How many of you still listen to UKG?

paolo · Post by **paolo** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:48 pm

Sorry if this is a daft question, but what's the difference between 4x4 garage and funky house?

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:59 pm

i think its easy to overestimate the lack of soul in dubstep... listening to the likes of mala, d1, quest, benga i hear a lot of soul. and for me most of wookie's stuff was more soul rather than pop. not that theres necessarily anything wrong with pop. but as you say, he's doing as he pleases, which is fair enough!

paolo wrote:Sorry if this is a daft question, but what's the difference between 4x4 garage and funky house?

some 4x4 could easily be mistaken for funky house (if you mean funky house as it was - now the term seems to be used more as an umbrella to describe a scene, and a very eclectic approach to djing), but generally i would say garage was rougher basically... cut up/pitched up vocal snippets, heavier (often jungle-esque) basslines, choppy, fat, upfront percussion. wheras funky is usually very clean, very tight, lots of live instrumentation, more 'professional' vocals etc

some more extreme examples to illustrate

4x4 - http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF235711-01-02-01.mp3
funky - http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF243684-01-01-01.mp3

but 'funky house' now seems to be a term which can encompass any kind of uplifting four to the floor music really... electro, minimal, trancey, all sorts get played by djs saying they're playing 'funky'. so a dj could easily play a 4x4 tune and call it funky house. and likewise, certain funky house could easily fit within an old-school 4x4 set without too much trouble. cos as always, these definitions are fluid and involve some degree of grey

but most current 4x4 seems to be much aggier, more grimy and synthetic, or bassline orientated

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Fri May 18, 2007 1:05 pm

paolo wrote:Sorry if this is a daft question, but what's the difference between 4x4 garage and funky house?

funky house is

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Fri May 18, 2007 1:06 pm

where my sunglasses massive?

UKG is still ALOT

x x x

cogent · Post by **cogent** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:14 pm

At the time i never got into UKG, i was still on a dnb & metal tip but after getting into dubstep / breakstep around 2002/3 and after a few trips to fwd i started to quite like some of it...

Could hear the link from it to Horsepower and the early Bingo tunes so started to enjoy listening to some of it... Some of it was still a little cheesy for my liking tho...

If anyone can recommend some mixes that they can up that would be big...

secretagentgel · Post by **secretagentgel** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:33 pm

i'm still playing catch up with garage, and you actually here a lot of garage beats around these days. tho i guess i'm referring to speed garage. so it's sort of a different thing?

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Fri May 18, 2007 1:37 pm

anyone heard 'bassline house' ??? Its really big up north, theres a big night called 'Niche' that plays it all night.
if you ask them northerners what music they like rather than say bassline house they'll say 'i like Niche' lol

Heres jus a few tracks, i would of uploaded the whole mix but all the tracks come up seperately.
Its wierd its like 4x4 kinda speed garage vibe.....

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8wssiy

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2akwfm

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3gk44o

its pretty shit, but i quite like it for jokes, me n my mates use to whack it on after a big night out to carry on gettin mash up to!

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:48 pm

Nah, I picked up on the whole thing from Slimzee/Dizzee/Wiley thing.
Before that it was just kids in my class in year 10/11 singing "Sweet like chocolate" and before that DJ Luck and MC Neat "Make it through the night" (nicked that teremee teremee thing from Sister Nancy/Reggae) and I hated it with a passion cos I liked hip hop, and it sounded like the shittest dance music to me. Also garage kids were always the biggest wankers in the class who wore the same tracksuit three days in a row, stank of feet, b.o and Lynx and then tried to rinse people for wearing non name brand/skate clothes let alone anything really different. People into hip-hop were more intelligent, calmer, nicer people and before anyone tries it its not about class or race, the people I knew into hip-hop were three African kids and a Montserratian the garage wankers were two Sikh kids and bere Turks and white cockney "sweet boys", it might be to do with English identity but thats where it ends. Peole can say what they want about a lot of nerds being into dubstep, but essentially the mix of the scene is one of the things that stops fights breaking out at raves and Dj's getting beat up like Skream said.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:57 pm

*DeCiBella~~ wrote:where my sunglasses massive?

