The Real Deal (Hardcore Dubsteppers ONLY)

[DubbySteppy]

Hello people!

My name is DubbySteppy and I'm a 20 year old collegestudent from Sweden.
I got a groupassignment in one of my courses called "Music & Event Management" where we have to pick a genre of music and analyze it.
We choose dubstep mainly because of the increased popularity of the genre, but also because we want an answer on why it connects with so many people from different "musical backgrounds".

My focus on this paper is to analyze what's considered "cool" or "pure" in dubstep, so I'm looking for people who've been listening or making dubstep since the start around the end of the '90's or early 2000's - and what better place to start than here on dubstepforum!

My questions are mainly guidelines for you to express your opinions and views of what "pure" or "real" dubstep is, feel free to discuss outside the questions.
As I said I mainly want people who've been with this genre for awhile to express what they think, and it would be great to see Ivan (if he's still around) and the other mods answer and express their views on this matter! Of course everyone is free to answer the questions, in fact it would be cool to get views from someone off the "Skrillex-era" too.

(((My english skills are not the best, so when I say "cool" or "real" or "pure" I may refer to the word "cred" (credibility, think street cred etc), I know the conjugation in Swedish but I can't use it like that in english. for example see the word "cool" in question 4).))))

1) What is a "real" dubstepper (like)?
2) Are there any record labels that's considered THE labels to be on as a dubstepartist?
3) Are there any specific places in Dubstep's history or present time that's important for the genre? Think clubs, cities, neighborhoods.
4) Shall an dubstepartist be more "anonymous" than other DJ's like David Guetta and Tiesto? Is it considered "cool" (see "cred") to be more hidden and not show themselves on albumcovers etc?
5) How shall a real dubstep song be like? How is it built-up etc? Feel free to give examples
6) What do you think of Skrillex and the "mainstream" dubstep?
7) What have Skrillex brought to the genre? What did he change?
What should you have done to be a "pure" or "real" dubstepper? what artists should you be a fan of? How should you behave? Do you have to take drugs? Do you have to dress a certain way? ETC!

The real question is:
WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE REAL DEAL???

I appreciate all answers, I hope I made my point clear, if you have any questions feel free to post them here. Come with more suggestions and advice if you got any for our paper!

[oprs]

1. wanka
2. wankas label wankme
3. wankas basement, dungeon dirt deep vibes. remember back in 93 he and mc debz went at it.
4. three?
5. wanka in the back with debz over top on the vox
6. whos skrillex?
7. see above?
8. obviously.

preciate your time!

[SloppySeconds]

1) think neon, love glowsticks, half of my hair shaved, thick rim glasses with no lenses in
2) mau5trap, rottun, circus
3) wherever cher lloyd recorded dub on the track
4) nah u should do commericals and shit and parade around being an awesome guy
5) yoi yoi wampwampwampwpap eueueueueu wheeeee ddddrop the bass wawawawawaw
6) hes the best around
7) no ones comparable to him hes amazin
be the best bro u can be
hope i helped

[AntheK]

1-5) Umad Bro ?
exceptions : 5) YOY YOY wowowowowowowowo YOYO YOY YOY wowowowowowowowowowowowo PUT YARR HANDZ UP !!§§§§ YOYOYOYOYOY wowowowowowowow wompwompwomp YOY wowowowowowowowowo
6) What the...
7) He Brought f*cking retarded guys that think that Skrillex makes OMGWTFBBQ duBstep. And wannaBees that only ask "HOW CAN I BE SKRILLEX PLZ PLZ PLZ".
(imo)
8 ) Listen to REAL duBstep ?

[brasco]

[wobbles]

1) a real dubstepper is someone with an ear for the filthy stuff, the filthier the better
2) rottun, circus, and anything else super filthy
3) anywhere where there is filth LOL
4) why would they be anonymous then they will never get famous and make tons of money
5) 55 seconds of anything really as long as the last few get more intense, followed by the F!LTHIE$T BASS DROP IN THE WORLD!
6) Skrillex isnt even mainstream hes so hardcore and different to everything else
7) he made it AMAZING
8 MDMA baby, or whatever pill i can get my hands onnnn

[tacospheros]

you're not going to get any straight answers on here. everyone just likes to troll these type of threads for some reason. and the complain that the new generation doesn't know anything ...

