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Aquathesis wrote:To the guy that said you could do it all in massive, and then linked the youtube video, that video does exactly what the post you were coming back too said, it layers a sine sub under the lead. It just does it all in one instance of massive, not unique to the synth, kinda fgures it was a given you could do it that way too, considerng.
No. Because if you want to distort the bass sound or use a bitcrusher or whatever then it'll distort the sub too - which is never good. Subs are CLEAN
To be fair, he did say 'use a multiband compressor to split thr fequency'... now, just for aminute, if we let it slide and assume he meant linear phase EQ, his way makes sense. But still. Exactly what you said, harmonic interference, wierd summing values, alot easier if you just leave it clean.
And you also have to consider that something that high pitched and something that low pitched arent going to have a set distance apart in the mixdown, you might set the high end oscillator in your synth to 50% volume and the sub bass one to 33% volume, but then later on down the line add a pad that takes focus away from the lead, or a kick that distracts from the sub, and then what? You have to adjust your osc volume in the synth, the entire effects chain to compensate for that, vs. just adjust it on the mixer before that summng bus mentioned in the Basic A. post.
Aquathesis wrote:To the guy that said you could do it all in massive, and then linked the youtube video, that video does exactly what the post you were coming back too said, it layers a sine sub under the lead. It just does it all in one instance of massive, not unique to the synth, kinda fgures it was a given you could do it that way too, considerng.
No. Because if you want to distort the bass sound or use a bitcrusher or whatever then it'll distort the sub too - which is never good. Subs are CLEAN
Aquathesis wrote:To the guy that said you could do it all in massive, and then linked the youtube video, that video does exactly what the post you were coming back too said, it layers a sine sub under the lead. It just does it all in one instance of massive, not unique to the synth, kinda fgures it was a given you could do it that way too, considerng.
No. Because if you want to distort the bass sound or use a bitcrusher or whatever then it'll distort the sub too - which is never good. Subs are CLEAN
That's what the routing tab is for.
Also see my fat reese tutorial.
The routing tab doesnt change anything? Either way, it will still be one signal, sub and lead coming out of massive? Brings up the whole external effects / mix levelling issues I was just on about.
I asume we are talking about massive. The only bitcrusher on there is the insert fx. So yeah just put it on a OSC that you want to distort. (if you mean on a mixer channel, simply split the signal).
thor_beatz wrote:I asume we are talking about massive. The only bitcrusher on there is the insert fx. So yeah just put it on a OSC that you want to distort. (if you mean on a mixer channel, simply split the signal).
So you mean to run the sub and mid through separate filters then add bitcrush as an insert then change the insert routing so it goes through the same filter as the mid?ive never thought of using the inserts like that before.
I always leave my subs clean. I do usually roll off my dirt basses and layer with a sub. But if you are doing this simple patch, it's not needed. Like I said, the patch I described is the exact flux patch and if you are just wanting that sound there is no need for extra fx, so there is no need to layer the sub. When I was talking about using the multiband, that was simply to split the freqs, not to alter the sub in any way.
CBK81 wrote:I always leave my subs clean. I do usually roll off my dirt basses and layer with a sub. But if you are doing this simple patch, it's not needed. Like I said, the patch I described is the exact flux patch and if you are just wanting that sound there is no need for extra fx, so there is no need to layer the sub. When I was talking about using the multiband, that was simply to split the freqs, not to alter the sub in any way.
Im saying, you want them on seperate mixer tracks for control, for the simple reason you mix a lead and a sub differently, you wouldnt really wanna do it in one synth, get me?
CBK81 wrote:I always leave my subs clean. I do usually roll off my dirt basses and layer with a sub. But if you are doing this simple patch, it's not needed. Like I said, the patch I described is the exact flux patch and if you are just wanting that sound there is no need for extra fx, so there is no need to layer the sub. When I was talking about using the multiband, that was simply to split the freqs, not to alter the sub in any way.