UKG is still ALOT

x x x

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri May 18, 2007 1:58 pm

Little bit of luck's a wicked tune though. You're such a grumper Obi

musty dust · Post by **musty dust** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:01 pm

*DeCiBella~~ wrote:anyone heard 'bassline house' ??? Its really big up north, theres a big night called 'Niche' that plays it all night.
if you ask them northerners what music they like rather than say bassline house they'll say 'i like Niche' lol

Heres jus a few tracks, i would of uploaded the whole mix but all the tracks come up seperately.
Its wierd its like 4x4 kinda speed garage vibe.....

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8wssiy

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2akwfm

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3gk44o

its pretty shit, but i quite like it for jokes, me n my mates use to whack it on after a big night out to carry on gettin mash up to!

you know i got alot off love to bassline house.

i made a thread on this forum somewere about it

peace.

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:02 pm

little bit of luck is a classic i still play that with dubstep now.

ramsey & fen - favourite part of me ft. maxwell d

blat

mundo · Post by **mundo** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:07 pm

big up 2-step always !!!

*decibella~~ · Post by *decibella~~ » Fri May 18, 2007 2:08 pm

tronman wrote:little bit of luck is a classic i still play that with dubstep now.
ramsey & fen - favourite part of me ft. maxwell d

blat

i beg you draw for it on sunday babe!

x x x

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:10 pm

time to dance

proper summer vibez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMB7FnF5MhY

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:37 pm

The remix of Little bit of luck is amazing, vast extended breaks, grime basslines years before grime started, much more discordant than the original. "Welcome to the rinsin' zone..." Crying out for a dubstep refix.

Yes 2step came out of 4x4... especially bumpin' 4x4 US garage (pitched up +8 MAW dubs). People started mixing it with r'n'b vibe, speeding up 100bpm r'n'b drums to 130bpm and re-voicing the breaks with bits of old jungle records, adding jungle wobble-bass and ragga samples to r'n'b keys and voices... But 2step also turned into 4x4 (4-beat) in 2001 when the gangsters moved in on the scene and the coke just got too much. That's how it was in Brixton, Streatham and Croydon anyway. In a matter of months - weeks even - a whole scene just collapsed.

The remaining crowd regrouped around MCs like Pay As You Go Cartel and So Solid, the silky, skipping beats of garage were replaced by deliberately simplistic, brutal, 8bar backing tracks as a new younger crowd inherited a diminished scene... and grime was born. I couldn't get over the loss of UKG and looked at grime from a distance, but watched fascinated as El B, the ghost crew, Tempa and Steve Hyperdub picked up the Black Puppet blueprint and ran with it... but was too busy with reggae and babies to do much until 2004...

furiouz · Post by **furiouz** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:39 pm

ALWAYS!

delendi · Post by **delendi** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:57 pm

yessssssss bassline house. except none of the northerners i know call it that. they call it 2 step. where did us southerners go wrong? their scene sounds good and is thriving. ours sounds crap and isn't very big.

i don't think you could mistake 4/4 for funky house... even funky house sounds better than 4/4... and i am nooooot a fan of funky.

and yeh 2 step came from 4/4 in so much as 99.99% of non-classical music is 4/4. but in terms of '4/4' as a genre (with the stupidist name of all time) 2 step came first.

healer · Post by **healer** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:00 pm

I listen to UKG (2step) regularly and look out for most of the new releases that comes out in drips and drabs

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:03 pm

Delendi wrote:yessssssss bassline house. except none of the northerners i know call it that. they call it 2 step. where did us southerners go wrong? their scene sounds good and is thriving. ours sounds crap and isn't very big.

i don't think you could mistake 4/4 for funky house... even funky house sounds better than 4/4... and i am nooooot a fan of funky.

and yeh 2 step came from 4/4 in so much as 99.99% of non-classical music is 4/4. but in terms of '4/4' as a genre (with the stupidist name of all time) 2 step came first.

Not sure about that one tbh. Speed garage came before 2 step and that was 4/4. Sorta reverted back to 4/4 after 2 step. Wasn't known as 4/4 at the time but the blueprint was there (bit like El-B being dubstep before the term was coined). Ripgroove and Gunman were shitloads better than a lot of the new stuff though.

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