Aliens, ghosts etc

[cityzen]

If ghosts are real so are magical flying multicoloured breakdancing elephants. Except you can't see them and they have no means of being detected and leave no trace of their existence nor consume anything.

If you are going to start using false positives as an argumentative basis for the possible existence of ghosts then you can do the same for anything that you imagination could possibly conjure.

Yes indeed, but my argument based on false positives is merely a tool to reflect the flawed logic in therapist's original statement that I picked up on.

Also, this

if there is no evidence one way or another then surely the sensible stance is to assume they do not exist, otherwise you may as well randomly select anything that you have made up in your head with no evidence and believe in it. Seems immensely daft

Indeed, although the difference being is that ghosts have been experienced by many thousands of people and thing that one makes up in one's head has only been experienced by the individual.

[hifi]

Do you believe in them?

I used to be cynical of anything which was beyond the realms of scientific logic, however I'm starting to wonder, especially with aliens.

I've heard stories of people seeing alien aircraft, and also about aliens living under the earth.

IMO IF and it's a big if, they do existI think they're largely benevelont and come to the earth to gather resources. They're probably largely scared of us more than we're curious of them. I dunno though don't doubt that there's not malevelont lifeforms in the universe I just think they're not advanced enough technologically to reach us.

Discuss.

if there were aliens roaming around earth secretly they would have to be far ahead of us in evolution. like 10,000 years ahead maybe even more and far more intelligent. i sort of believe in ghosts not really sure. one time i woke up and i saw the girl from the ring looking at me while i was in my bunk bed and she was down below. i was so scared i pinched myself to see if it was a dream but felt the pain and knew it wasn't, i could have just been hallucinating but it was some real scary shit. i do believe in higher life forms than ourselves or some sort of life on another planet. possibly in a new dimension these beings could be made of light i don't know it's insane what i have been reading lately.

[Fused Productions]

one time i woke up and i saw the girl from the ring looking at me while i was in my bunk bed and she was down below. i was so scared i pinched myself to see if it was a dream but felt the pain and knew it wasn't, i could have just been hallucinating but it was some real scary shit.

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[therapist]

Can you prove that ghosts do not exist?
No, you can't.
Can you then say to me there is no chance, however remote, that ghosts exist?
No, you can't.
But you are trying to, hence - your logic is sub par.

I would bring you back to the example of the black swan but I think it would be wasted on you.

I never claimed I can disprove it, I don't know how many times I need to say that, you're just moving the goalposts there. I asked what reason anyone could have to believe they exist, and didn't agree with your response.

Enough with the condescending twat routine, really, not very zen is it.

[cityzen]

I mean, let's simplify the argument, because it seems a few of you are having trouble with it -

Scenario 1
Person A: Ghosts absolutely do not exist.
Person B: How can you be so sure?
Person A: I just am.

Scenario 2
Person A: Ghosts are real.
Person B: Oh cool, how do you know?
Person A: This guy I met a this bar one time swore he saw one and I believe him.

Now, you'll notice that in both scenarios 'person A' is an idiot. In both scenarios they are willing to believe something as if it were an absolute truth (water is wet, high heat is hot etc). In both cases they have removed all doubt and they are 100% sure their statement is true with no basis in fact.
What i'm saying is, most people who say that something is not real are 99.9% sure, but there still remains the 0.1% of doubt.
If anyone says to me that they are 100% sure that ghosts do not exist then I say you are a fool.

[therapist]

Oh, so we could have stopped this when I said it's a negligible chance. If you'd just said "yeah they could exist, but it's less likely than superman/spiderman/batman existing" I would have thought fair enough.

[hifi]

one time i woke up and i saw the girl from the ring looking at me while i was in my bunk bed and she was down below. i was so scared i pinched myself to see if it was a dream but felt the pain and knew it wasn't, i could have just been hallucinating but it was some real scary shit.

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before i did drugs. way before when i was too pussy to do shit other than play video games.

