I need a good DAW to work with Reason

[Cadaver]

Hi, I have been using Reason for about a year, I have gotten super-comfortable with Reasons layout and stuff, I love working with ReDrum & Kong. The Reverb, Dr.Rex, Scream 4, and Thor. I think Reason is amazing by itself, but the problem is Thor, I know Thor can do anything, and yes it can....I use Thor for everything, making leads and pads, I have a blast.... The problem is Thors lfo modulation is not enough for my basses, I know about CV in & outs, and how Thor can mod anything, but I feel I am being limited by the simple lfo waveforms, I have also tried using the ECF Filter, but I feel it is too slow, compared to an LFO. I can make basses on there no problem, I know the techniques for that and stuff, but the modulation is killing me,I was thinking I could try out z3ta, or Albino 3. I was hoping DSF could help me fin a DAW that I can ReWire Reason into (I have Win7 , no logic ;_;), something that isn't so different (but I feel as tho nothing is similar to reason), so DSF....what do I do.....

Love,
Cadaver

PS: Thank You

PSS: Hopefully this question doesn't irk anyone, if does sorry ...

[legend4ry]

If all you'll be doing is rewiring reason into it and then doing basses..

Just get Reaper its got a endless trial (but you get a popup after X amount of days which goes away after a minute or so.

But heres a list of commerical and popular DAW's


Reaper
Renoise
Logic
Ableton Live
FL Studio
Cubase

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=159713

see this thread.

[RandoRando]

Try out the demo for FL studio 10. Great, very friendly UI and can rewire reason into it.

[Cadaver]

Thanks for the speedy responses guys, and Legend4ry, I do have Ableton, but I hate how its layed out, if I rewire do have to like draw out everything in Reaper?




>>>>>>also is it possible to use Scream 4 on a VST then?

[kaiori breathe]

If you're not keen on ableton your best bet is probably fruity loops, easiest lay out to work with i think, but it's different for everyone. I use fruity loops and reason together a lot and I think they make a nice team. LFOs are really easy to work with in fruity loops, not sure about the others that have been mentioned because i haven't much experience with them, but with fruity loops it's literally so easy that it almost feels wrong - like punching children. Renoise works well too but jumping between its layout and the way you work in it to something like reason can be a bit nauseating after a while. Best thing to do is probably just try out some demos.

[Laika]

Just route thor through malstrom which has a large collection of unique lfo shapes...

[hudson]

I'm not fond of Ableton's layout either, but I always use it when I'm rewiring. It's so much easier than all the routing and stuff you have to do in Reaper. I'm slowly getting used to Ableton though.

[Discern]

Renoise, Reaper, Ableton?

[lyons238]

Just route thor through malstrom which has a large collection of unique lfo shapes...

this

but if you must get another daw my top pics would go like this

1. ableton/logic - both would be great
2. fl - nice if you got a pc
3. reaper - free if you keep usin the demo or 40 bucks for the license

[freakah]

Studio One has the best rewire of reason I've seen in all the DAW's I've used, makes it so simple...

[Cadaver]

I hate the fact that making the basses causes me to Re-wire and over complicate everything ;_;....

thanks guys......

Can you give me more information on Studio One?

Also I will try out that Maelstrom idea, anymore tips would be appreciated If i haded my way, I wouldn't rewire.

[jrisreal]

you could draw in automation instead of using Thor's LFO's. should solve your problem, but will take extra time and effort to get things done.

[Cadaver]

you could draw in automation instead of using Thor's LFO's. should solve your problem, but will take extra time and effort to get things done.

I feel like i can get the it to be fast enough without it being like wierd sounding, cant describe it.

[freakah]

I hate the fact that making the basses causes me to Re-wire and over complicate everything ;_;....

thanks guys......

Can you give me more information on Studio One?

Also I will try out that Maelstrom idea, anymore tips would be appreciated If i haded my way, I wouldn't rewire.

http://www.presonus.com/products/Softwa ... twareId=11



There's that and a couple more videos about rewiring between them but it just clicked with me, seemed to make rewiring so damn simple!

[Cadaver]

I hate the fact that making the basses causes me to Re-wire and over complicate everything ;_;....

thanks guys......

Can you give me more information on Studio One?

Also I will try out that Maelstrom idea, anymore tips would be appreciated If i haded my way, I wouldn't rewire.

http://www.presonus.com/products/Softwa ... twareId=11



There's that and a couple more videos about rewiring between them but it just clicked with me, seemed to make rewiring so damn simple!

GOOD SHIT, have you bought it?

[-[2]DAY_-]

ReWire is stupidly easy and is no different than printing audio to a channel in your DAW via any other softsynth/sampler. all you do is select a track to record to, set its inputs to Reason's out L&R (or just L if Mono), and go.

I hate the fact that making the basses causes me to Re-wire and over complicate everything

ReWire has nothing to do with making basses or modulating sounds. It's just basically hooking up Reason to a DAW so that you may track its output to audio.

As far as basses in Thor, IMO you won't gain anything from other VSTi's. Use Maelstrom's LFO shapes if Thor's are not doing the job. You can also use Thor's step sequencer to modulate LFO rate, or modulate between two different modulators, for instance. For example, in a combi, perhaps maelstrom's modulator A is assigned to filter 1 cutoff in Thor via Thor's mod matrix (cv input 1). The last slot is "scale" or, "how much to modulate based on x" x being a second modulator. So make that 100% and assign it to the step sequencer curve 1.