[hutyluty]

Hello people!

My name is DubbySteppy and I'm a 20 year old collegestudent from Sweden.
I got a groupassignment in one of my courses called "Music & Event Management" where we have to pick a genre of music and analyze it.
We choose dubstep mainly because of the increased popularity of the genre, but also because we want an answer on why it connects with so many people from different "musical backgrounds".

My focus on this paper is to analyze what's considered "cool" or "pure" in dubstep, so I'm looking for people who've been listening or making dubstep since the start around the end of the '90's or early 2000's - and what better place to start than here on dubstepforum!

My questions are mainly guidelines for you to express your opinions and views of what "pure" or "real" dubstep is, feel free to discuss outside the questions.
As I said I mainly want people who've been with this genre for awhile to express what they think, and it would be great to see Ivan (if he's still around) and the other mods answer and express their views on this matter! Of course everyone is free to answer the questions, in fact it would be cool to get views from someone off the "Skrillex-era" too.

(((My english skills are not the best, so when I say "cool" or "real" or "pure" I may refer to the word "cred" (credibility, think street cred etc), I know the conjugation in Swedish but I can't use it like that in english. for example see the word "cool" in question 4).))))

1) What is a "real" dubstepper (like)?
2) Are there any record labels that's considered THE labels to be on as a dubstepartist?
3) Are there any specific places in Dubstep's history or present time that's important for the genre? Think clubs, cities, neighborhoods.
4) Shall an dubstepartist be more "anonymous" than other DJ's like David Guetta and Tiesto? Is it considered "cool" (see "cred") to be more hidden and not show themselves on albumcovers etc?
5) How shall a real dubstep song be like? How is it built-up etc? Feel free to give examples
6) What do you think of Skrillex and the "mainstream" dubstep?
7) What have Skrillex brought to the genre? What did he change?
What should you have done to be a "pure" or "real" dubstepper? what artists should you be a fan of? How should you behave? Do you have to take drugs? Do you have to dress a certain way? ETC!

The real question is:
WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE REAL DEAL???

I appreciate all answers, I hope I made my point clear, if you have any questions feel free to post them here. Come with more suggestions and advice if you got any for our paper!

1-they dont go outside except to buy weed and midi keyboards, they mainly spend their time on dsf trolling poor swedish people
2- tectonic, dmz, hyperdub
3-mass, fwd, windian
4- erm not really
5- pad- movie quote- hi hats+ bass

6-i dont really care tbh
7- not much
8- you have to be really pale (unless black ofc) and maybe wear shoes

[Viineri]

8- you have to be really pale (unless black ofc) and maybe wear shoes

[Raggles]

you're not going to get any straight answers on here. everyone just likes to troll these type of threads for some reason. and the complain that the new generation doesn't know anything ...

It's because these questions are asked numerous times an hour.

I sure as hell didn't come here to answer repetitive questions about Srillex.

Thought you probably would have realized that.

[Shum]

1) What is a "real" dubstepper (like)?

no idea.

2) Are there any record labels that's considered THE labels to be on as a dubstep artist?

Deep Medi, Tectonic, Osiris, Black Box, and Tempa off the top of my head, there are loads more.

3) Are there any specific places in Dubstep's history or present time that's important for the genre? Think clubs, cities, neighborhoods.

London obviously, Bristol as well perhaps, not confident enough to speculate on club nights and that.

4) Should a dubstep artist be more "anonymous" than other DJ's like David Guetta and Tiesto? Is it considered "cool" (see "cred") to be more hidden and not show themselves on albumcovers etc?

They should do what they want. I'm not their boss.

5) How shall a real dubstep song be like? How is it built-up etc? Feel free to give examples

Bass, drums, depth. For examples, check the labels I mentioned before and DMZ and earlier Hyperdub.

6) What do you think of Skrillex and the "mainstream" dubstep?

