You know, at the end of the day we’re making MUSIC

[Ldizzy]

disagree with the examples,

sense of being focused
poise
anger
misanthropy
feeling of ''being so official in the club''
joy
confusion
..

theyre all emotions

[abs]

i fully agree with the op, just look at zomby for example

his pallet of sounds is so attainable, and the composition is so beautifully simple.. the result is just pure emotion, or 'vibes' or whatever you wanna call it, the guy makes the absolute best with the the absolute least.

[RandoRando]

i think a funky riff with a fat triangle wave outdoes any amount of FM envelopes EQ automating growls on one stupid note to make the thing say "yuk yuk yuk" followed by a screech, followed by a cheesy trance chord, followed by Yeuuurrgh.

YOU SERIOUSLY just described the song in my sig . LmFaO

[djbmc]

some of the most original types of modern music (modern being later 20th century onwards) were invented by ppl with a good idea and not much else, and some of the most iconic studio techniques were also 'happy mistakes' (i.e someone bumbling about and not quite knowing what they were doing) having said that, learning to make your music sound better isn't a bad thing, you just need to be aware that ur treading a thin line between musical creativity and stifling urself with endless tweaking. for example u can spend half an hour shaping your kick drum with different compressors and transient shapers if you want, or you can just select a different one from any of the 1000s available to you......

[zerbaman]

Last I checked anger and happiness were emotions Looks like the stupidity tables have been turned.

I'll break it down

Euphoria? Anger?

Those are examples of emotions. I used them to make a case against your original statement.

Not all music needs to be moody as fuck to convey some sort of emotion

THIS is a separate statement. I'll explain with these:



Two absolutely sick tracks. Both of which I'm 100% sure you love. Neither of which have any real emotion. It's the vibe that listeners enjoy.

Neither of those tracks are brostep. Both tracks I'm quite familiar with, too. Emotion doesn't have to be something specific, but you can feel it in the way a song plays. Both of those songs got tons of it. There's no emotion in writing one drum track, looping it for an entire song and then warbling the fuck out of some distorted, bitcrushed bass for an entire song. Songs like that have no direction and no feeling. They're just intense and can sound cool, but thats about it. Nothing sends out an endorphin release like when a song comes together perfect, every sound vibing off each other, resonating to create a moment of musical and emotional perfection. I never get that feeling from brostep, it just makes me think "oh. cool."





Emotion isn't a ratio of bass oscillations, and if that's all you're (the general "you", not you specifically =P) focused on, you'll never invoke the beautiful feelings and full sound palates that music is meant to convey.

Neither of them were supposed to be brostep. I was responding to your statement, I don't think of them as emotional, don't really see how you could. IMO, they're just tunes that make you want to skank out, and after all, isn't that what EDM's all about? I don't think your point of brostep producers making single drum loops and simply warbling distorted bass over them is accurate at all. Neither of those two tracks do a great deal in terms of sound or drum variation, the vast majority of electronic music doesn't. And I don't think you really understand what's meant when people say emotion? Cutting out a band of frequencies doesn't automatically result in emotion. Emotion isn't in sound design, it's in the music. When you approach any form of music with such an objective attitude, you're bound to miss any potential emotional feeling that a tune is intended to give you.

[FluidMoShun]

Neither of them were supposed to be brostep. I was responding to your statement, I don't think of them as emotional, don't really see how you could. IMO, they're just tunes that make you want to skank out, and after all, isn't that what EDM's all about? I don't think your point of brostep producers making single drum loops and simply warbling distorted bass over them is accurate at all.

I'm not talking about cut yourself to see if you feel pain and cry about suburban problems EMOtional. I mean how music is representative of the feelings and thoughts the musician and listeners share. I dunno how to explain, I just feel it the way certain songs vibe smooth and make you appreciate them that much more. Some EDM producers just get so withdrawn into synthesis construction that they just create cool sounds and songs with no meaning. And what else are they doing? Very K-S based perc patterns. Some triad or octave arps with pads perhaps. And bass warbling which consists of alternating between bitcrush/dist amounts and convoluted lfo automations.

