UK riots

[pkay]

By the time you're using real bullets, isn't killing an intention?

by not a murder weapon I'm comparing to an assault rifle... a 9mm can be used to subdue not kill only

9mm vs 45mm from an m-16. Completely different approaches in the form of law enforcement.

Speaking only from military experience if you need to wound and subdue a 9mm round is easily survivable in most areas of the body baring vital organs. Where as 1 shot from an m16 can kill you literally anywhere on the body.

Functionally, in law enforcement, there is little difference between a beretta and an mp5 outside of the mp5's full auto.

Both 9mm and 5.56 which an m16 uses can kill you with one shot, both pretty weak rounds though and thats why theyre used, mainly to incappacitate rather than kill.

you've obviously never seen anyone shot by an m16. you rarely get injured by m16 rounds.

the power differential between an m16 and an mp5 is very very large.

body armor can stop mp5 rounds

most body armor is defeated by m16 rounds

[wizeguy]

the guy had one bullet in his gun... he'd have to be a good shot to pull that out and do any damage from inside of a car

[pkay]

to brighten the day some

http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

[charleswpeck]

pkay knows bout guns.

I can confirm it, because I use 5.56mm rounds in Fallout, and sometimes get 1 shot kills.

Xuanlong Assault Rifle that you collect from Jury Street Metro Station after solving Prime's riddle in the Museum of History, blud?

This made me smile. Cheers

[joeki]

also,
can you imagine Metropolitan police coming out on sunday or yesterday, saying they shot an unarmed man?
What would have happened (or still will happen) then? I think this whole thing stinks.... and as I said before, they have an unfortunate history.

Duggan runs into a checkpoint checking for illegal firearms. He's carrying it for reasons not completely known yet, but word is his cousin was killed shortly before...perhaps he felt threatened...he's described as a good man "just fending for his family". And he's at the wrong place at the wrong time with an illegal firearm. Maybe he reacted unwisely? But he was shot innit? With an mp5 (and killed which renders this entire discussion about the purpose of an mp5 useless, he's dead!). The police don't come out immediately with an explanation, something the situation warranted to be honest;
The family and friends, rightly demand an answer. Some people abuse all this for their own agenda's and you have 3 days of rioting on your hands. What do the police do now? Do they come out with the truth with the risk of starting a whole new (perhaps warranted?) riot?

You see my point here, something is fishy.

[Mr Hyde]

^^^^^^^^^^
you don't really get random checkpoints with machine gun police around london, think they were specifically after him

[JBoy]

By the time you're using real bullets, isn't killing an intention?

by not a murder weapon I'm comparing to an assault rifle... a 9mm can be used to subdue not kill only

9mm vs 45mm from an m-16. Completely different approaches in the form of law enforcement.

Speaking only from military experience if you need to wound and subdue a 9mm round is easily survivable in most areas of the body baring vital organs. Where as 1 shot from an m16 can kill you literally anywhere on the body.

Functionally, in law enforcement, there is little difference between a beretta and an mp5 outside of the mp5's full auto.

Both 9mm and 5.56 which an m16 uses can kill you with one shot, both pretty weak rounds though and thats why theyre used, mainly to incappacitate rather than kill.

you've obviously never seen anyone shot by an m16. you rarely get injured by m16 rounds.

the power differential between an m16 and an mp5 is very very large.

body armor can stop mp5 rounds

most body armor is defeated by m16 rounds

Mate what the fuck are you about really, not to boast but i was in the army for five years and without getting into it ive seen what a 5.56 round can do to people and i confirm it does kill. Ive also seen british body armour and helmets take AK rounds so i dont know where youre getting your facts and information from lol.

[pkay]

also,
can you imagine Metropolitan police coming out on sunday or yesterday, saying they shot an unarmed man?
What would have happened (or still will happen) then? I think this whole thing stinks.... and as I said before, they have an unfortunate history.

Duggan runs into a checkpoint checking for illegal firearms. He's carrying it for reasons not completely known yet, but word is his cousin was killed shortly before...perhaps he felt threatened...he's described as a good man "just fending for his family". And he's at the wrong place at the wrong time with an illegal firearm. Maybe he reacted unwisely? But he was shot innit? With an mp5 (and killed which renders this entire discussion about the purpose of an mp5 useless, he's dead!). The police don't come out immediately with an explanation, something the situation warranted to be honest;
The family and friends, rightly demand an answer. Some people abuse all this for their own agenda's and you have 3 days of rioting on your hands. What do the police do now? Do they come out with the truth with the risk of starting a whole new (perhaps warranted?) riot?

