Explosion in Oslo // Utoya, Norway Shooting

[samkablaam]

Whether or not he's off his rocker (and im sure everyones made their mind up about that already), it doesnt make his beliefs uncommon. There are plenty of people that believe the same thing and it isnt addressed enough politically. I mean, the amount of coverage on the day assuming that this was an al-qaeda inspired attack was ridiculous. The media, politicians and most people just dont see the extreme right as a real problem. While everyone is busy assuming that extremist muslims are to blame, awful shit like this happens, and facist groups like the edl are still free.

[therapist]

Whether or not he's off his rocker (and im sure everyones made their mind up about that already), it doesnt make his beliefs uncommon. There are plenty of people that believe the same thing and it isnt addressed enough politically. I mean, the amount of coverage on the day assuming that this was an al-qaeda inspired attack was ridiculous. The media, politicians and most people just dont see the extreme right as a real problem. While everyone is busy assuming that extremist muslims are to blame, awful shit like this happens, and facist groups like the edl are still free.

That may be true, there can't be many that think killing a load of kids is going to help their cause though. I certainly hope not anyway.

[borrowed]

Whether or not he's off his rocker (and im sure everyones made their mind up about that already), it doesnt make his beliefs uncommon. There are plenty of people that believe the same thing and it isnt addressed enough politically. I mean, the amount of coverage on the day assuming that this was an al-qaeda inspired attack was ridiculous. The media, politicians and most people just dont see the extreme right as a real problem. While everyone is busy assuming that extremist muslims are to blame, awful shit like this happens, and facist groups like the edl are still free.

Whats up for debate? The guy shot forty people in the head, and then decided to shoot another fucking forty. And you think he has any kind of credibility or sanity?

[samkablaam]

oh yeah, im not saying he is totally sane, but it doesnt make the extreme right and their rising activism any less of a problem.

on a bit of a side point... i just saw an interview where it was rightly mentioned that when everyone thought it was islamists, the problem was terrorism, but now that its a facist, its an act of insanity.

oh also, has anyone seen all that stuff about the pro palestine rally on the island and breivich's zionist beliefs? i dunno how much he wrote about it - i only read about that stuff on lowkeys facebook - but bbc dont seem to mention it at all.

[slothrop]

To understand better what drives people to acts like this makes it easier to see this kind of thing coming, and what we may need to focus on as a society. Namely in this case, easing the influx of islamophobic insinuation, misrepresentation, and downright lies into the media so we can accommodate to everyone's way of life.

FTFY.

[AllNightDayDream]

on a bit of a side point... i just saw an interview where it was rightly mentioned that when everyone thought it was islamists, the problem was terrorism, but now that its a facist, its an act of insanity

Which should be the main point here. When I think of an insane person I think of someone completely unreasonable who only needs the slightest of motivations to do something drastic. This guy targeted these people for a very specific political purpose, and had been planning it for years. The fact that he frequented forums talking to people who held similar beliefs should ring alarm bells. This is terrorism if it ever existed.

[wormcode]

And you think he has any kind of credibility or sanity?

This guy isn't crazy or insane at all, he knew what he was doing and planned it well.
The actions themselves might be seen as crazy, but doing crazy things like this doesn't make someone insane in a legal or medical sense, just a piece of shit.

[noam]

curiosity is natural and rational

nothing is learned by ignoring possible sources of information

and dont reply with some shit like 'what could you learn from him?!', you know as well as i do that there's LOTS of useful information for people in a wide variety of fields contained in that manuscript...

there'll be a lot of dross too, dont get me wrong

I would agree with you if the person was a sane, thinking person and his writing was based on actual facts. The ramblings of some spree shooter aren't exactly cohesive or based in reality.

exactly

what i was thinking was more that it could be useful for people in the field of psychiatrics or psychology?

politics?

sociology?

its not necessarily what he said but that he said it

i mean hypothetically, if he hadn't murdered all those people, this piece of writing would be interesting in its own right

but yeh, he's definitely a psychopath with misinformed idea's and contempt for human life

[borrowed]

And you think he has any kind of credibility or sanity?

This guy isn't crazy or insane at all, he knew what he was doing and planned it well.
The actions themselves might be seen as crazy, but doing crazy things like this doesn't make someone insane in a legal or medical sense, just a piece of shit.

If you think a sane, thinking person with a fully functioning consciousness can shoot people in the back one by one, and then walk up to them and shotgun them in the back of the head, EIGHTY times, then we have different definitions of sanity. This wasn't a mail bomber, this wasn't a tylenol poisoner, and this wasn't some hijacker. This was someone who wanted to get close to his victims and had no problem repeating murder after murder, much less any problem for the decade or so he planned all of this.

Man, this forum never ceases to amaze me. PCP brings out the inner you, the government is controlling you with flouride in the water, and a serial killer is just a misunderstood rational person with a point to make. Fucks sake.

[AllNightDayDream]

You're missing the point

[wormcode]

And you think he has any kind of credibility or sanity?

This guy isn't crazy or insane at all, he knew what he was doing and planned it well.
The actions themselves might be seen as crazy, but doing crazy things like this doesn't make someone insane in a legal or medical sense, just a piece of shit.

If you think a sane, thinking person with a fully functioning consciousness can shoot people in the back one by one, and then walk up to them and shotgun them in the back of the head, EIGHTY times, then we have different definitions of sanity. This wasn't a mail bomber, this wasn't a tylenol poisoner, and this wasn't some hijacker. This was someone who wanted to get close to his victims and had no problem repeating murder after murder, much less any problem for the decade or so he planned all of this.

Man, this forum never ceases to amaze me. PCP brings out the inner you, the government is controlling you with flouride in the water, and a serial killer is just a misunderstood rational person with a point to make. Fucks sake.

