UK riots

[pkay]

So they'll be out in what a year or two with good behavior? fuck off thats a legit punishment

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery. That's death in a lot of countries. About 5-10 years in the US. Some of the punishments I've read about seem pretty fucking light considering they contributed to putting one of the most modern cities in the world under siege.

[scspkr99]

So they'll be out in what a year or two with good behavior? fuck off thats a legit punishment

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery. That's death in a lot of countries. About 5-10 years in the US. Some of the punishments I've read about seem pretty fucking light considering they contributed to putting one of the most modern cities in the world under siege.

what has armed robbery got to do with two people posting on facebook? No riots occurred as a result of those posts irrespective of the actual intent and in the US they'd probably be protected by the 1st amendment

[noam]

So they'll be out in what a year or two with good behavior? fuck off thats a legit punishment

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery. That's death in a lot of countries. About 5-10 years in the US. Some of the punishments I've read about seem pretty fucking light considering they contributed to putting one of the most modern cities in the world under siege.

drawing analogy between 'one of the most modern cities in the world' and 'death in a lot of countries' (meaning arab states most likely) is puerile

its apparent to everyone they're treating these cases much more harshly than if they were committed under normal circumstances

i think most people are angry about the lack of consistency in punishment

if you're from a deprived area and looted your local footlocker you'll get months in prison

if you dont pay millions in tax, rob from public spending accounts to fund private holidays/hobbies/extravagances you get diddly squat and carry on as normal

the disparity between rich and poor, important and unimportant is overwhelming and CAN be represented in action, first hand by the riots, should you accept that as a legitimate causal factor

and those guys will probably appeal, have their sentence cut to 6months and be out in 3 for good behaviour

they'll still have a conviction on their record for life though

[pkay]

So they'll be out in what a year or two with good behavior? fuck off thats a legit punishment

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery. That's death in a lot of countries. About 5-10 years in the US. Some of the punishments I've read about seem pretty fucking light considering they contributed to putting one of the most modern cities in the world under siege.

drawing analogy between 'one of the most modern cities in the world' and 'death in a lot of countries' (meaning arab states most likely) is puerile

its apparent to everyone they're treating these cases much more harshly than if they were committed under normal circumstances

i think most people are angry about the lack of consistency in punishment

if you're from a deprived area and looted your local footlocker you'll get months in prison

if you dont pay millions in tax, rob from public spending accounts to fund private holidays/hobbies/extravagances you get diddly squat and carry on as normal

the disparity between rich and poor, important and unimportant is overwhelming and CAN be represented in action, first hand by the riots, should you accept that as a legitimate causal factor

and those guys will probably appeal, have their sentence cut to 6months and be out in 3 for good behaviour

they'll still have a conviction on their record for life though

but they didn't just rob a footlocker did they?

They contributed in terrorizing a massive city. It is not a normal situation and should not be treated as such.

Keep in mind half of you didn't even want to go out for 3 days, some mentioned having trouble getting food because places were closed, some missed work, some lost money.

That doesn't happen when average joe sneaks a pair of air force 1's from the store.

If you participate in baking a cake you claim ownership to that cake whether you're the eggs, the water, the flour, or the frosting. You are an ingredient in the cake.... without one of those ingredients the cake doesn't come out fully.

You have to punish as the sum of the overall result of your crime.

[capo ultra]

They contributed in terrorizing a massive city.

No they did not

Did you even read the article?

You have to punish as the sum of the overall result of your crime.

so you admit you are wrong then

[cosmic_surgeon]

They contributed in terrorizing a massive city.

Nah mate, was in Warrington this - a small town near Chester - and no riots actually took place there, which is why it's so outrageous.

[pkay]

They contributed in terrorizing a massive city.

No they did not

Did you even read the article?

