On the use of the terms " dub " / " dubplate

jim · Post by **jim** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:25 am

Without getting into etymology or language evolving or etc. and just purely on a subjective basis; a track on a myspace or available for download on ysi or whatever being called a dub just doesn't sit right with me. Getting into the "rights and wrongs" of it I don't really see that using "dub" for anything other than a dubplate is really needed, existing vocabulary seems to suffice.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:34 am

Delendi wrote:and there's that thing of they're gunna stop producing the polymer used to make vinyl by 2012 or something...

I have read that a million times but I have never gotten it from a credible source. Don't believe everything you read on the intraweb.

drew · Post by **drew** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:52 am

not eva

bullshit

think its goin on - yeaaa rite

ana · Post by **ana** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:53 am

drew wrote:not eva

bullshit

think its goin on - yeaaa rite

.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:44 am

jim wrote:Without getting into etymology or language evolving or etc. and just purely on a subjective basis; a track on a myspace or available for download on ysi or whatever being called a dub just doesn't sit right with me. Getting into the "rights and wrongs" of it I don't really see that using "dub" for anything other than a dubplate is really needed, existing vocabulary seems to suffice.

surely the fact of the matter is that the word is being used in other contexts with another meaning. that's what is interesting.

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:28 am

this thread is interesting for sure, and robbiej, im sure shiva could kick some serious 'dj' ass if she wanted to.

im a dj even when i play using traktor and a midi controller. im a disk jockey, and the disk i use is a hard disk

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:30 am

wikipedia knows all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubplate

...maybe?

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Thu May 24, 2007 6:55 am

Misk wrote:
im a dj even when i play using traktor and a midi controller. im a disk jockey, and the disk i use is a hard disk

something round is always spinning. ha! there's your common fucking denominator! ;p

spherix · Post by **spherix** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:03 am

id have thought there no use to add the word "plate" if dub meant the format ie 12, 10 or 7 inch press

dub = riddem, plate = record

if u look at any old king tubby or scientist things they are all called shit like

"_________ dub"

i think "dub" was a term used by the engineer/producer back then to describe the re-recording of a two track tune through various send effects, just like to "dub" a video is to make a copy of it, and/or add different sound over the video (overdub etc)

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:13 am

Interesting stuff....

I have 2 new tunes i've made...i get one cut to dubplate and i load another one as a 320 into tracktor, how do i tracklist it....both the same unreleased, exclusive tunes which have a version cut for the occassion using 2 different formats...

Threnody - Tune 1 - (dubplate)
Threnody - Tune 2 - (320)

or

Threnody - Tune 1 - (dub)
Threnody - Tune 2 - (320 dub)

or

Threnody - Tune 1 - (dub)
Threnody - Tune 2 - (dub)

Surely both tunes have the same exclusivity and the only reason to distinguish between metal and kbps is to show we have really big balls and a huger cock than the next man....or maybe everyone is REALLY REALLY interested in what format they are hearing rather than the tune itself....

I've just loaded in 46 unreleased 320s into my tracktor project...in dubplate terms that is £1150....
However my set has just as much exclusivity as anyone else....no tunes can be bought...they are all:-
'unreleased 320's given to me to play out by producers'...
...OR...
.........'dubs'.

Silly argument really...obviously we could all be traditional with our language but then we wouldn't say cotchin', bare or chesticles!

I don't really see why we need to define format so stringently when it will sound the same to the listener over a 128kbps stream anyway...

Dubplates (in the traditional sense) are of course everyone's preferred medium tho as they are:-

1. Easier to mix than using digital mediums (tracktor is a bitch and beatmatching is harder than with vinyls unless you mix house)

2. It is simpler to turn up to a club with a bag of dubplates than a laptop and exteral soundcard

3. They sound weightier for the first few plays....

However i think the term dub will outlive the format...we have to move with the times and embrace technology to stay ahead, why be forward thinking with some aspects of music and luddites with others??....

-blade- · Post by **-blade-** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:23 am

neva eva a man with a laptop and a generated saxophone, will have the same soundfeeling like one with a real saxophone... a saxophonist.

i978 · Post by **i978** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:26 am

Are people "wrong" when they refer to an MC as a Deejay?

The use of the word "dub" to refer to a tune has become current and no one seems to have any trouble understanding what is meant. The word is USED to mean "tune" so, therefore, that is what it means.