That's not a serial killer, he would be classed as a spree killer.
Serial killers are sane in almost all cases too. Being a sociopath isn't the same as being insane.
An insane person wouldn't be in touch with reality enough to plan something like this. I didn't say he was rational either, but saying he's insane is just a cop out.

I'm not saying you think this way, but this is based on what I've read/heard from people...
It seems since he's a white christian, people are easy to play the insanity card. Like "One of our own isn't capable of this! He must be crazy!" If it's a muslim man, he's just a plain old terrorist. It's borderline racist itself IMO.

[borrowed]

Who the fuck said anything about racism, christians, and muslims? I don't give a flying fuck about what color his skin is, I'm talking strictly about his actions and how he carried them out. I'm not copping out by saying he's insane, I'm saying he's a rambling fucking crazy person and his writing holds about the same amount of water as the writings of that bearded old man who lives in a shack in the mountains and shouts at the moon every night.

[wormcode]

Who the fuck said anything about racism, christians, and muslims? I don't give a flying fuck about what color his skin is, I'm talking strictly about his actions and how he carried them out. I'm not copping out by saying he's insane, I'm saying he's a rambling fucking crazy person and his writing holds about the same amount of water as the writings of that bearded old man who lives in a shack in the mountains and shouts at the moon every night.

I'm not saying you think this way

Don't take it personal, as I said that's not what I'm saying about you, just the hype itself in the media and from people I've overheard discussing it.

So if I write some weird lies on some paper and then kill someone, I can plead insanity and you wouldn't care to look past it? Keep in mind an insanity plea would keep people out of prison in most cases.
Also I doubt he will play the insanity card, he seems like he wants to make a point, and him asking for time in court to explain himself just further proves he wasn't insane, he had a political message to prove all along. I'm talking about clinical insanity here, not being a right wing nutter.

[wormcode]

Also, legally, insanity varies greatly by country and laws. In the US this guy would have no chance of an insanity plea I'm sure, because he showed that he planned this out. I'm not sure how Norway handles this though so this could all be moot anyway.

[borrowed]

Who the fuck said anything about racism, christians, and muslims? I don't give a flying fuck about what color his skin is, I'm talking strictly about his actions and how he carried them out. I'm not copping out by saying he's insane, I'm saying he's a rambling fucking crazy person and his writing holds about the same amount of water as the writings of that bearded old man who lives in a shack in the mountains and shouts at the moon every night.

I'm not saying you think this way

Don't take it personal, as I said that's not what I'm saying about you, just the hype itself in the media and from people I've overheard discussing it.

So if I write some weird lies on some paper and then kill someone, I can plead insanity and you wouldn't care to look past it? Keep in mind an insanity plea would keep people out of prison in most cases.
Also I doubt he will play the insanity card, he seems like he wants to make a point, and him asking for time in court to explain himself just further proves he wasn't insane, he had a political message to prove all along. I'm talking about clinical insanity here, not being a right wing nutter.

I had a reply typed up about the insanity plea and the difference between insanity and immorality, but fuck it. I hope you enjoy reading his work and you know what, maybe there is truth in it somewhere. I just don't care to see it. /shrug

[noam]

^^^
dont see the relevance of any of that

wormcode's argument seems watertight

[borrowed]

Its my one day off from work a week and I don't feel like arguing about the definition of insanity and whether the sky is blue or not. I don't give a fuck. Go outside more.

[wormcode]

Who the fuck said anything about racism, christians, and muslims? I don't give a flying fuck about what color his skin is, I'm talking strictly about his actions and how he carried them out. I'm not copping out by saying he's insane, I'm saying he's a rambling fucking crazy person and his writing holds about the same amount of water as the writings of that bearded old man who lives in a shack in the mountains and shouts at the moon every night.

I'm not saying you think this way

Don't take it personal, as I said that's not what I'm saying about you, just the hype itself in the media and from people I've overheard discussing it.

So if I write some weird lies on some paper and then kill someone, I can plead insanity and you wouldn't care to look past it? Keep in mind an insanity plea would keep people out of prison in most cases.
Also I doubt he will play the insanity card, he seems like he wants to make a point, and him asking for time in court to explain himself just further proves he wasn't insane, he had a political message to prove all along. I'm talking about clinical insanity here, not being a right wing nutter.

I had a reply typed up about the insanity plea and the difference between insanity and immorality, but fuck it. I hope you enjoy reading his work and you know what, maybe there is truth in it somewhere. I just don't care to see it. /shrug

Well, I don't want to give the impression that I support this guy in any way. Just the opposite. I would hate for people to focus on his sanity and lose sight of the actual crimes and deeds.
For him and people who share his beliefs, it's probably all truth. For most of us, like you said it's "crazy" rambling. I haven't read all of what's out there though, and I'm in no rush to read it all as I feel it's exactly what he wants, so I don't want to please him. I will probably read more at some point, but not so soon after all this.

[badger]

obviously his actions are absolutely dispicable but i agree that he's not necessarily insane. it's not something a normal person would do clearly but he was in sound enough mind to plan the attacks and carry them out with clinical efficiency. rather like any mass murderer (hitler etc) he's got massively warped ideas and a complete disregard for human life, but that doesn't make him mad

not sure if i got this link in this thread or not but a very interesting article about the whole muslim angle. apparently it all came from one "expert", will mccants, without any real research by either himself or any of the organisations printing his unfounded claims

http://electronicintifada.net/blog/benj ... slo-horror

[bright maroon]

serial killing is a sex crime...

mass killings are a relatively new phenomenon..and they are working on reclassifying them

drives and MO's are completely different..