[Caski]

the concept of ghosts must have come from somewhere many years ago though, yes it could be made up or yes it could be cheesecake

[Mr Hyde]

Ghosts might not be real but it looks like the Devil is alive and kicking (or perhaps its just the rap music):

‘Devil’ son raped his own mother
A son thought he was the devil when he gouged out his mother’s eyes and raped her, a jury has heard.
The 23-year-old attacked his mother as she sat on the sofa before running naked out of the family home and launching himself at passing cars.
When police arrived at the house they discovered his 53-year-old mother, a health care assistant, covered in blood and blinded.
The son lay injured by the side of the road ‘mouthing strange words’ and seeming possessed, Reading crown court heard. Later, in a police cell he claimed he was the devil.
The jury was told that although the man had committed the crimes, he could be found not guilty on the grounds that he was insane. Neither person can be named for legal reasons.
Alan Blake, prosecuting, said the mother and son had a ‘toxic’ relationship.
The man spent a lot of time in his room, obsessed with rap music. When police went to the house in Slough, Berkshire, last November they were confronted with a ‘horrific’ scene.
Doctors could not save her sight and had to remove her eyeballs.
The trial continues.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/872455-devi ... own-mother

[fassyman]

If anyone says to me that they are 100% sure that ghosts do not exist then I say you are a fool.

ghosts are fictional, they were made up by man, just like big foot, unicorns, fariys and such...

this is a statement of fact.

[youthful_implants]

Ghosts might not be real but it looks like the Devil is alive and kicking (or perhaps its just the rap music):

‘Devil’ son raped his own mother
A son thought he was the devil when he gouged out his mother’s eyes and raped her, a jury has heard.
The 23-year-old attacked his mother as she sat on the sofa before running naked out of the family home and launching himself at passing cars.
When police arrived at the house they discovered his 53-year-old mother, a health care assistant, covered in blood and blinded.
The son lay injured by the side of the road ‘mouthing strange words’ and seeming possessed, Reading crown court heard. Later, in a police cell he claimed he was the devil.
The jury was told that although the man had committed the crimes, he could be found not guilty on the grounds that he was insane. Neither person can be named for legal reasons.
Alan Blake, prosecuting, said the mother and son had a ‘toxic’ relationship.
The man spent a lot of time in his room, obsessed with rap music. When police went to the house in Slough, Berkshire, last November they were confronted with a ‘horrific’ scene.
Doctors could not save her sight and had to remove her eyeballs.
The trial continues.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/872455-devi ... own-mother

sounds like serious psychosis. thats fucking darkside.

[RandoRando]

If ghost dont exist, explain the millions of videos and pictures of them...maybe its just the word "ghost" that gets too people..

what if i put it this way, we all know energy cannot be created or destroyed, so when you die where does your energy go?

if extremely giant balls of fire are in the sky, 9 other extremly huge planets that are just made of gas that human beings cannot go on, and one million billion other stars and solar systems in this galaxy, yes GALAXY,


..why cant unmanifested energy, or other intelligent lifeforms to exist?

i cant understand people who think that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in existnce, when we havent even grazed the surface of this giant fucking universe that we are just a tiny little speck of...

[magma]

You're brilliant, Rando. I love you.

The conservation of energy 101: When you die, your "energy" gets absorbed by the things that eat and decompose you... mainly small animals and bacteria. Or if you're cremated, it turns into light and heat.

Oh, and there are only 7 other planets in the Solar System.

[hugh]

If ghost dont exist, explain the millions of videos and pictures of them...maybe its just the word "ghost" that gets too people..

what if i put it this way, we all know energy cannot be created or destroyed, so when you die where does your energy go?

if extremely giant balls of fire are in the sky, 9 other extremly huge planets that are just made of gas that human beings cannot go on, and one million billion other stars and solar systems in this galaxy, yes GALAXY,


..why cant unmanifested energy, or other intelligent lifeforms to exist?

i cant understand people who think that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in existnce, when we havent even grazed the surface of this giant fucking universe that we are just a tiny little speck of...

