Death of Dubstep?

zerbaman · Post by **zerbaman** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:28 pm

ed teach wrote:lol. blame canada!

But so is XI, and that more than makes up for it.

I don't blame datsik

But HxdB is canadian too

DubstepCuresCancer · Post by **DubstepCuresCancer** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:30 pm

Lol I'm just pointing out the guy doesn't know what he's talking about to such an extent that he just called them American. Zero research.

64hz · Post by **64hz** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:40 pm

they are american. north american.

muntz · Post by **muntz** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Whoever wrote that article is a complete chud. So much of it is DIRECTLY plagarized from this RA review of the Skrillex 'Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites' EP. Fuck off

http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=8266

Skrillex is part of a wave of American producers coming into dubstep from other genres. More often than not, these beatmakers make a violent racket characterized by overwhelming midrange "wobble" basslines, and have a general obsession with gore, macabre and the almighty "filth." It's "mosh" music as opposed to dance music. Many of these producers take as much from drum & bass as they do more aggressive collectives like Caspa's Dub Police, lending their music a violent energy miles away from the garage and dub-inspired scenes in the UK.

Skrillex is once more removed from this, coming from a hardcore screamo band, releasing on deadmau5's mau5trap label and splitting his EP down the middle with electro house and dubstep. His sound is overbearingly plain and simple. While he has a firm grasp on melody that eludes many of his peers, they're usually coated in headache-inducing layers of abrasive muck. The trancey hook of Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites' title track is equal to nails on a chalkboard, and the less said about its onomatopoeic bass growls the better. The same goes for "Scatta," where distorted midrange basslines pierce through the foundations: It's ugly, and all a little silly.

When he goes in an electro house direction, the results vary from decent to terrible. "Rock N Roll" is like a 2010 update of Justice, blocks of melodic static sliding past hastily carved chunks of strings, synths and snaking guitar riffs. Admittedly it's hard not to get caught up in the rambunctious enthusiasm; even a track as profoundly stupid as "Kill Everybody" can break down the staunchest of snobs when its barbed wires morph into an anthemic rave laser show. But then it's followed by the nauseating bathos of "With Your Friends (Long Drive Home)," which sits on a plain-jane thump, and the vocal-led "All I Ask of You" only invokes memories of Alice Deejay's eurodance hit "Better Off Alone."

All of this would be irrelevant if Skrillex weren't suddenly and formidably popular. In the first week of its release, all eight of the EP's tracks placed in the Beatport Top 10. This is a remarkable achievement for a relatively unknown name—the mau5-machine backing has its benefits—all the more so considering it comes from a nominally dubstep artist. If this means that the core Beatport user-base, as close to a mainstream as dance music gets, is going to finally acknowledge dubstep through an artist like Skrillex, I'm concerned. Its one-dimensional aggression and appeal to the lowest common denominator feels like the exact opposite of where the genre began; there's a difference between perversion and evolution. Dubstep is undergoing both processes at once, and the results couldn't be more far apart. I'm not surprised that this EP was number one on Beatport—it's fun and well-produced rave fare—but this music does a dangerous disservice if it's perceived as representative of "dubstep" to an audience that has never come upon it before.

fractal · Post by **fractal** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:46 pm

^lol, what a joker

64hz wrote:they are american. north american.

he said "yanks" as reference to americans, are canadians yanks too now? i think it was pretty clear who he was talking about, but i guess he could have meant every person form argentina to canada

ed teach · Post by **ed teach** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:05 pm

^^True. "Yank" is a pre-pre-pre-war internal slur for north Americans used by the south. Think it comes from a rhyme if I'm not mistaken. It's only after WW2 that the rest of the world (but mainly UK and Australia) started using it, and even there it's fairly redundant as a descriptive term nowadays.

Tracks like Chainsaw Calligraphy and Spongebob were produced by artists from London, capital of that most United of Kingdoms. The ensuing popularity of this style led to a rise in worldwide emulation and exploration of that aggressive sound, some of which took root in the US, but many European producers such as Tes La Rok, TRG, JSL & the Kraken crew were also using the style too. As early as 2006 you had Babylon System, 12th Planet and DZ making some equally heavy productions that played a huge part in the positive development of what we now call "dubstep". It wouldn't have gone worldwide so quickly without this element, because that's what people responded to at the time. Why was none of this noted?

But anyway. Dead horse is dead, et cetera, et cetera, and et cetera...

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:10 pm

the writer isn't an asshole, its just not a researched piece at all. its taking a slice out of one year of dubstep, and basically generalizing the whole thing, based on one year.

any writer/magazine/blog thats trying to declare ANY genre of music dead in 2011, is looking for ad clicks and views. pure and simple.

in the age of youtube, facebook & soundcloud...no genre can be dead anymore. look at any underground genre as an example, and its true. the media have been trying to kill off house for 25 years......jungle 10.....hip hop for about 10...

NickUndercover · Post by **NickUndercover** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:10 pm

fractal wrote:Hilariously misinformed piece of writing, funny to read. Who is this guy anyways?

pkay · Post by **pkay** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:18 pm

"we gave to the world"

guys back off... he helped give dubstep to the world

PS: excision = not american

instinct · Post by **instinct** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:56 pm

wooda916 wrote:Its clear a lot of people have a strong emotional response to the perversion of the sound. I think the main issue is that heads that got into the sound cause it was moody / minimal / dark etc. are now embarrassed to be associated with the crap that gets hundreds of thousands of plays on youtube and radio 1 airtime, and that sound is now dominating and hindering the growth of the deep / dark etc. sound as more and more producers jump on the filth train and more and more events book those types of artists. Hence why this type of thread is so prevalent on this board and why this argument will keep coming up time and time again.