You have to punish as the sum of the overall result of your crime.

so you admit you are wrong then

sorry i was speaking in general not just those guys

[noam]

So they'll be out in what a year or two with good behavior? fuck off thats a legit punishment

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery. That's death in a lot of countries. About 5-10 years in the US. Some of the punishments I've read about seem pretty fucking light considering they contributed to putting one of the most modern cities in the world under siege.

drawing analogy between 'one of the most modern cities in the world' and 'death in a lot of countries' (meaning arab states most likely) is puerile

its apparent to everyone they're treating these cases much more harshly than if they were committed under normal circumstances

i think most people are angry about the lack of consistency in punishment

if you're from a deprived area and looted your local footlocker you'll get months in prison

if you dont pay millions in tax, rob from public spending accounts to fund private holidays/hobbies/extravagances you get diddly squat and carry on as normal

the disparity between rich and poor, important and unimportant is overwhelming and CAN be represented in action, first hand by the riots, should you accept that as a legitimate causal factor

and those guys will probably appeal, have their sentence cut to 6months and be out in 3 for good behaviour

they'll still have a conviction on their record for life though

but they didn't just rob a footlocker did they?

They contributed in terrorizing a massive city. It is not a normal situation and should not be treated as such.

Keep in mind half of you didn't even want to go out for 3 days, some mentioned having trouble getting food because places were closed, some missed work, some lost money.

That doesn't happen when average joe sneaks a pair of air force 1's from the store.

If you participate in baking a cake you claim ownership to that cake whether you're the eggs, the water, the flour, or the frosting. You are an ingredient in the cake.... without one of those ingredients the cake doesn't come out fully.

You have to punish as the sum of the overall result of your crime.

yeah Warrington is about an hour away from where i live, its basically nowhere's-ville between manchester and liverpool

no riots there at all

kinda the point we're making

people who were robbing from stores got lesser sentences than two guys who done fuck-all

only thing i can think is these guys were known to police/involved in drugs/gangs and this was an opportunity to do them over

[test_recordings]

I like how Cameron's been forced to call an inquiry, though he'd have been shown up by the other parties calling it without him being involved... bigoted tosser

[nousd]

thought so
now the courts will be fucked up with appeals
...shouldn't have directed the magistrates to get tough
politician spin again.

[lloydnoise]

So they'll be out in what a year or two with good behavior? fuck off thats a legit punishment

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery. That's death in a lot of countries. About 5-10 years in the US. Some of the punishments I've read about seem pretty fucking light considering they contributed to putting one of the most modern cities in the world under siege.

drawing analogy between 'one of the most modern cities in the world' and 'death in a lot of countries' (meaning arab states most likely) is puerile

its apparent to everyone they're treating these cases much more harshly than if they were committed under normal circumstances

i think most people are angry about the lack of consistency in punishment

if you're from a deprived area and looted your local footlocker you'll get months in prison

if you dont pay millions in tax, rob from public spending accounts to fund private holidays/hobbies/extravagances you get diddly squat and carry on as normal

the disparity between rich and poor, important and unimportant is overwhelming and CAN be represented in action, first hand by the riots, should you accept that as a legitimate causal factor

and those guys will probably appeal, have their sentence cut to 6months and be out in 3 for good behaviour

they'll still have a conviction on their record for life though

but they didn't just rob a footlocker did they?

They contributed in terrorizing a massive city. It is not a normal situation and should not be treated as such.

Keep in mind half of you didn't even want to go out for 3 days, some mentioned having trouble getting food because places were closed, some missed work, some lost money.

That doesn't happen when average joe sneaks a pair of air force 1's from the store.

If you participate in baking a cake you claim ownership to that cake whether you're the eggs, the water, the flour, or the frosting. You are an ingredient in the cake.... without one of those ingredients the cake doesn't come out fully.

You have to punish as the sum of the overall result of your crime.

yeah Warrington is about an hour away from where i live, its basically nowhere's-ville between manchester and liverpool

no riots there at all

kinda the point we're making

people who were robbing from stores got lesser sentences than two guys who done fuck-all

only thing i can think is these guys were known to police/involved in drugs/gangs and this was an opportunity to do them over

I'm with pkay here, if you attempted to organise that sort of chaos on a mass scale, even if it didn't happen your intention was there and you should be suitably punished. They WANTED it to happen. That's what intent is. f*ck 'em. idiots.