You see my point here, something is fishy.

I'm not denying that an mp5 can shoot someone dead. But your original post was made to act like the mp5 was a firearm that was on par with a tommy gun or a sniper rifle or something completely unreasonable for police to have been using to police the streets, when its used in the same avenues as your standard hand gun. Single shot, 9mm, just looks scarier (obviously works as you went stratight for the 'its a sub machine gun').

[skevin]

from what i can tell, appears to be stuff still happening in some places this evening but massive police presence.

it might die down over the next few days but it seems likely it will all flair up again

so much information on the internet about it and i bet a lot of the things that happen aren't reported

[borrowed]

The police dont use the automatic setting on the mp5 because after 2-3 rounds the weapon becomes uncontrollable.

Why can't they produce them without this function then? Seeing as it's not to be used

Not to sound like an armchair commando here, but most fire in gunfights is suppressive, so depending on the situation a full out automatic mode can have its uses.

[pkay]

Mate what the fuck are you about really, not to boast but i was in the army for five years and without getting into it ive seen what a 5.56 round can do to people and i confirm it does kill. Ive also seen british body armour and helmets take AK rounds so i dont know where youre getting your facts and information from lol.

Then you're aware a 5.56 is nothing on par with a 9mm.

Both 9mm and 5.56 which an m16 uses can kill you with one shot, both pretty weak rounds though and thats why theyre used, mainly to incappacitate rather than kill.

is false

i'd gather 70% of the insurgents killed in Iraq and Afghanistan were killed with a 5.56 shot from an m16.

My facts come from my time spent in afghanistan

[JBoy]

The police dont use the automatic setting on the mp5 because after 2-3 rounds the weapon becomes uncontrollable.

Why can't they produce them without this function then? Seeing as it's not to be used

Not to sound like an armchair commando here, but most fire in gunfights is suppressive, so depending on the situation a full out automatic mode can have its uses.

Exactly, semi automatic shots can be fired as quick as you pull the trigger and are more accurate. Automatic is only used for close up to repell, You very rarely see who you are shooting at in those situations, maybe just a muzzle flash hundreds of yards away so like you say its just for suppression.

[Lichee]

The police dont use the automatic setting on the mp5 because after 2-3 rounds the weapon becomes uncontrollable.

Why can't they produce them without this function then? Seeing as it's not to be used

Not to sound like an armchair commando here, but most fire in gunfights is suppressive, so depending on the situation a full out automatic mode can have its uses.

red tiger camo and a silencer

[Skullbussa]

OK, so my other thread got closed.

Now here is my question:

Why aren't people getting into the streets and blocking these assholes from pillaging? If some goon was throwing rocks into my friend's storefront you can bet your ass that there would be a gang of people there to help protect the store owner.

Is this happening at all?

[pkay]

OK, so my other thread got closed.

Now here is my question:

Why aren't people getting into the streets and blocking these assholes from pillaging? If some goon was throwing rocks into my friend's storefront you can bet your ass that there would be a gang of people there to help protect the store owner.

Is this happening at all?

some did last night... theres some pics in this thread of a group of turks blocking off their streets.

from the sounds of twitter there are going to be groups organizing to do the same

[wub]

OK, so my other thread got closed.

Now here is my question:

Why aren't people getting into the streets and blocking these assholes from pillaging? If some goon was throwing rocks into my friend's storefront you can bet your ass that there would be a gang of people there to help protect the store owner.

Is this happening at all?

Yes - it's been mentioned over the course of this thread. Try reading back.

[joeki]

Fair enough Pkay, I see your point. Indeed, it's not an uncommon policing weapon. Even here in Belgium police force in Brussels around NATO etc. is equipped with mp5's. It sure as hell isn't a P-90 or steyr AUG. And It would occur natural that policing forces wouldn't use it in a fully automatic mode (It could be that police around the world, with the exception of special forces (as I said, the SAS) just aren't allowed to use fully automatic weapons...not sure about that). Still, it is a lethal weapon.

As to him being the target of the operation, rather then an unfortunate "victim" of it. Could be, doesn't have to change the situation and conclusion I draw here very much though...is there anyone who could shed some light on that question?

[wub]

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That is fucking disturbing.

[Lichee]

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That is fucking disturbing.

a mate showed me this earlier

http://london.craigslist.co.uk/mob/2536072357.html

[pkay]

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That is fucking disturbing.

be glad you don't have rifles at walmart