Wooda for President/King

wobbles · Post by **wobbles** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:50 pm

instinct wrote:
wooda916 wrote:Its clear a lot of people have a strong emotional response to the perversion of the sound. I think the main issue is that heads that got into the sound cause it was moody / minimal / dark etc. are now embarrassed to be associated with the crap that gets hundreds of thousands of plays on youtube and radio 1 airtime, and that sound is now dominating and hindering the growth of the deep / dark etc. sound as more and more producers jump on the filth train and more and more events book those types of artists. Hence why this type of thread is so prevalent on this board and why this argument will keep coming up time and time again.
Wooda for President/King

yes, thats actually dead on i'd say

Heartless · Post by **Heartless** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:31 pm

seckle wrote:the writer isn't an asshole, its just not a researched piece at all. its taking a slice out of one year of dubstep, and basically generalizing the whole thing, based on one year.

any writer/magazine/blog thats trying to declare ANY genre of music dead in 2011, is looking for ad clicks and views. pure and simple.

in the age of youtube, facebook & soundcloud...no genre can be dead anymore. look at any underground genre as an example, and its true. the media have been trying to kill off house for 25 years......jungle 10.....hip hop for about 10...

It's not the lack of research that makes him an asshole, it's his personal attacks and clear xenophobia that make him an asshole.

Also, what's the deal with everyone mentioning gore when talking about brostep?

zerbaman · Post by **zerbaman** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:44 pm

Heartless wrote:
seckle wrote:the writer isn't an asshole, its just not a researched piece at all. its taking a slice out of one year of dubstep, and basically generalizing the whole thing, based on one year.

any writer/magazine/blog thats trying to declare ANY genre of music dead in 2011, is looking for ad clicks and views. pure and simple.

in the age of youtube, facebook & soundcloud...no genre can be dead anymore. look at any underground genre as an example, and its true. the media have been trying to kill off house for 25 years......jungle 10.....hip hop for about 10...
It's not the lack of research that makes him an asshole, it's his personal attacks and clear xenophobia that make him an asshole.

Also, what's the deal with everyone mentioning gore when talking about brostep?

Gorestep Volume 1.

The writer said it too.

Redderious · Post by **Redderious** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:12 pm

seriously...blame it on the biddies.

American rave pussy is what ruined dubstep, not borgore.

charleswpeck · Post by **charleswpeck** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:19 pm

Someone send this chump some Widdler tunes.

Gurnumsbug · Post by **Gurnumsbug** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:38 pm

I think the writer is just sick of people thinking this is all dubstep is...

But he had to use big names to get people to actually read the article..
Because everyone knows if it wasn't for Skril people would've passed this article on by..
Ps. I do like Skrillex..I like a lot of producers, and different styles...
Seriously why is music so diverse? Why can't we all just get along?

Redderious · Post by **Redderious** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:06 am

Okay, about Skrillex. Theres a rumor i heard about him from someone who saw him at starscape. I want to sort of verify this with other friends that went to this, but i heard that in the middle of Flux Pavilion's set he made an unwanted guest appearance. He walked on stage and swung his arm around Flux, then PAUSED HIS MIX, grabbed the mic and screamed 'yooo give it out for my boy Flux!!' Then he dropped the word on his upcomming release..fuckin whaaaa??? He started promoting his own shit in the middle of some one else's set!!

Check out this video from starscape, there is a part that edited out as soon as skrillex walks near the tables....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMXINfG3Ig

poundcake42 · Post by **poundcake42** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:18 am

This battle of the sub genres is so futile. There is room for all of it. I liken the variety of dubstep to the ridiculous amount of subgenres within metal. Is one better than the other. No. Just different sides of the 20 sided dice >_>. All the old school metalheads of yore (talking 60's, 70's, 80's) used to do the same thing as the heavier types of metal started coming in. It isn't going to kill the patriarchal sound that the sub genres sprung from. it's just adding to an extensive family tree that gives more people more access to the music. Is the music going to be that good in pop-mainstream. To us, of course not, but we do have a bias coming from a more musical background, whereas the music in pop is practically formulated to appeal to basic human senses. Basic catchy melodies, easy rhythms, and a generic "ok" sound that can get around to as many people as possible. The good thing from this, is that though there will be a rush of crap producers, there are always a few diamonds that come out. Without that initial generic appeal they may not have been pulled in to the genre and not developed the sense of quality that comes over time.

I must admit back in my adolescence (I'm only 22, not an old fogie lol) when I first started to get into music it was all easy to find mainstream shitrock. But that provided me with the foot in the door to learn more about music.

ghosttown · Post by **ghosttown** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:18 am

Heartless wrote:Us yanks invented house music then the stupid French had to come along and filter it and add stupid midrange robot vocals and sidechain compression. They ruin everything. Kissing. Fries. Everything!

Lol this!

zerbaman · Post by **zerbaman** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:27 am

ghosttown wrote:
Heartless wrote:Us yanks invented house music then the stupid French had to come along and filter it and add stupid midrange robot vocals and sidechain compression. They ruin everything. Kissing. Fries. Everything!
Lol this!

I can't tell if you're joking. But all that shit is dope man!

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