[noam]

thought crime.

[mIrReN]

I want skrillex to be dead, don't throw me in jail pls

I also want to steal 60k somewhere, gonna ask my mates on fb who's up for it

[Pada]

I'd really like to know the details of what the 2 Facebook guys wrote to warrant a 4 year sentence. We've had people inciting violence for at least 10 years now who haven't faced such harsh sentencing. Do they even know whether anyone actually listened to them?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... -sentences

According to this they were both just jokes, one of them was drunk when he posted it - fell asleep then woke up and deleted it. Both were previously of good character it says - so that rules out the drugs angle?

The woman who got 5 months for having some stolen shorts in her house

[Pedro Sánchez]

The woman who got 5 months for having some stolen shorts in her house

I know of her and it was an excuse to prosecute her because she and her household are always causing drama. This shit is going too far now and going to lead to only more tensions and further disruptions just so middle england can have their version of justice.

[noam]

The woman who got 5 months for having some stolen shorts in her house

I know of her and it was an excuse to prosecute her because she and her household are always causing drama. This shit is going too far now and going to lead to only more tensions and further disruptions just so middle england can have their version of justice.

i figure thats why the two guys in warrington have been done aswell

[nousd]

...you should be suitably punished.

Agree.

Opportunistic vandalism & robbery as per usual.
Arson threatening life as per usual.
Assault & manslaughter as per usual.

However, instigating a riot isn't a common occurrence and, being an overt act against the state,
necessarily involves political scrutiny of causes & mitigations.
I believe that shouldn't be confused with interfering in legal proceedings.
Equality & justice requires that acused people not be subject to kangaroo courts
and be treated the same as if they were miscreant aristocrats/stockbrokers/media personalities.

Yeah and heaven forbid, the dumb & desperate might even need some help
cos, in the end, whatever the upright & outraged citizens think, it's alienation & exclusion at the core of this thing.

EDIT: Idealistic piffle? Fuck no. We've gotta keep addressing the issue of neglected human beings who, without wise counsel & loving support, are gonna grab what they can & encourage others to shield them from the retribution of the powerholders by becoming a mob. See it everyday in classrooms.

[antipode]

Most of the folks involved in the riots committed armed robbery.

are you high or what?

[kay]

I'd really like to know the details of what the 2 Facebook guys wrote to warrant a 4 year sentence. We've had people inciting violence for at least 10 years now who haven't faced such harsh sentencing. Do they even know whether anyone actually listened to them?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... -sentences

According to this they were both just jokes, one of them was drunk when he posted it - fell asleep then woke up and deleted it. Both were previously of good character it says - so that rules out the drugs angle?

The woman who got 5 months for having some stolen shorts in her house

They should just cane them and be done with it. No point wasting time sending these people to jail.

[Mr Hyde]

The woman who got 5 months for having some stolen shorts in her house

I know of her and it was an excuse to prosecute her because she and her household are always causing drama. This shit is going too far now and going to lead to only more tensions and further disruptions just so middle england can have their version of justice.

its just a scare tactic to show how much they could get you for stuff and a warning for people to not do it again, most will appeal and win- this woman has:

Lawyers have predicted "many other successful appeals" after a woman jailed for her role in last week's riots had her sentence reduced.

Mother-of-two Ursula Nevin, 24, walked free from prison after a senior judge ruled that her custodial sentence was "wrong in principle".

Nevin, who accepted a pair of looted shorts from her housemate, was jailed for five months by a district judge last week after she pleaded guilty to handling stolen goods.

But the Record of Manchester, Judge Andrew Gilbart QC, ordered that she should instead carry out 75 hours of unpaid work for the community.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 816025520A