And I don't much like to skank out, I'd rather express the way I'm feeling through movement of my body and mind. Similar to how music should be written, like its flowing from you.. Not an overly intense tidal wave of synth abuse

Neither of those two tracks do a great deal in terms of sound or drum variation, the vast majority of electronic music doesn't.

STS9 does, Pretty lights does, Shpongle, The New Deal, Big Gigantic, Gramatik, Glitch Mob, edIt, Ooah, Kraddy, the Biscuits, Younger Brother, Hallucinogen, OTT, Infected Mushroom, Michael Menert.. all do. And that's just EDM, never mind the absurd drum/sound variations of IDM.

[zerbaman]

Neither of them were supposed to be brostep. I was responding to your statement, I don't think of them as emotional, don't really see how you could. IMO, they're just tunes that make you want to skank out, and after all, isn't that what EDM's all about? I don't think your point of brostep producers making single drum loops and simply warbling distorted bass over them is accurate at all.

I'm not talking about cut yourself to see if you feel pain and cry about suburban problems EMOtional. I mean how music is representative of the feelings and thoughts the musician and listeners share. I dunno how to explain, I just feel it the way certain songs vibe smooth and make you appreciate them that much more. Some EDM producers just get so withdrawn into synthesis construction that they just create cool sounds and songs with no meaning. And what else are they doing? Very K-S based perc patterns. Some triad or octave arps with pads perhaps. And bass warbling which consists of alternating between bitcrush/dist amounts and convoluted lfo automations.

And I don't much like to skank out, I'd rather express the way I'm feeling through movement of my body and mind. Similar to how music should be written, like its flowing from you.. Not an overly intense tidal wave of synth abuse

Neither of those two tracks do a great deal in terms of sound or drum variation, the vast majority of electronic music doesn't.

STS9 does, Pretty lights does, Shpongle, The New Deal, Big Gigantic, Gramatik, Glitch Mob, edIt, Ooah, Kraddy, the Biscuits, Younger Brother, Hallucinogen, OTT, Infected Mushroom, Michael Menert.. all do. And that's just EDM, never mind the absurd drum/sound variations of IDM.

I wasn't commenting on your tunes. They're a totally different kettle of fish...

And on emotionality, that's not what I meant either. My point is that before they set up the LFOs, there are notes. And that you're not hearing the music. You're just responding to sound

[narcissus]

buncha lil humans telling each other what emotion truly is.

it's gettin to be a silly discussion y'all. just wanna say props to fluidmoshon for mentioning some psy

[zerbaman]

This is an internet forum. There's no place for non-silly discussion here.

[FluidMoShun]

Neither of them were supposed to be brostep. I was responding to your statement, I don't think of them as emotional, don't really see how you could. IMO, they're just tunes that make you want to skank out, and after all, isn't that what EDM's all about? I don't think your point of brostep producers making single drum loops and simply warbling distorted bass over them is accurate at all.

I'm not talking about cut yourself to see if you feel pain and cry about suburban problems EMOtional. I mean how music is representative of the feelings and thoughts the musician and listeners share. I dunno how to explain, I just feel it the way certain songs vibe smooth and make you appreciate them that much more. Some EDM producers just get so withdrawn into synthesis construction that they just create cool sounds and songs with no meaning. And what else are they doing? Very K-S based perc patterns. Some triad or octave arps with pads perhaps. And bass warbling which consists of alternating between bitcrush/dist amounts and convoluted lfo automations.

And I don't much like to skank out, I'd rather express the way I'm feeling through movement of my body and mind. Similar to how music should be written, like its flowing from you.. Not an overly intense tidal wave of synth abuse

Neither of those two tracks do a great deal in terms of sound or drum variation, the vast majority of electronic music doesn't.