In small doses it can be okay but it gets boring very quickly. In saying that, there is some stuff I can't bring myself to listen to.

7) What have Skrillex brought to the genre? What did he change?

I don't think he's bought anything new to the genre. For me he's someone who jumped on the "brostep" bandwagon with a lot of success.

What should you have done to be a "pure" or "real" dubstepper? what artists should you be a fan of? How should you behave? Do you have to take drugs? Do you have to dress a certain way? ETC!

Support artists and DJs by showing up to gigs and buying their music and that, I think it's important for fans to build up the scene wherever they may be in the world. Listen to the artists that you like. Don't be a dick. No you don't have to take drugs, but (related to the last sentence) don't be an ass to those who are. I would suggest wearing clothes that will get you into clubs (unless you want to be dubstepping in the queue outside) but aside from that, be yourself.

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[Soiree]

[Maccaveli]

1) What is a "real" dubstepper (like)?

A normal person who likes dubstep?

2) Are there any record labels that's considered THE labels to be on as a dubstep artist?

Deep Medi, Tempa and DMZ would be the most important I think, followed by Tectonic, Hyperdub etc.

3) Are there any specific places in Dubstep's history or present time that's important for the genre? Think clubs, cities, neighborhoods.

Not from around England so I can't really say, but obviously London, Bristol ect.

4) Should a dubstep artist be more "anonymous" than other DJ's like David Guetta and Tiesto? Is it considered "cool" (see "cred") to be more hidden and not show themselves on albumcovers etc?

It is what it is, different producers do different things.

5) How shall a real dubstep song be like? How is it built-up etc? Feel free to give examples




6) What do you think of Skrillex and the "mainstream" dubstep?

I think Skrillex is a decent producer although I don't like much of his music. My advice: stop bringing him into this, he's not the first name that should be mentioned when talking about dubstep and he shouldn't really be the focus of your study.
I love some mainstream dubstep like Magnetic Man and Katy B, but overall I think the kind of dubstep that gets the most mainstream exposure in America gives people completely the wrong idea about the genre

7) What have Skrillex brought to the genre? What did he change?

Nothing, he's just another producer who jumped on the bandwagon and lucked into an unusual amount of mainstream exposure.

What should you have done to be a "pure" or "real" dubstepper? what artists should you be a fan of? How should you behave? Do you have to take drugs? Do you have to dress a certain way? ETC!

Just be yourself, listen to what you like and don't be a tnuc. There really aren't any rules, I mean its a music scene not the fucking Free Masons

[wobbles]

1) Fish

2) Fish

Red) Fish

Blue) Fish

u win lol

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1) Fish

2) Fish

Red) Fish

Blue) Fish

u win lol

[Muncey]

1) What is a "real" dubstepper (like)?
A real dubstepper does not consider/call themselves a dubstepstepper. I have too many people on things like facebook that have their name as First name "Dubstepper" Last name. These people tend to youtube 'filthy dubstep' on youtube and don't know anything about the genre, producers, DJs, record labels or the history of the genre. I've spoke to many many many people who claim to be a 'dubstepper' and they don't know about DMZ or kode9 ect. I have never and will never call myself a dubstepper because that label, to me, is assosiated with all the plastic (fake) fans.


2) Are there any record labels that's considered THE labels to be on as a dubstepartist?
Not really. Labels are usually based on the way the producers work sounds, usually you will get a lot of similar sounding songs by different producers on the same label. So what label you aspire to be on really depends on what sort of dubstep you're making.


3) Are there any specific places in Dubstep's history or present time that's important for the genre? Think clubs, cities, neighborhoods.
London is the only one worth a special mention as it originated from London... but you could probably pick anywhere and you may have something to say about dubstep. I'm personally loving the stuff coming from Bristol atm. Scotland has produced some decent producers/DJs as well.