I know you probably thought this was a really profound post but it isn't. I don't even understand how you've managed to link ghosts and aliens via talking about the galaxy.
Explain why there are no videos of ghosts during the day, why almost every ghost picture is blurry and photoshopped, why no ghost has ever been caught on terrestrial camera? Why no ghost has ever been caught on CCTV? Why no ghost has ever undeniably shown up at a party/any large social gathering so that at least more than 2 easily suggestible people can see it?

what if i put it this way, we all know energy cannot be created or destroyed, so when you die where does your energy go?

duh, we all end up in heaven.

[d-T-r]

i think he's referring to your 'spirit' or 'soul' or the seat of your consciousness.

consciousness and it's distribution is something we 'know' very little about. Of course it's good practice to use logic in the process of elimination of what 'is', but if the logic was biased to begin with, as will the conclusion be.

not believing in something is fine, but not believing and not investigating it fully isn't going to help much. even if you come to the conlusion you began with , its better to throw yourself into it to find out.

We've learnt a lot over the last 10 thousand years or so too feel the permission to make assumptions based on previously 'known' concepts, but to assert a definitive view-point on something as dynamic and mulit-faced as 'energy' and the consciousness that sprung from within it ,from just 1 singular vantage point, is to jump the universal gun just a bit.

[Electric_Head]

You're brilliant, Rando. I love you.

The conservation of energy 101: When you die, your "energy" gets absorbed by the things that eat and decompose you... mainly small animals and bacteria. Or if you're cremated, it turns into light and heat.

Oh, and there are only 7 other planets in the Solar System.

Personally I`m turning into compost to feed the worms.

[Genevieve]

This been posted yet?

You're brilliant, Rando. I love you.

The conservation of energy 101: When you die, your "energy" gets absorbed by the things that eat and decompose you... mainly small animals and bacteria. Or if you're cremated, it turns into light and heat.

Oh, and there are only 7 other planets in the Solar System.

Yeah, it's funny, 'cause people don't ever seem to question where the energy of grass or steaks go to.

[hugh]

i think he's referring to your 'spirit' or 'soul' or the seat of your consciousness.

consciousness and it's distribution is something we 'know' very little about. Of course it's good practice to use logic in the process of elimination of what 'is', but if the logic was biased to begin with, as will the conclusion be.

not believing in something is fine, but not believing and not investigating it fully isn't going to help much. even if you come to the conlusion you began with , its better to throw yourself into it to find out.

We've learnt a lot over the last 10 thousand years or so too feel the permission to make assumptions based on previously 'known' concepts, but to assert a definitive view-point on something as dynamic and mulit-faced as 'energy' and the consciousness that sprung from within it ,from just 1 singular vantage point, is to jump the universal gun just a bit.

What are you on about? Noone is even talking about what constitutes or enables conciousness. Writing in riddles and weird prose doesn't make anything you are saying have any validity
The "multifaced" nature of energy? Care to elaborate what you mean here? We never just lose energy randomly to unknown circumstances so I don't understand why you think we have something "missing" there. Conservation is always explicable.
It's actually ridiculously hard to follow what you are saying, what do you mean by 1 singular vantage point? Our dimensions? Or do you not actually mean anything by it and now you are going to jump on whatever random idea pops into your head (heck I just gave you one...)

Personally, I just believe conciousness is the manifestation of the logic gates in our mind, which are self referential. I don't think our mind is too different from the way binary is converted into code and text, just that it does it a lot more efficiently and to a much greater level of complexity. It's not that difficult to make a "self aware" A.I. thesedays, however the AI we create is not based on biological mathematical concepts but on physical mathematical concepts. It has conciousness in some sense.

[raboonthebaboon]

Explain why there are no videos of ghosts during the day

mj doing the ghost moonwalk
alsos, ur an idiotz

[hugh]

Explain why there are no videos of ghosts during the day

mj doing the ghost moonwalk
alsos, ur an idiotz

That's quite clearly a shadow that originates from down the hall. The shadow carries onto the floor and towards the camera. I'm talking about a close up, undeniable encounter with a corporeal form. Not some fucking bullshit shadow cast from down the hall.
The real question is, why are people so happy to believe in ghosts? It's something I cannot fathom.