NU REGGAE

[Tragic_Gash]

ok lets make a deal. I won't be a douche bag if you call the music you wanna make something other than nu reggae. it's pretty unimaginative, and makes me think its gonna suck without even listening to it.

u shouldnt judge a book by its cover...any true music lover would know that...

just tryin to help mate, lots of judgmental assholes like me out there

yes i understnad, but as a fan and producer of some dubstep, i dont want to associate myself with the tag of dubstep, so i have the choice of post dubstep, which is ok for my more ambienty productions and nu reggae, for my more modern take on an old sound....pretty straight forward really...

then just don't? unless you really feel the need to i guess, and i suppose if the music you make is good enough then it won't matter in the end.

[Alistairr]

the label im signed to likes slash wants more dub/reggae productions so i have to call it something new and fresh, just the way it goes im afraid...genre labels i d rather do without them believe u me...but sometimes u have to distingusih urself from the crowd...

[south3rn]

edit: also i think you missed my point, probably cos i worded what i was saying a bit shit and missed stuff out, which was that dubstep, like a lot of other styles of music come from a cultural background of which the roots can be directly traced back to people like Kind Tubby and other early sound system operators...

sorry to quote your same post twice...lol

i think culture is the operative word. i think you have to be careful if you say dub music. but that soundsystem/soundclash/soundman culture was present in late 80s acid house, early 90s breakbeat hardcore, 94 jungle, post jungle dnb, dub techno...all way before dubstep. it's nothing new.

it's not weird to see ras trents at dubstep raves now...but when it first started, at least i can attest to the first few years of houston dubstep shows, there was never a hard push to relate dubstep to reggae. but in 05/06, i'd say the minority of songs went in that direction, sampling dub tunes, off-beat stabs, etc.

i'd love some veterans to chime in.

mmm i think we are talking about two seperate things, like your right that the direct influences to the music itself were wideranging and not every artist adopted a sound that could be easily related to dub reggae however, because you asked how king tubby relates to dubstep, i was talkin about the cultural circumstances that lead to its development, ur right it's nothing new, but it all comes from the same initial point in my view, which is the soundsystem culture of Jamaica. maybe it makes more sense to me because i'm used to the UK dance music scene but there you go.

and you raise another point...

perspective.

it's definitely this revolving door, because music is definitely part of culture...

we should get high and talk about this soon.

[Tragic_Gash]

edit: also i think you missed my point, probably cos i worded what i was saying a bit shit and missed stuff out, which was that dubstep, like a lot of other styles of music come from a cultural background of which the roots can be directly traced back to people like Kind Tubby and other early sound system operators...

sorry to quote your same post twice...lol

i think culture is the operative word. i think you have to be careful if you say dub music. but that soundsystem/soundclash/soundman culture was present in late 80s acid house, early 90s breakbeat hardcore, 94 jungle, post jungle dnb, dub techno...all way before dubstep. it's nothing new.

it's not weird to see ras trents at dubstep raves now...but when it first started, at least i can attest to the first few years of houston dubstep shows, there was never a hard push to relate dubstep to reggae. but in 05/06, i'd say the minority of songs went in that direction, sampling dub tunes, off-beat stabs, etc.

i'd love some veterans to chime in.

mmm i think we are talking about two seperate things, like your right that the direct influences to the music itself were wideranging and not every artist adopted a sound that could be easily related to dub reggae however, because you asked how king tubby relates to dubstep, i was talkin about the cultural circumstances that lead to its development, ur right it's nothing new, but it all comes from the same initial point in my view, which is the soundsystem culture of Jamaica. maybe it makes more sense to me because i'm used to the UK dance music scene but there you go.

and you raise another point...

perspective.

it's definitely this revolving door, because music is definitely part of culture...

we should get high and talk about this soon.

haha yes man

[KingSkarr]

uhh isn't this just dub? haha

[Alistairr]

dub reggae or dubstep? for me the two are intertwined without a doubt, wih king tubby being the grandfather of all things dub related. house came from chicago producers making edits of disco records not tubby.

[fassyman]

can we stop trying to make up new genres please

[Alistairr]

why, cant u keep up

[Sufferhead]

Advice to OP: drop the 'hay guise, seems like im pioneering a nu movement, it's called nu reggae bcoz it are reggea wich i made on my computer and this is something which noone did till 2011 big ups king tubby' shtick and just present your tracks as they are. In my opinion: bargain bin On-U Sound.

[Alistairr]

my advice to you is try writing at least some sort of english and stop with the im sooo ghetto i cant even type properly/ nuff said bollocks...

[dj $hy]

i believe dubstep directly morphed from house music and picked up bits and pieces along the way. house music was big before king tubby made much of a splash in north america.

at the end of the day it's all relative to how a person interprets dubstep, but i've been around enough and listened to enough to form my own opinion.

most of your derivative from dub/reggae to dubstep can be applied to any genre really.