4) Shall an dubstepartist be more "anonymous" than other DJ's like David Guetta and Tiesto? Is it considered "cool" (see "cred") to be more hidden and not show themselves on albumcovers etc?
I wouldn't say its cool to be anonymous, its just someones personal opinion to do so. I think some people play on it more than others (Zomby).. and i think they feel it gives them a bit more power, they can do things knowing they personally won't be harrased. If a top producer like Skream didn't release or do anything for a few months he'd be hounded about what hes doing next and when its coming. He has to constantly let people know what hes doing in terms of releasing music or touring. Somebody like Zomby won't have that, he has the power to stop at any time and he personally won't get bothered by anybody. That may be the reason he isn't too bothered about missing events. But no being anonymous doesn't really make you any cooler, if your music is shit it doesn't matter if you're annonymous or not. Since Burial has named himself i don't think he'll be considered any less "cool" or lose fans.


5) How shall a real dubstep song be like? How is it built-up etc? Feel free to give examples
The standard heavy bass 140bpm is out the window now. Dubstep can be a range of bpms and sounds. This term of "real dubstep" doesn't really work.. it implies there is fake dubstep, which i can understand but theres a difference between fake and just pure shit.


6) What do you think of Skrillex and the "mainstream" dubstep?
Man it's like any genre, mainstream is usually shit. Its a popularity contest and it has to appeal to the masses, if it appeals to the majority of people it is probably shit, because the majority of people in this country/world are morons. That is a very important life lesson i've learned, most people are idiots therefore the view of a majority is usually idiotic. This doesn't just apply to dubstep or even music. I'm a huge fan of TV, i've just recently finished watching the latest series of Breaking Bad which was awesome, but turn on the TV and you'll find stuff like X-Factor or Big Brother.. or Jeremy fucking Kyle.. or Eastenders.. its all horseshit but its what the majority want!


7) What have Skrillex brought to the genre? What did he change?
Nothing. The stuff hes doing has been around longer than he has, hes just the one most famous for it. Borgore was doing heavy, metal influenced dubstep long before Skrillex was around. I saw Borgore once and he played death/thrash metal at the end of his set, didn't even attempt to end with dubstep. Skrillex appeals to what the US audience want from dubstep, because... well they don't really know better. That style of dubstep, for me, is for people who claim to hate rock or metal and call everybody a greb for listening to it.. but deep down they really want to mosh as well. So they need this cool popular music that they can mosh to. Its popular kids getting away with moshing, thats all.


8 ) What should you have done to be a "pure" or "real" dubstepper? what artists should you be a fan of? How should you behave? Do you have to take drugs? Do you have to dress a certain way? ETC!
As i mentioned in the first question, i don't believe any real fan of dubstep would consider themselves a 'dubstepper'. Real fans of the music can enjoy and support the music without the constant need to advertise that they love it. People who wear these DUBSTEP t-shirts and call themselves dubsteppers aren't real fans, they want to let everybody know that they like this new popular sound without even making the effort to learn about it. I really feel that is the main thing, you don't need to listen to certain artists, you don't have to dress a certain way at all and you certainly don't have to take drugs the one thing a real fan does is never have to feel the need to constantly let everybody know that they love dubstep. I'm a HUGE fan compared to the majority of people i know who claim to be these big fans but nobody would know because i don't feel the need to tell everybody constantly. I just listen to the music, support the artists, listen to the radio shows and go to live events.

The real question is:
WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE REAL DEAL???
Who knows. Dubstep has changed from when it first originated and it'll continue to change.

[joeki]

man the fuck up

This thread =>
http://mlkshk.com/r/1Z0B

[Maccaveli]

+1 to Muncey

[baddis98]

some of your questions are pretty pointless (like in most surveys of that kind). i hate when people try to define a scene by anything else apart from the music itself, using terms like "real" and "unreal" and phrases like "what do you have to be like". if you're so much of an uninteresting and poor being, that you need a music scene, a certain style of clothing or anything else to define yourself, you're really lost.
to answer the remaining questions:
2) deep medi, tectonic, dmz, tempa, hyperdub (blackbox also gonna be a benchmark label soon)
3) london, dmz, fwd

5)

6) not interested in that style, so i dont care
7) musically: nothing. apart from that: a big strife within the "scene" (well not him personally)