beats.

[samdam1]

Another thing you may want to do is set low standards for yourself and forget that you did so. This way, if you make a crap tune, it'll sound good to you and you'll feel motivated to keep at it and will probably learn alot faster.

Bro those wobbles in that song you have there are beast Are you an FL/Massive user?

[jrisreal]

Another thing you may want to do is set low standards for yourself and forget that you did so. This way, if you make a crap tune, it'll sound good to you and you'll feel motivated to keep at it and will probably learn alot faster.

Bro those wobbles in that song you have there are beast Are you an FL/Massive user?

Thanks alot!
FL but not Massive. I use Sytrus. But those wobbles were for a DSF sample pack competition so I made them from a kick drum..

[samdam1]

From a kick drum.... FUCK
so just granular synthesis and put an LFO on top?

[jrisreal]

From a kick drum.... FUCK
so just granular synthesis and put an LFO on top?

a bit (lot) more complicated than that haha.

Here's a run down of the process

1. timestretch kick
2. take 5 ms segment from kick waveform
3. frequency-modulate with sampler
4. timestretch again
5. take another 5 ms segment
5. frequency modulate
6. run through FX (vocoder is necessary)

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7. take another 5 ms segment and loop it

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