STS9 does, Pretty lights does, Shpongle, The New Deal, Big Gigantic, Gramatik, Glitch Mob, edIt, Ooah, Kraddy, the Biscuits, Younger Brother, Hallucinogen, OTT, Infected Mushroom, Michael Menert.. all do. And that's just EDM, never mind the absurd drum/sound variations of IDM.

I wasn't commenting on your tunes. They're a totally different kettle of fish...

And on emotionality, that's not what I meant either. My point is that before they set up the LFOs, there are notes. And that you're not hearing the music. You're just responding to sound

That's just it. Each one of those artists is a totally different kettle from the other. Shpongle to Big Gigantic or STS9 is like night and day, but they're all EDM. All the distortion, BC and LFO obsessed dubstep gets repetitive and loses feeling and originality. This is why most of my favorite artists aren't just dubstep, but draw from it along with lots of other genres and ideas. That's not to say dubstep is a genre devoid of creativity and taste, because there's lots of talented dubstep artists I like a lot.. But they've become few in a sea of many, sadly. Which is what I believe this thread is partly about.

[zerbaman]

Neither of them were supposed to be brostep. I was responding to your statement, I don't think of them as emotional, don't really see how you could. IMO, they're just tunes that make you want to skank out, and after all, isn't that what EDM's all about? I don't think your point of brostep producers making single drum loops and simply warbling distorted bass over them is accurate at all.

I'm not talking about cut yourself to see if you feel pain and cry about suburban problems EMOtional. I mean how music is representative of the feelings and thoughts the musician and listeners share. I dunno how to explain, I just feel it the way certain songs vibe smooth and make you appreciate them that much more. Some EDM producers just get so withdrawn into synthesis construction that they just create cool sounds and songs with no meaning. And what else are they doing? Very K-S based perc patterns. Some triad or octave arps with pads perhaps. And bass warbling which consists of alternating between bitcrush/dist amounts and convoluted lfo automations.

And I don't much like to skank out, I'd rather express the way I'm feeling through movement of my body and mind. Similar to how music should be written, like its flowing from you.. Not an overly intense tidal wave of synth abuse

Neither of those two tracks do a great deal in terms of sound or drum variation, the vast majority of electronic music doesn't.

STS9 does, Pretty lights does, Shpongle, The New Deal, Big Gigantic, Gramatik, Glitch Mob, edIt, Ooah, Kraddy, the Biscuits, Younger Brother, Hallucinogen, OTT, Infected Mushroom, Michael Menert.. all do. And that's just EDM, never mind the absurd drum/sound variations of IDM.

I wasn't commenting on your tunes. They're a totally different kettle of fish...

And on emotionality, that's not what I meant either. My point is that before they set up the LFOs, there are notes. And that you're not hearing the music. You're just responding to sound

That's just it. Each one of those artists is a totally different kettle from the other. Shpongle to Big Gigantic or STS9 is like night and day, but they're all EDM. All the distortion, BC and LFO obsessed dubstep gets repetitive and loses feeling and originality. This is why most of my favorite artists aren't just dubstep, but draw from it along with lots of other genres and ideas. That's not to say dubstep is a genre devoid of creativity and taste, because there's lots of talented dubstep artists I like a lot.. But they've become few in a sea of many, sadly. Which is what I believe this thread is partly about.

Electronic? most of it is real instruments? Those are more towards Funk & Soul than EDM. They're pretty irrelevant to what this thread is about imo, seeing as this is after all DUBSTEP forum. You saying that other styles of dubstep looses feeling and originality would be like me saying that the tunes you posted are the same for making use of guitars. An instrument neither artist(s) created.. Those wubs and warbles are the same, they're just instruments.

[FluidMoShun]

Neither of them were supposed to be brostep. I was responding to your statement, I don't think of them as emotional, don't really see how you could. IMO, they're just tunes that make you want to skank out, and after all, isn't that what EDM's all about? I don't think your point of brostep producers making single drum loops and simply warbling distorted bass over them is accurate at all.

