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hardware used in early garage production?

Post by Elkie » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:11 am

easy guys,

not sure what im really looking to gain from this, apart from more useless hardware knowledge :lol:

I was just wondering, you always hear old jungle producers going on about their favourite bits of hardware from days gone by, Akai S-series samplers, Emu samplers with morphing z-plane filters etc... I was just wondering, anyone know much about what hardware was predominantly used to make early garage and 2-step?

I'm guessing as garage is predominantly a sample based genre, with strings and vocal snips chopped from all over the place, the setup would have been similar and primarily based around a sampler, and as far as i know Akai and Emu would have still been the favourites, but seeing as this was a few years later than jungle, was there any other boxes around that people were using a lot to make this style of music? also being a few years after jungle, would the production in this era have started to head "inside the box" and be based more around a computer as the centre of a studio?

I know it shouldnt be important and its not what you use its how you use it etc etc but i just find it interesting to know really, and to some degree the sound of the music is influenced by the capabilities and specific sound of certain bits of gear.

anyone who could shed a bit of light or point me in the right direction for further research?

thanks in advance :4:

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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by Elkie » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:40 am

huh?

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Post by wub » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:49 am

Elkie wrote:I was just wondering, you always hear old jungle producers going on about their favourite bits of hardware from days gone by, Akai S-series samplers, Emu samplers with morphing z-plane filters etc... I was just wondering, anyone know much about what hardware was predominantly used to make early garage and 2-step?

It'd be predominantly the same, just slightly different models due to the timeframe.

If it helps, I remember grabbing this off Zinc's twitter feed a while ago;

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If you can get yourself a copy of Computer Music #161, there is a section there on UK Garage that could help.

Todd Edwards interview - http://www.dazeddigital.com/Music/artic ... _the_House
Sound On Sound Interview w/ Artful Dodger - http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct00/a ... artful.htm

Summary of AD kit list;

Mark Hill's recording gear and synths, from top: MOTU Digital Time Piece, Focusrite Red channel strip, Digidesign 888 and 882 Pro Tools I/O with Opcode Studio 4 MIDI interface between them, Korg TR-Rack sound module, Roland JV1080 sound modules (x2), Novation Supernova synth, Akai S3000 sampler, Tascam DA40 DAT recorder.

GearSlutz thread re; UKG production - http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... ction.html
UKG Drums - http://www.dubstepforum.com/uk-garage-d ... 43248.html

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Post by Basic A » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:57 am

EL-B's production mastercalss he only used hardware for the synth sounds... cant remember what synth he was using though, but he'd just grab a few note samples off of it and hit his DAW.
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Post by sackley » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:51 am

Basic A wrote:EL-B's production mastercalss he only used hardware for the synth sounds... cant remember what synth he was using though, but he'd just grab a few note samples off of it and hit his DAW.
JV-1080 and JP8000. Don't ask why I remember that - great video though. And, I remember him saying his computer wasn't too powerful, so running everything into it wet made all his playback feasible.

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Post by slothrop » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:12 pm

wub wrote:If it helps, I remember grabbing this off Zinc's twitter feed a while ago;
Nice!

Although Zinc's likely to be kind of a special case, because he was already DnB royalty by then and had been building up his studio for a while...

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Post by contakt321 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:08 pm

Sampler: E-Mu or Akai Samplers
Synth: Romplers like the Korg M1, M3, Trinity, Tritonm or Roland JV-1080, 2080, 3080, etc
+ Mixing Board, effects

I don't know first hand, but I would bet money a lot of records were made w/ just a sampler, or just a sampler + and 1 synth through minimal outboard - fairly simple setups

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Post by contakt321 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:50 pm

Quick note: Zinc and El-B's studios pic/video are from w/in the last few years, remember, early garage was 10+ years ago

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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by -[2]DAY_- » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:56 pm

i have a couple of those JV's sitting around got em at a yard sale. Awesome drum sounds in them. post a sample pack if i can ever be arsed to get 'em out
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Post by contakt321 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:34 pm

I am actually in the market for JV or XV on a bargain - great for bread and butter sounds.
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Post by slothrop » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:36 pm

-[2]DAY_- wrote:i have a couple of those JV's sitting around got em at a yard sale. Awesome drum sounds in them. post a sample pack if i can ever be arsed to get 'em out
Out of interest, can you listen to late 90's house and garage tunes and reel off the presets they're using?

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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by fhsueh » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:49 pm

I use the S3000xl and 1080 almost daily. The orchestral expansion card is killer.

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Post by contakt321 » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:56 pm

slothrop wrote:
-[2]DAY_- wrote:i have a couple of those JV's sitting around got em at a yard sale. Awesome drum sounds in them. post a sample pack if i can ever be arsed to get 'em out
Out of interest, can you listen to late 90's house and garage tunes and reel off the presets they're using?
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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by -[2]DAY_- » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:59 pm

i have 1080 and 880... no expansion cards, good condition. wouldn't say "mint" just cuz they're old, but tbh no scratches/cosmetic flaws or internal malfunction whatsoever.
contakt321 wrote:I am actually in the market for JV or XV on a bargain - great for bread and butter sounds.
what's a bargain? Might want to off one of the pair.. gon' see what they're going for. Could prob work out something fair
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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by fhsueh » Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:02 pm

contakt321 wrote:
slothrop wrote:
-[2]DAY_- wrote:i have a couple of those JV's sitting around got em at a yard sale. Awesome drum sounds in them. post a sample pack if i can ever be arsed to get 'em out
Out of interest, can you listen to late 90's house and garage tunes and reel off the presets they're using?
Yep.

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Post by Sharmaji » Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:58 pm

contakt321 wrote:I am actually in the market for JV or XV on a bargain - great for bread and butter sounds.
Those things were ubiquitous in the 90s- rogue on w30th usually has a few. I use my 1080 still, for sure.

And yeah, zinc's photo is definitely recent. Half that gear didn't exist 10 years ago.
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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by fhsueh » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:51 pm

@elkie - i don't think this information is useless at all. It's actually one of the more interesting topics i've seen personally. Listening to jungle for instance, and thinking about the tools they used and were restricted by, gives me goosebumps. And Chicago house, for that matter...Why anyone wouldn't be curious about the workflow is beyond me.

And of course the tools we use shape our aesthetics. Even a kid who downloads a DAW that doesn't come with any synths, and has to find them elsewhere, is going to start off with a particular sound, different from a kid whose DAW comes with a bunch of VSTi's. But it sounds like you already know this, and really you're just trying to justify a bit of gearlust :)

Go for it man.

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Re: hardware used in early garage production?

Post by sackley » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:29 pm

Yea, I love jungle and it took me a while to figure out how they used to produce it. There's this dude who still makes it oldskool style and posts videos of his amiga octamed files playing under amigajunglism on youtube. Sick stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NuMoominba# ... ErmvSaVcsI

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