Im saying, you want them on seperate mixer tracks for control, for the simple reason you mix a lead and a sub differently, you wouldnt really wanna do it in one synth, get me?
Basic A wrote:Okay, Ill be serious for you as NOONE else is going to.
Its not a bass. Its a lead, layered with a sub. You gotta grasp that. The fact is most brostep sounds are so high frequency now they couldnt move a tweeter much less a sub, and layering with a real sine sub is the golden ticket here. Its not 'ringy' and 'bassy' there is one element thatringy, one thats bassy, and thier in synchronicity with each other tricking you into percieving it as one thing.
So get a good lead. Use some ring modulation, short phase delays, bitcrushing, ect to get it good and ringy, then make another synth, get a good sine sub, and copy the midi for your lead too it. Route them to the same summing bus in your mixer, and put a bit of a warmer/exciter on it to glue them together.
That's not necessarily true. It's possible to create patches that have heavy bass in addition to the high/lead sound. It's all about tweaking your oscillators. High Rankin explains it here:
@3:19
Thanks for the video, High Rankin seems pretty nice/funny.
Basic A wrote:Okay, Ill be serious for you as NOONE else is going to.
Its not a bass. Its a lead, layered with a sub. You gotta grasp that. The fact is most brostep sounds are so high frequency now they couldnt move a tweeter much less a sub, and layering with a real sine sub is the golden ticket here. Its not 'ringy' and 'bassy' there is one element thatringy, one thats bassy, and thier in synchronicity with each other tricking you into percieving it as one thing.
So get a good lead. Use some ring modulation, short phase delays, bitcrushing, ect to get it good and ringy, then make another synth, get a good sine sub, and copy the midi for your lead too it. Route them to the same summing bus in your mixer, and put a bit of a warmer/exciter on it to glue them together.
That's not necessarily true. It's possible to create patches that have heavy bass in addition to the high/lead sound. It's all about tweaking your oscillators. High Rankin explains it here:
@3:19
Thanks for the video, High Rankin seems pretty nice/funny.
Cool video and nicely done, but at no point does he actually demonstrate your point. And for me (listening in me sennheisers) they weren't bassy enough actually. Needed a sub underneath for sure. They had a nice ringy quality but not that punch in the kidneys below. And it's the sub, not kick, that gives that low end punch. Kick's aren't really that low endy at all (in relation to your sub). They just seem it because the art to clever production is to match your kick and bass pattern (just like Flea n Chad SMith yeeeeah )
Basic A wrote:Okay, Ill be serious for you as NOONE else is going to.
Its not a bass. Its a lead, layered with a sub. You gotta grasp that. The fact is most brostep sounds are so high frequency now they couldnt move a tweeter much less a sub, and layering with a real sine sub is the golden ticket here. Its not 'ringy' and 'bassy' there is one element thatringy, one thats bassy, and thier in synchronicity with each other tricking you into percieving it as one thing.
So get a good lead. Use some ring modulation, short phase delays, bitcrushing, ect to get it good and ringy, then make another synth, get a good sine sub, and copy the midi for your lead too it. Route them to the same summing bus in your mixer, and put a bit of a warmer/exciter on it to glue them together.
something like that. it sounds like two square waves. one is like 4 octaves higher
or some form of LFO on like 1/128 notes.
pete bubonic wrote:Thor, the beat in you sig is exceptionally well put together. Props. Not my kinda thing, but very well done.
Cheers!
Aquathesis wrote:Im saying, you want them on seperate mixer tracks for control, for the simple reason you mix a lead and a sub differently, you wouldnt really wanna do it in one synth, get me?
Like I said; no reason not to split frequencies on a mixer... But you can simply have 1 synth doing 3 different things when you use a synth like massive with flexible routing. Saves me time and is ideal for resampling. having to clone midi, add midi when resampled, all a bit cumbersome to me.
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