Then, maybe Maelstrom's mod B is also assigned to Thor filter 1 cutoff (coming from cv input 2). Maybe its a different shape and/or rate. Set the scale of that one to -100% (opposite the first one), based on Thor's step sequencer curve 1 as well.
Now, you can dial in values on the step sequencer curve that will automatically switch between the two modulators hitting the filter cutoff, as the pattern plays out. your filter will be bouncing all over the place. Values between 0 and 100% on the step seq. will give you a crossfade between the two of maelstrom's LFOs. Much like the built in LFO wave crossfades in NI Massive.

Just saying, you don't need more LFOs than reaosn has, and that's no reason to seek new kit. u just gotta dig.


EDIT: as per the OP, the DAW i've seen look and act closest to Reason (besides Record) is Cubase, and it's a fine piece of software. Very capable.

[Cadaver]

ReWire is stupidly easy and is no different than printing audio to a channel in your DAW via any other softsynth/sampler. all you do is select a track to record to, set its inputs to Reason's out L&R (or just L if Mono), and go.

I hate the fact that making the basses causes me to Re-wire and over complicate everything

ReWire has nothing to do with making basses or modulating sounds. It's just basically hooking up Reason to a DAW so that you may track its output to audio.

As far as basses in Thor, IMO you won't gain anything from other VSTi's. Use Maelstrom's LFO shapes if Thor's are not doing the job. You can also use Thor's step sequencer to modulate LFO rate, or modulate between two different modulators, for instance. For example, in a combi, perhaps maelstrom's modulator A is assigned to filter 1 cutoff in Thor via Thor's mod matrix (cv input 1). The last slot is "scale" or, "how much to modulate based on x" x being a second modulator. So make that 100% and assign it to the step sequencer curve 1.

Then, maybe Maelstrom's mod B is also assigned to Thor filter 1 cutoff (coming from cv input 2). Maybe its a different shape and/or rate. Set the scale of that one to -100% (opposite the first one), based on Thor's step sequencer curve 1 as well.
Now, you can dial in values on the step sequencer curve that will automatically switch between the two modulators hitting the filter cutoff, as the pattern plays out. your filter will be bouncing all over the place. Values between 0 and 100% on the step seq. will give you a crossfade between the two of maelstrom's LFOs. Much like the built in LFO wave crossfades in NI Massive.

Just saying, you don't need more LFOs than reaosn has, and that's no reason to seek new kit. u just gotta dig.







EDIT: as per the OP, the DAW i've seen look and act closest to Reason (besides Record) is Cubase, and it's a fine piece of software. Very capable.

THIS^^ I like, mind to do some visuals please? thank you.

[Cadaver]

ReWire is stupidly easy and is no different than printing audio to a channel in your DAW via any other softsynth/sampler. all you do is select a track to record to, set its inputs to Reason's out L&R (or just L if Mono), and go.

I hate the fact that making the basses causes me to Re-wire and over complicate everything

ReWire has nothing to do with making basses or modulating sounds. It's just basically hooking up Reason to a DAW so that you may track its output to audio.

As far as basses in Thor, IMO you won't gain anything from other VSTi's. Use Maelstrom's LFO shapes if Thor's are not doing the job. You can also use Thor's step sequencer to modulate LFO rate, or modulate between two different modulators, for instance. For example, in a combi, perhaps maelstrom's modulator A is assigned to filter 1 cutoff in Thor via Thor's mod matrix (cv input 1). The last slot is "scale" or, "how much to modulate based on x" x being a second modulator. So make that 100% and assign it to the step sequencer curve 1.

Then, maybe Maelstrom's mod B is also assigned to Thor filter 1 cutoff (coming from cv input 2). Maybe its a different shape and/or rate. Set the scale of that one to -100% (opposite the first one), based on Thor's step sequencer curve 1 as well.
Now, you can dial in values on the step sequencer curve that will automatically switch between the two modulators hitting the filter cutoff, as the pattern plays out. your filter will be bouncing all over the place. Values between 0 and 100% on the step seq. will give you a crossfade between the two of maelstrom's LFOs. Much like the built in LFO wave crossfades in NI Massive.

Just saying, you don't need more LFOs than reaosn has, and that's no reason to seek new kit. u just gotta dig.







EDIT: as per the OP, the DAW i've seen look and act closest to Reason (besides Record) is Cubase, and it's a fine piece of software. Very capable.

THIS^^ I like, mind to do some visuals please? thank you.

Oh never mind i figured it out, but if you like do the visuals for those who don't understand.

[paradigm001]

Theres a copy of CUBASE 5 stripped down floating on the web. You should grab it and try it out. Its what I do rewire reason into CUBASE. Sometimes I do the automation in Reason and sometimes I do it in Cubase. But thats a place to start. Let me know if you need some help finding the software.

[-[2]DAY_-]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/frh3tf Link to a Reason rack i just did showing some of those modulations. The application here is pretty simple/blah but the concept is there, and with minor adjustments u can do some heavy shit. Sorry, it's Reason v4.
Here is the combi patch: http://www.sendspace.com/file/o611tp

Hope you v5 guys can use that. took screenshots too but theyre pretty useless-looking. And interestingly enough, fileshare sites are way easier to use than photobucket type shit, so i dunno ill post em if i can sort that shit out. safe