Sample CD Haters

[Codox]

Is that mini mix composed of your own tracks? Or are any of your tracks in there?

Nope, the minimix was for a contest that was on here a while back to win a set at an event. I won that too


Should have a full tracklisting in the description

nice tune, wish you had more to check out.

[GV1]

I love that tune selection. I can here lots of hip hop influences in there. Tbh I've never heard much of that type of Dubstep. It now lives on my iPhone.

Loving that completed track though. I agree ... more more more :p

Is that mini mix composed of your own tracks? Or are any of your tracks in there?

Nope, the minimix was for a contest that was on here a while back to win a set at an event. I won that too


Should have a full tracklisting in the description

[wub]

I love that tune selection. I can here lots of hip hop influences in there. Tbh I've never heard much of that type of Dubstep. It now lives on my iPhone.

Loving that completed track though. I agree ... more more more :p

Thanks man, glad you like. As I said, Solstice will go up once I've had a chance to redo the mixdown as was a bit of a rush job to get it in before the closing date. And other bits will probably surface at some point.

[paradigm_x]

just off top of my head, alien girl is almost completely a sample cd, minus the drums, and Valley of the Shadows is almost completely (not the long dark tunnel vocals) off the first future music sample cd.

[wub]

just off top of my head, alien girl is almost completely a sample cd, minus the drums, and Valley of the Shadows is almost completely (not the long dark tunnel vocals) off the first future music sample cd.

Just as an aside, I had a dream last night where I went to some 2nd hand fair, and bought a copy of this sample CD for £1.

[Mersikil]

Personally anything musical I sample comes off a record, one shots I couldn't care less. It's not even a question of 'sampling ethics' but just the fact that on my days off I like hitting up the record spot and digging for a couple of hours and taking some interesting music home that I'd never hear otherwise. Thats my hobby.

The only thing I think is wack is sampling music off youtube, and dudes whose entire catalogue of beats were sampled off break compilations they downloaded off blogs. I download tons of break records etc, if I hear something I NEED to sample I'll track the record down. If I can't afford it then i don't get to sample it.

I come from a genre though where sampling is serious business (lol), and dudes get called out on their sources.

Really though, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY I say.

[Mersikil]

Using bass, synth samples from sample cds is also stupid.

even though it's something i don't really do i wouldn't call it stupid if it works for the track. listen to dj shadow entroducing and then listen to some david axelrod and see how he's lifted near enough the whole tune and stuck drums on it in some cases, apparently he's a genius.

Are you saying David ripped off Shadow or vice versa?

dj shadow sampled david axelrod heavily...i'm not cussing him i'm just trying to put into perspective people moaning on one hand about using a bass sample from a sample pack and taking huge chunks out of an existing track and putting drums on it.

not putting down endtroducing before anyone jumps on that one.

95% of classic hip hop is straight loops with drums slapped on em. This whole chopping your 1-2 bars across 16 pads is a pretty recent phenomenon. Theres something really satisfying about looping something up that nobody can pick, and if it wasn't for all the snitching that goes on on the internet there'd still be a lot of classics that most people wouldn't know the source of.

I think the Shook Ones sample (one of the alltime classics for those outta the loop) was only discovered this year.

[jrisreal]

There are two reasons people diss sample cds...

either

1) they have a problem with sampling full-stop.

2) are ok with sampling, but feel people should dig for their own samples.

3) some people think sample CD's are responsible for so much music sounding the same.

4) They have a problem with CD's

[Toric]

There are two reasons people diss sample cds...

either

1) they have a problem with sampling full-stop.

2) are ok with sampling, but feel people should dig for their own samples.

3) some people think sample CD's are responsible for so much music sounding the same.

4) They have a problem with CD's

5) Mudkipz

But, seriously. Sample CDs or not, music is still gonna sound the same, and anyone who wants to tell another artist how to make their music can piss off. If you're doing it and you enjoy it and you start doing things you don't like doing because of others opinions of how you make your songs, then why do you still make music?

[Sparxy]

Using bass, synth samples from sample cds is also stupid.

even though it's something i don't really do i wouldn't call it stupid if it works for the track. listen to dj shadow entroducing and then listen to some david axelrod and see how he's lifted near enough the whole tune and stuck drums on it in some cases, apparently he's a genius.

Are you saying David ripped off Shadow or vice versa?

dj shadow sampled david axelrod heavily...i'm not cussing him i'm just trying to put into perspective people moaning on one hand about using a bass sample from a sample pack and taking huge chunks out of an existing track and putting drums on it.

not putting down endtroducing before anyone jumps on that one.