Thinking about it, isn't a dubplate a platter onto which dubs are pressed?

It's not to hard to make a distinction between a dub and a dubplate.

plastician · Post by **plastician** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:55 pm

All this topic was posted for was for this reason....

So that DJ's who actually cut and play dubplates can stroke their chins and feel superior to those who play off CDR, Final Scratch, Serato, Ableton etc.

Bit of a waste topic in my opinion. Whether I play 100% Serato or 100% Vinyl my set would be no different. The same tunes would still be the same unreleased tracks and released tracks. And they'd be mixed the same way.

This whole "dubplate" thing is a bit fallic if you ask me.

I used to be a 100% dubplate DJ before anyone tries it.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Thu May 24, 2007 6:28 pm

Plasticman wrote:All this topic was posted for was for this reason....

So that DJ's who actually cut and play dubplates can stroke their chins and feel superior to those who play off CDR, Final Scratch, Serato, Ableton etc.

Bit of a waste topic in my opinion. Whether I play 100% Serato or 100% Vinyl my set would be no different. The same tunes would still be the same unreleased tracks and released tracks. And they'd be mixed the same way.

This whole "dubplate" thing is a bit fallic if you ask me.

I used to be a 100% dubplate DJ before anyone tries it.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu May 24, 2007 7:56 pm

Plasticman wrote:All this topic was posted for was for this reason....

So that DJ's who actually cut and play dubplates can stroke their chins and feel superior to those who play off CDR, Final Scratch, Serato, Ableton etc.

Bit of a waste topic in my opinion. Whether I play 100% Serato or 100% Vinyl my set would be no different. The same tunes would still be the same unreleased tracks and released tracks. And they'd be mixed the same way.

This whole "dubplate" thing is a bit fallic if you ask me.

I used to be a 100% dubplate DJ before anyone tries it.

End of thread right there.

dj slums · Post by **dj slums** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:14 pm

Plasticman wrote:All this topic was posted for was for this reason....

So that DJ's who actually cut and play dubplates can stroke their chins and feel superior to those who play off CDR, Final Scratch, Serato, Ableton etc.

Bit of a waste topic in my opinion. Whether I play 100% Serato or 100% Vinyl my set would be no different. The same tunes would still be the same unreleased tracks and released tracks. And they'd be mixed the same way.

This whole "dubplate" thing is a bit fallic if you ask me.

I used to be a 100% dubplate DJ before anyone tries it.

oh thank christ for that. was begining to lose hope with this forum n its nerdy waste of space debates.

now. this dick i know always says hes having ''bashment'' round his house at the wknd. he means hes having a gathering and playing dnb. is it just me, or is calling a dnb party ''bashment'' fuckin stupid and irritating.

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:24 pm

'this tune is exclusive to I,
straight from J to me!'

'fat larry, someone musta skank you man!'

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:29 pm

An interesting assumption has been made. I started this thread in order to feel " superior " to those who play cd's, who use Serato, Final Scratch, etc... when I use cd's myself ( and vinyl ).

It's very possible that I started this thread because, well, I'm genuinely interested in 1. the evolution of the meaning of these two terms : " dub " and " dubplate " 2. their use in the dubstep scene.

dj slums · Post by **dj slums** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:46 pm

Intoccabile wrote:An interesting assumption has been made. I started this thread in order to feel " superior " to those who play cd's, who use Serato, Final Scratch, etc... when I use cd's myself ( and vinyl ).

It's very possible that I started this thread because, well, I'm genuinely interested in 1. the evolution of the meaning of these two terms : " dub " and " dubplate " 2. their use in the dubstep scene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_plate

there you go.

im sure if they had mp3's and cd's and pc's in 60's jamaica, they'd be using these formats but still call em dubplates.

anyway - back to my post on the word ''bashment''

dub boy · Post by **dub boy** » Sat May 26, 2007 10:10 am

dj slums wrote:

now. this dick i know always says hes having ''bashment'' round his house at the wknd. he means hes having a gathering and playing dnb. is it just me, or is calling a dnb party ''bashment'' fuckin stupid and irritating.

Well bashment is a style of reggae, but also 'a bashment' is simply a party, so it's a bit lame and misleading calling playing dnb in your room bashment but technically correct too if he's simply putting on a party

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