I'm not talking about cut yourself to see if you feel pain and cry about suburban problems EMOtional. I mean how music is representative of the feelings and thoughts the musician and listeners share. I dunno how to explain, I just feel it the way certain songs vibe smooth and make you appreciate them that much more. Some EDM producers just get so withdrawn into synthesis construction that they just create cool sounds and songs with no meaning. And what else are they doing? Very K-S based perc patterns. Some triad or octave arps with pads perhaps. And bass warbling which consists of alternating between bitcrush/dist amounts and convoluted lfo automations.

And I don't much like to skank out, I'd rather express the way I'm feeling through movement of my body and mind. Similar to how music should be written, like its flowing from you.. Not an overly intense tidal wave of synth abuse

Neither of those two tracks do a great deal in terms of sound or drum variation, the vast majority of electronic music doesn't.

STS9 does, Pretty lights does, Shpongle, The New Deal, Big Gigantic, Gramatik, Glitch Mob, edIt, Ooah, Kraddy, the Biscuits, Younger Brother, Hallucinogen, OTT, Infected Mushroom, Michael Menert.. all do. And that's just EDM, never mind the absurd drum/sound variations of IDM.

I wasn't commenting on your tunes. They're a totally different kettle of fish...

And on emotionality, that's not what I meant either. My point is that before they set up the LFOs, there are notes. And that you're not hearing the music. You're just responding to sound

That's just it. Each one of those artists is a totally different kettle from the other. Shpongle to Big Gigantic or STS9 is like night and day, but they're all EDM. All the distortion, BC and LFO obsessed dubstep gets repetitive and loses feeling and originality. This is why most of my favorite artists aren't just dubstep, but draw from it along with lots of other genres and ideas. That's not to say dubstep is a genre devoid of creativity and taste, because there's lots of talented dubstep artists I like a lot.. But they've become few in a sea of many, sadly. Which is what I believe this thread is partly about.

Electronic? most of it is real instruments? Those are more towards Funk & Soul than EDM. They're pretty irrelevant to what this thread is about imo, seeing as this is after all DUBSTEP forum. You saying that other styles of dubstep looses feeling and originality would be like me saying that the tunes you posted are the same for making use of guitars. An instrument neither artist(s) created.. Those wubs and warbles are the same, they're just instruments.

Its exactly what it is. Electronic dance music, just because they use instruments doesn't immediately exclude them from being EDM. All of them rely heavily on synths with modulation and sampling. They don't limit themselves to just that, which is what I like about them. A dubstep forum should not be an elitist forum that caters only to pure dubstep and i hope that's never what DSF becomes. Music isn't something you program into songs like code, its a free flowing form of expression. But lots of 'dubstep''artists' lose sight of that in the hopes of making the nastiest, most grotesque bass wobble imaginable. Which is stupid to have for a goal for your music. Because the only emotion it will invoke is "Oh cool." and it'll make you want to skank just like you would to any other repetitive mindless song like it. I'd rather listen to the artists who can paint an entire world with brushstrokes of sound symbiosis.

[-[2]DAY_-]

i think the word is "myopic" ... like trying to build a better mousetrap. When what you really want is to catch mice.

Instead of getting lost in obsession over how to craft the perfect Yarble, Wub, Yub, Yuk, or Yeuuurgh.... you should try to write a great track. If it needs a sound, you try to make or source that sound, but if it turns into several hours of obsession to the point you forget why you needed it in the first place... its time to grab a preset and play the melody, and be done with it.
Maybe when you nail that perfect patch, you'll use it in another track. Gotta try not to get myopic

[zerbaman]

i think the word is "myopic" ... like trying to build a better mousetrap. When what you really want is to catch mice.

