rational thinkin & the universe

[deadly_habit]

so what about those religious texts that predate the bible?

[snypadub]

give specific examples and i'll give you my opinion.

[deadly_habit]

the sumerian creation stories which the bible's are suspiciously similar to written 2000 years before the book of genesis

[bRRRz]

Science does not contradict the bible.

WHAT...THE...FUCK?!

[wormcode]

give specific examples and i'll give you my opinion.

Like the stuff the bible is based on probably http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/

[tuckerlinen]

ok, I have a theory
it either proves i'm an ignoramus or rather bright
probably damning though
ok....



the concept of nothing, of non-existence... how do you define it?
well you have to realize it in relation to its essential counterpart: existence

BANG!

i'm serious.
stupid language trick in all likelyhood. although, this does tie into some heady Eastern thought

[snypadub]

the sumerian creation stories which the bible's are suspiciously similar to written 2000 years before the book of genesis

Cool, I will look into them in the morning.

What really seperates the bible from other texts for me (besides some of the scripture itself) is the context into which it was written. It was written over a period of approximately 1500 years by a bunch of different people from kings to tax collectors yet, manages to remain remarkably consistent (this kind of supports the single author theory*)


*By single author I mean Gods word told through these people.

[deadly_habit]

well there is still argument to even it's translation from hebraic
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/11/b ... -academic/
one example

[wormcode]

the sumerian creation stories which the bible's are suspiciously similar to written 2000 years before the book of genesis

Cool, I will look into them in the morning.

What really seperates the bible from other texts for me (besides some of the scripture itself) is the context into which it was written. It was written over a period of approximately 1500 years by a bunch of different people from kings to tax collectors yet, manages to remain remarkably consistent (this kind of supports the single author theory*)


*By single author I mean Gods word told through these people.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

specifically contradictions: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

[snypadub]

well there is still argument to even it's translation from hebraic
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/10/11/b ... -academic/
one example

Bible translators often have to make choices as to which word to use when they translate a Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek word into English. At times, it is possible to translate one Hebrew word with more than one English word, and the translator’s choice can significantly affect how we understand the text. This however, is not the point.

You are touching on something that will cause a never ending debate between you and I because, I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour as; then you are able to discern the holy spirit's workings in your understanding.

The bible isn't just the words on the page, it is those words combined with the Holy Spirit (and the Trinity for that matter) that make the text understandable.

The scientist who wrote the article your example derives from translated the Aramaic to English using one of a possible multitude of words she could have selected in stead of separated. She may be a bible scholar but, it seems (at a glance) she has failed to recognise a pseudonym.

[wormcode]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour as; then you are able to discern the holy spirit's workings in your understanding.

Translation: Then you are able to twist things to suit your beliefs?
Are you really saying you can only understand the Bible if you believe in it as truth?

[mks]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour as; then you are able to discern the holy spirit's workings in your understanding.

Translation: Then you are able to twist things to suit your beliefs?
Are you really saying you can only understand the Bible if you believe in it as truth?

You caught that too.

[bRRRz]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour

Well what did he save you from? From the hell he himself created? He's such a nice bloke!

[snypadub]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour as; then you are able to discern the holy spirit's workings in your understanding.

Translation: Then you are able to twist things to suit your beliefs?
Are you really saying you can only understand the Bible if you believe in it as truth?

You can only understand the bible when you Believe in God as truth. And by understand, I mean grasp the overall message. No one truly understands the bible, it is God's word and God is incredibly incomprehensible.

I don't twist it to suit me at all. Have you ever witnessed me twisting the bible to suit my views?

[bRRRz]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour

Well what did he save you from? From the hell he himself created? He's such a nice bloke, isn't he?

edit: sry for doublepost

[mks]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour as; then you are able to discern the holy spirit's workings in your understanding.

Translation: Then you are able to twist things to suit your beliefs?
Are you really saying you can only understand the Bible if you believe in it as truth?

You can only understand the bible when you Believe in God as truth. And by understand, I mean grasp the overall message. No one truly understands the bible, it is God's word and God is incredibly incomprehensible.

I don't twist it to suit me at all. Have you ever witnessed me twisting the bible to suit my views?

Yeah, us non believers will never grasp it...

shit, this thread is getting too religious.

Here's the damn pope...

[snypadub]

I believe that the bible can only truly be understood when you have accepted that Christ is your personal saviour

Well what did he save you from? From the hell he himself created? He's such a nice bloke, isn't he?

edit: sry for doublepost

Christ saved me from myself. From my sin. Hell is eternity apart from God. You reject God, God rejects you simple.


As for the pope: I can't stand him, I hate when people take God and twist him into something he isn't. I don't like religion at all tbh, it's too full of doctrine and interpretation. I just love God.

[bRRRz]

Okay, I see now that I won't be able to change your mind.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. But every cell in my body hurts when I read that you base your views on logic and evidence.
That is such an insult to those concepts.

[borrowed]

Are you lot mental, the world is around 5,000 years old, FACT, God put every thing that exists today together in 7 days, FACT and he watches you every time you masturbate and does NOT approve , FACT. Science is Satans ploy.

Imagine going through your life actually believing the above, Fucking Hell.

not to derail but
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ik ... =5004;st=0

Dinosaurs fossils were planted by Satan to throw us on the wrong track, and away from the Lord. "Dinosaurs" never roamed the earth, and they never breathed. They only exist in the fossil state. Do not let Satan lead you away from the unaissailable truth the the Bible, which is God's unfaillible word.

Genesis 15:9
"So the LORD said to him, "Bring me a heifer, a goat and a ram, each three years old, along with a dove and a young pigeon."

[snypadub]

Are you lot mental, the world is around 5,000 years old, FACT, God put every thing that exists today together in 7 days, FACT and he watches you every time you masturbate and does NOT approve , FACT. Science is Satans ploy.

Imagine going through your life actually believing the above, Fucking Hell.

not to derail but
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ik ... =5004;st=0

Dinosaurs fossils were planted by Satan to throw us on the wrong track, and away from the Lord. "Dinosaurs" never roamed the earth, and they never breathed. They only exist in the fossil state. Do not let Satan lead you away from the unaissailable truth the the Bible, which is God's unfaillible word.

Genesis 15:9
"So the LORD said to him, "Bring me a heifer, a goat and a ram, each three years old, along with a dove and a young pigeon."

I believe in dinosaurs. I really do. Dinosaurs existed FACT. I also believe Noah had dinosaurs on the ARC. I believe humans and dinosaurs existed together.