<---new producer. quick question

[FuzionDubstep]

And in reason I think personally its capable of anything another program can do..

Except working with audio and recording...

what do you mean by 'working with audio' exactly? and yeah but I'd just record into record. no pun intented lol and then stick it in nnxt in reason and set it up for re-sampling and chop up anything I need in nnxt or do it in recycle beforehand

[legend4ry]

Or with a DAW - you just drag the audio in an chop it up.

We ain't dissing Reason, you or your music ( well, someone did hah..) its just a absolute FACT Reason is great for midi and lacks with Audio - Record improves this but even that feels a bit old compared to say Ableton, Protools or Cubase (FL is quite average with audio, not messed with logic/reaper too much).

So thus, meaning you wouldn't of used audio as much as say me or 2-day as we use a DAW (digital audio workstation) . Briefly explaining this let us import and use audio well and easily. Further more this brings the assumption you're against sampling and using audio because you're not using a daw and are not familiar with its perks.



Is this explained simply enough for you?







p.s even if you layer your drums - you're still using samples and re-used audio so I expect to hear all your new tunes with synth-made drums otherwise you're hypocritical!

[-[2]DAY_-]

well, record's a daw... so u should be all set bruh

working with audio is being able to track, mix and edit actual audio waves, not just being able to trigger .wav files with midi.

the most notable advantages imo are seeing the waveform, and not having to restart a passage from the beginning to hear your sample. Or having to chop it in recycle, bring it back in, trigger each slice. It's just there. u can scrub it (move the needle over the wave and hear it in real time, backward, forward, slow, fast)

[Heartless]

The main reason I'd advise against using synth samples is the lack of flexibility.

Sampling is an art and none of us would be hear talkin' about dubstep, house, whatever, if it weren't for sampling.

If you want to sample, go for it. Just be creative about it. I don't want to see another Girl Talk.

[FuzionDubstep]

Or with a DAW - you just drag the audio in an chop it up.

We ain't dissing Reason, you or your music ( well, someone did hah..) its just a absolute FACT Reason is great for midi and lacks with Audio - Record improves this but even that feels a bit old compared to say Ableton, Protools or Cubase (FL is quite average with audio, not messed with logic/reaper too much).

So thus, meaning you wouldn't of used audio as much as say me or 2-day as we use DAW's which let us import and use audio well - easily. Further more this brings the assumption you're against sampling and using audio because you're not familiar with it.



Is this explained simply enough for you?

Well you can very easily stick audio in reason just load up a wav into kong and of course I get the problem that you can't see the audio like the waveform etc. which is a bit of a problem but then again if you load into nnxt you can look into the sample and edit it / chop up / loop whatever like any other DAW.. but I am against sampling as anytime I've ever seen a track where someone has sampled someone elses sounds they've gotten LOADS of hate for it and had tracks taken down from promotional channels etc. so kind of put me off plus it doesn't feel right to me I like the feeling of listening back and thinking yeah I made that..

and well he can 'diss' my tunes I don't really mind for someone 16 I'd say im doing fairly well but you cant please everyone..

[legend4ry]

Age isn't anything, theres 5 year old pianists playing better than I could ever in my life... Some people just 'have' it - please stop using your age is a "plus".

I was 16 years old on this forum once and only told people once - when I posted in a "how old are you thread"...It was a novelty then because Dubstep consisted of 20-30somethings and now you're about the average age of people making tear out and club go-ers (from the few times I sadly played at hipster clubs) so really, its nothing special.

Not having a go - just sayin'.

Keep doing what you're doing and understand the limitations of what you use to make music on... If you can get audio to do what you want in Reason then big up! but we're clearly just saying...Its not as simple as other things so we tend to use it more openly!

[FuzionDubstep]

Age isn't anything, theres 5 year old pianists playing better than I could ever in my life... Some people just 'have' it - please stop using your age is a "plus".

I was 16 years old on this forum once and only told people once - when I posted in a "how old are you thread"...It was a novelty then because Dubstep consisted of 20-30somethings and now you're about the average age of people making tear out and club go-ers (from the few times I sadly played at hipster clubs) so really, its nothing special.

Not having a go - just sayin'.

age doesn't make much difference no, but for one the majority of people my age will probably be working minimum wage in McDonald's while I'll be playing gigs etc. getting paid for something I enjoy also it means I have a somewhat advantage on older people, and people seem to make a big fuss out of it..

piece

[-[2]DAY_-]

man no one cares how old u are, i hate that type of chat. I don't think i've once ever said yeah well, I'm only __. and i made shit beats for a long ass time. still do. but it's your fucking work, and if you see it fit to be put forward and represent you as an artist, no disclaimers should be necessary.

sorry, not dicking you around I just grow so weary of hearing that all over the place. and it's in your sig ffs.
And fair play if you don't wanna sample anything, but to be "against sampling".. as an edm producer, that's pretty much sacrilegious.

[-[2]DAY_-]

people my age will probably be working minimum wage in McDonald's while I'll be playing gigs etc. getting paid for something I enjoy also it means I have a somewhat advantage on older people, and people seem to make a big fuss out of it..

piece

ego rears its ugly head.