Instead of getting lost in obsession over how to craft the perfect Yarble, Wub, Yub, Yuk, or Yeuuurgh.... you should try to write a great track. If it needs a sound, you try to make or source that sound, but if it turns into several hours of obsession to the point you forget why you needed it in the first place... its time to grab a preset and play the melody, and be done with it.
Maybe when you nail that perfect patch, you'll use it in another track. Gotta try not to get myopic

This is what i believe too. I'm arguing that simply writing off an entire style of music as emotionless simply because of the instruments used is a silly thing to do.

Its exactly what it is. Electronic dance music, just because they use instruments doesn't immediately exclude them from being EDM. All of them rely heavily on synths with modulation and sampling. They don't limit themselves to just that, which is what I like about them. A dubstep forum should not be an elitist forum that caters only to pure dubstep and i hope that's never what DSF becomes. Music isn't something you program into songs like code, its a free flowing form of expression. But lots of 'dubstep''artists' lose sight of that in the hopes of making the nastiest, most grotesque bass wobble imaginable. Which is stupid to have for a goal for your music. Because the only emotion it will invoke is "Oh cool." and it'll make you want to skank just like you would to any other repetitive mindless song like it. I'd rather listen to the artists who can paint an entire world with brushstrokes of sound symbiosis.

Those synths are more towards effects pedals. A lot of guitar based music uses them too, that doesn't just make it electronic.

[ChadDub]

It usually comes out better when you write a good song, and if it turns out you need more instruments to fill in certain areas/frequencies or w/e, just open up a simple synth and make it right there. Essentially, I think that's the best way to make patches. You make them to where they fit in a mix. And it's usually not very complex either, just a simple synth to get the point across, which is really all you need.

[FluidMoShun]

i think the word is "myopic" ... like trying to build a better mousetrap. When what you really want is to catch mice.

Instead of getting lost in obsession over how to craft the perfect Yarble, Wub, Yub, Yuk, or Yeuuurgh.... you should try to write a great track. If it needs a sound, you try to make or source that sound, but if it turns into several hours of obsession to the point you forget why you needed it in the first place... its time to grab a preset and play the melody, and be done with it.
Maybe when you nail that perfect patch, you'll use it in another track. Gotta try not to get myopic

This is what i believe too. I'm arguing that simply writing off an entire style of music as emotionless simply because of the instruments used is a silly thing to do.

Its exactly what it is. Electronic dance music, just because they use instruments doesn't immediately exclude them from being EDM. All of them rely heavily on synths with modulation and sampling. They don't limit themselves to just that, which is what I like about them. A dubstep forum should not be an elitist forum that caters only to pure dubstep and i hope that's never what DSF becomes. Music isn't something you program into songs like code, its a free flowing form of expression. But lots of 'dubstep''artists' lose sight of that in the hopes of making the nastiest, most grotesque bass wobble imaginable. Which is stupid to have for a goal for your music. Because the only emotion it will invoke is "Oh cool." and it'll make you want to skank just like you would to any other repetitive mindless song like it. I'd rather listen to the artists who can paint an entire world with brushstrokes of sound symbiosis.

Those synths are more towards effects pedals. A lot of guitar based music uses them too, that doesn't just make it electronic.

STS9 is largely regarded as an electronic jam band, usually 50% of the sounds you hear them play are synthesized or programmed. Pretty Lights, Shpongle, Gramatik, very sample and synth oriented sounds. Please be specific about what band you're saying is not electronic, because I didn't name a single one that only uses synthesized guitar effects. They're electronic dude and they're dance music, therefore EDM.. How can you argue that they're not? lol

I don't like monotonous, unoriginal music. And because of all the hype around dubstep nowadays, that is what happening to alot of the music in the genre. Its being clouded by wanky womps =\

[wub]

Instead of getting lost in obsession over how to craft the perfect Wub....

Yo

[ChadDub]

The moment you realize what it is to be yourself, you've reached the pinnacle.

Once you learn enough to be able to throw it all out the window and do your own thing, you have reached the pinnacle.


Two beastly quotes by me.

[-[2]DAY_-]

chad, you are a pinnacle.

[ChadDub]

The pinnacle of beastliness.