BTW its Incorrect! Dubstep came from 2step, early dark garage from the likes of El-B and so on. House had nothing to do with the rise of Dubstep from where I was sitting back in 2000 in Big Apple Records...

Interesting topic OP! I think reggae vibes have always been in Dubstep but these days they have been forgotted, shelved for hip hop/Moody samples. You can still find plenty of it. I have been working on an album with the likes of Topcat, Barrington Levy, Demolition Man, MC Fabulous, Congo Natty & Paul Holt (who sung the original Police in Helicopter). Copming form a reggae Jungle background I see so much reggae dubstep floating about but just not enough avenues to push it out. For me personally I've taken the vocals, feeling of the artist above and added some harder tracks to it as a kind of crossover but funny enough alot of the younger listeners dont seem to knwo who people like Topcat even are... Yeah sure they know some big hits like Lighter but thats about as far as it goes!

Personally I'm starting to work on Jungle again now, oldskool Reggae Jungle has and alwasy will be one of my fav musics!

[scspkr99]

^^ Isn't that very similar to the history of jungle tho that referenced reggae / dub both musically and vocally prior to hip hop samples getting used later on?

I also think there's almost a return to recognise the influence that dub has had considering the Bug's contribution to Invasion of the Killer Mysteron sounds, the Quasi Dub Development and especially the Ulrich Troyer as the first part of a trilogy on deep medi.

We don't need a Nu Reggae genre label that's for sure it's either dub or digital dub or reggae.

[Alistairr]

^^ Isn't that very similar to the history of jungle tho that referenced reggae / dub both musically and vocally prior to hip hop samples getting used later on?

I also think there's almost a return to recognise the influence that dub has had considering the Bug's contribution to Invasion of the Killer Mysteron sounds, the Quasi Dub Development and especially the Ulrich Troyer as the first part of a trilogy on deep medi.

We don't need a Nu Reggae genre label that's for sure it's either dub or digital dub or reggae.

thats precisely why we do need a new label, people i.e. listeners are getting confused between all the different labels, surely /? i mean isnt it just simplier to call it nu reggae, an all encompassing name...??

[Alistairr]

i believe dubstep directly morphed from house music and picked up bits and pieces along the way. house music was big before king tubby made much of a splash in north america.

at the end of the day it's all relative to how a person interprets dubstep, but i've been around enough and listened to enough to form my own opinion.

most of your derivative from dub/reggae to dubstep can be applied to any genre really.

BTW its Incorrect! Dubstep came from 2step, early dark garage from the likes of El-B and so on. House had nothing to do with the rise of Dubstep from where I was sitting back in 2000 in Big Apple Records...

Interesting topic OP! I think reggae vibes have always been in Dubstep but these days they have been forgotted, shelved for hip hop/Moody samples. You can still find plenty of it. I have been working on an album with the likes of Topcat, Barrington Levy, Demolition Man, MC Fabulous, Congo Natty & Paul Holt (who sung the original Police in Helicopter). Copming form a reggae Jungle background I see so much reggae dubstep floating about but just not enough avenues to push it out. For me personally I've taken the vocals, feeling of the artist above and added some harder tracks to it as a kind of crossover but funny enough alot of the younger listeners dont seem to knwo who people like Topcat even are... Yeah sure they know some big hits like Lighter but thats about as far as it goes!

Personally I'm starting to work on Jungle again now, oldskool Reggae Jungle has and alwasy will be one of my fav musics!

barrington Levy, hahah genius!! i made some hardcore tracks if ur interested, check my soundcloud...

[scspkr99]

thats precisely why we do need a new label, people i.e. listeners are getting confused between all the different labels, surely /? i mean isnt it just simplier to call it nu reggae, an all encompassing name...??

what are all these labels? Reggae / Dub / Digital Dub ( which doesn't need to be distinguised from dub anyway) what else?

I kinda think it displays a lack of respect for the original which I'm sure is not your point and people don't need the catchall genre labels.

[skimpi]

nu reggae is a shit name, if you use it to describe your music, you are a twat

[Alistairr]

i dont understand its jsut a label, i mean come on guys surely u can read btw the lines a bit more,

[PFC]

explain how king tubby is related to dubstep please

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[scspkr99]

i dont understand its jsut a label, i mean come on guys surely u can read btw the lines a bit more,

read what between what lines? Why try and garner support for a label that isn't necessary.

You know that digitally made dub has been around for a long time right? I'm not even hating on your track which I think is ok but I do think that taking a name that's been around for 40 years and has a ton of history and stabbing Nu in front of it is poor form tbh.

[Alistairr]

what do u think nu rave is then, or nu disco .....