[FuzionDubstep]

man no one cares how old u are, i hate that type of chat. I don't think i've once ever said yeah well, I'm only __. and i made shit beats for a long ass time. still do. but it's your fucking work, and if you see it fit to be put forward and represent you as an artist, no disclaimers should be necessary.

sorry, not dicking you around I just grow so weary of hearing that all over the place. and it's in your sig ffs.
And fair play if you don't wanna sample anything, but to be "against sampling".. as an edm producer, that's pretty much sacrilegious.

u mad bro lolol
you all seem really upset over nothing jeez have a laugh stop crying

[legend4ry]

Fair play to your ambitious nature ! I'm not much older than you (21) so i'm not an "older person" for the record..

Also 7 quid an hour for taking peoples orders is nothing to be snuffed at - that'll pay for new vinyl, hardware or software each month...I bet 90% of over 18s here who are not in education work pretty average jobs (in terms of what they actually do, no pay) .. Its actually quite nice for creativity, when I was working in a office I was writing more than I ever have since because my mind had time to sit and get excited about writing music next and when I got home i'd bang out half a track a day (which is good, for me). Opposed to now where I do odd cash in hand jobs and DJ/make music full time.. Its awfully a drag on my creativity because I am always thinking about it.

Again.

Jus' sayin'

[-[2]DAY_-]

or i'm just in my office, taking time between sorting files to chat online and quicken the day's pace.
it's a forum. you're gonna have to expect some replies. even some in disagreement with what you've posted ;p

[skwiggo]

Sample everything! Thats my production motto - i dont care if its a shitey mobile phone recording of flushing a toilet or a professionally recorded analogue synth sound or drum loop from a sample pack.

People go on about using premade samples and loops as 'cheating' all the time. Personally i see samples as much as synths as just another way of you getting your track to fit your vision. If you can use samples and loops creativelly in a way that will benefit the track then use them!

As Legend4ry has already said electronic music is built on sampling culture - Amen break (the whole of EDM breakbeat culture begins with this one sample), hip-hop, house, techno etc. There are some 'pro' dubstep producers out there who make some of the best music almost soley out of samples

At the same time taking loads of premade loops and making a song out of them is not what im advocating tho. use loops and samples as a complement or use them creatively - change them, repitch them, cut them up, reverse them, process them with effects! They are just as useful as VST's/hardware synths as a music creation tool and not just for drums.

[Toric]

OP: There is some very very good advice in this thread. I think you'll be on the road to success soon! I also wanted to give you an idea of what I do when I find a sample I like a lot. I usually Morph and mash it and cut parts out, re arrange, pitch shift parts of it untill I have something new that sounds just as good as the original. This way you're getting the best of both worlds. A pre made sample, and some hard work to earn the new sound you just made!

Good Luck, and message me if you need any help!

-T

[bassinine]

my advice: if you want to use a particular sample, and you already know how to synthesize it, then use the sample.

however, if you have no idea how it's synthesized - then i would try to figure that out before you start using another producers samples. this will just cater to the learning process.

on that note, definitely use samples (as stated, EDM is all about CREATIVE sampling)... but don't rely on them to accommodate for your inexperience.

[Lectric]

I'd feel like a dirty prostitute using someone elses sounds.

im sigging this...

[sixth sense]

pre made shit is there to be used its that simple

[55stevieboy2010]

I just said my music was 'decent' I wouldn't call that a big ego but fair enough. And in reason I think personally its capable of anything another program can do.. personally but at the end of the day no program is 'better' than any other, its personal preference to be fair with you ha.. and @Stevie - it might not be your idea of good dubstep which is completely fair maybe give some more in depth feedback so I can change that in future songs .. other than that though but cool I wouldn't expect to be amazing yet I haven't been producing very long myself and as I'm fairly young I can't afford any decent equipment but this post isn't about me was just saying you should make your own sounds try and find your own style I wasn't expecting to get ganged up against for trying to help lol :/

i apologise mate. i wernt saying ure music is poorly produced, im just not a fan of heavy dubstep thats all, i suppose actually in the tear out world its actually quite good, but im no expert on it. cheers man

[Puncture]

Fuzion, mate. Let me preface by saying I truly dig your tunes.
But [and try not to take offense] it seems to have gotten to your head pretty quickly.

Sampling, and synths are both a part of EDM production as much as guitars and bad hair-do's are a part of Rock and Roll.
The important thing, new producers, is to use them both creatively. Do people think less off Daft Punk for sampling other songs? I doubt it.

This thread is starting to sound like a clash of egos and who's being more "original" or "authentic" but at the end of the day aren't we all just here to make music?

Just my 2 cents

[Weskr]

Oi guys, stop giving the dude (Fuzion) a hard time, will ya? The guy's only 16 as we've all now have learned and with great ego comes great music and talent, simple as that. It's those who just sit behind their freakin' ATARI ST and complain about brostepper's that will never amount to nothing. Let him have his ego for a while and he will bounce back to earth after time, nothing bad comes out of a good ego