95% of classic hip hop is straight loops with drums slapped on em. This whole chopping your 1-2 bars across 16 pads is a pretty recent phenomenon. Theres something really satisfying about looping something up that nobody can pick, and if it wasn't for all the snitching that goes on on the internet there'd still be a lot of classics that most people wouldn't know the source of.

I think the Shook Ones sample (one of the alltime classics for those outta the loop) was only discovered this year.

That's wicked man! Love that tune, classic instrumental. Amazing how the best riddims are often so simple

[paradigm_x]

just off top of my head, alien girl is almost completely a sample cd, minus the drums, and Valley of the Shadows is almost completely (not the long dark tunnel vocals) off the first future music sample cd.

Just as an aside, I had a dream last night where I went to some 2nd hand fair, and bought a copy of this sample CD for £1.

Ive got the future music one and a pack someone on DOA put together of all the Alien Girl samples. Uncanny, it literally is just the samples, barely edited/processed, plus drums or that sample.

Depone spent ages ripping the samples for his remake/whatever, gutted

[symmetricalsounds]

Using bass, synth samples from sample cds is also stupid.

even though it's something i don't really do i wouldn't call it stupid if it works for the track. listen to dj shadow entroducing and then listen to some david axelrod and see how he's lifted near enough the whole tune and stuck drums on it in some cases, apparently he's a genius.

Are you saying David ripped off Shadow or vice versa?

dj shadow sampled david axelrod heavily...i'm not cussing him i'm just trying to put into perspective people moaning on one hand about using a bass sample from a sample pack and taking huge chunks out of an existing track and putting drums on it.

not putting down endtroducing before anyone jumps on that one.

95% of classic hip hop is straight loops with drums slapped on em. This whole chopping your 1-2 bars across 16 pads is a pretty recent phenomenon. Theres something really satisfying about looping something up that nobody can pick, and if it wasn't for all the snitching that goes on on the internet there'd still be a lot of classics that most people wouldn't know the source of.

some of the axelrod stuff that shadow samples is basically just the whole track with drums on it, not really any changes, not all that obscure either. it's not snitching to notice where something is sampled from. personally i don't give a fuck how you sample/what you sample, i was just making the point to put into perspective people hating so much on someone taking a bass sample from a sample pack.

[trench]

samples CD's can be a usfull tool if you use them correctly. most samples CD's are full of a bunch of crap, but all of them will have at least 1-2 sounds that are good. and I never use a sample CD for the music it's described for. If your making DnB and using DnB sample packs your tunes aren't going to sound very original. I'll use house and electro sample CD's to make DnB with. I'll use DnB breaks from a sample CD to make a DnB tune, but i'm going to be laying the break with my own breaks and breaks from other sorces and one shots.

and a lil chamel phat on some efects will turn them into something compleatly diffrent. When you new to production your going to use sample straight up with no edits... once you get good at productions you wont even be able to tell were the sample came from. i love taking samples and turning them into something compleatly diffrent. Like making a long drone or atmoshper out of a sweep with paul strech.

it's all about how you use them.

[nowaysj]

(poster above, that was not directed at you)

[lightshapers]

it used to bug me when people would just rip wholesale music loops from sample cds (personally prefer hunting down bits from older records and editing them but its time consuming and you can easily get sidetracked from just getting on with making music), I dont really give a fuck anymore, while people are on forums debating it someone else is making a banger from some blatant loopmasters cd and people will be brocking the fuck out to it, being none the wiser where it came

like this

first strings are mr rankin, the things you do (undeniably good tune, good compilation album that )

and at 1.41 is what skrillex sampled for ruffneck (from what i can see that whole tune apart form the bass/leads is sample cd fodder, isnt that vox from some ragga vox cd??)

all lifted from loopmasters disco strings. still good tunes

most people dont care. good idea to occasionally remind yourself not to overthink things and just get on with it

[Zuzz]

Sample CDs are nothing more than sounds. Chop them up. Add FX.
More sounds are more sounds. Who cares. LOL

[GV1]

95% of classic hip hop is straight loops with drums slapped on em. This whole chopping your 1-2 bars across 16 pads is a pretty recent phenomenon.

The SP1200, which was built in 1985, was the reason for the pads. I wouldn't say it's a recent phenomenon. This was followed by the MPC 60 in 1991. I'm sure there were others before that too. Due to memory limitations on both of the classic machines chopping 8 bars and putting it over a beat was impossible without a sampler. Either way, the drum machines are the foundation of Hip Hop.

[wub]

As an aside, DJ Shadow made Endtroducing on an MPC60

[GV1]

As an aside, DJ Shadow made Endtroducing on an MPC60

Now that's something I didn't know.

[wub]