Artists ... would you pay for Soundcloud training?

[staticcast]

It sounds interesting, I'm loving all the people saying just make good music, people really have no idea about marketing. Whether you like it or not, if you have the best product in the world and have shit marketing you won't sell fuck all.

when it comes to unsigned dance music this is patently untrue.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Whether you like it or not, if you have the best product in the world and have shit marketing you won't sell fuck all.

Erm No, Marketing spawned out of situations where, a superior product was just selling more than the inferior rivals and the inferior couldn't get a look in, so they need another avenue to convince people their product was better than the known. Reputation of a good product will out do any marketing campaign or spam fest and have people trusting in the quality. As the saying goes; 'People like to buy things, but they don't like to be sold things'. I'm sure DMZ's center ad in Q Magazine helped them grow as big as they have.

[Y_H]

Never..

[zerbaman]

It sounds interesting, I'm loving all the people saying just make good music, people really have no idea about marketing. Whether you like it or not, if you have the best product in the world and have shit marketing you won't sell fuck all.

when it comes to unsigned dance music this is patently untrue.

Take it from him. He made it big with minimal marketing first hand.

[bigfootspartan]

It'll sell, don't worry about that.

Not for me though. To be honest publishing a tune to soundcloud is sort of the anti-climax for me. Usually once it's been posted it's kinda finished. If other people listen and like it then that's cool, but thats not the point. The point was, I enjoyed making it.

For people who actually feel the need to get their tunes out there, this'll be a great tool. But for myself, I'm happy just making the tunes and playing them every once in a while.

[Ferryman]

How close are we to getting a demo of what it can do...? If we're getting one at all... (would that give away the product / method?).

[zerbaman]

How close are we to getting a demo of what it can do...? If we're getting one at all... (would that give away the product / method?).

It shouldn't. He could just do it on his own soundcloud page.

[SunkLo]

If he doesn't want to do it to his own soundcloud then maybe offer an evaluation copy to someone here in exchange for a review?

[darkartois]

I think it's something worthwhile for someone like me. I just don't have enough hours in the day to expose tunes like I used too. 55hour workweeks and a 11 week old baby make producing hard to fit in, never mind pushing it. I think it's awesome and would love to see how it works.

[Naan_Bread]

GV1: is this still happening?

[hayze99]

Most piss poor attempt at market research ever.

The product (comments and fanbase) is something that has it's substance derived by it's delivery. How are the users getting to the music? Is it industry connections - big shots listening in? Or a couple brosteppers on a forum somewhere waiting for the money to come trickling down?

Because those 2 products are worlds apart

[Mr Hyde]

Most piss poor attempt at market research ever.

The product (comments and fanbase) is something that has it's substance derived by it's delivery. How are the users getting to the music? Is it industry connections - big shots listening in? Or a couple brosteppers on a forum somewhere waiting for the money to come trickling down?

Because those 2 products are worlds apart

This is true. Personally I wouldn't take a lot of soundcloud followers/comments as anything too much to go by on success....although it does help to get more listens and the thing I really go on is how many people want to download your stuff, because then its an actual sign they want to use bandwidth/storage space and listen to your tunes repeatedly, I like the idea of people listening to my tunes on their iPods- nothing so elitist (at this point!) that I only want label owners and DJs playing them.

I see a few really good artists on there that don't follow anyone or comment at all and they have hardly any followers or comments. On the other hand some poorly produced generic bro-steppers follow 2000 people, have made 2000 comments and have likewise on their pages- making them look very popular.

I've been on there for about a year with about 400 followers and following 80 (80 that I genuinely want to hear their stuff). But last night got quite excited to see that T Power was following me and I wasn't following him.....then I realised he's following 2000 people.

Realised last night that you can follow loads of people and just mute them......so that's my free soundcloud training, if you want lots of followers and comments then do likewise because lots of people follow who is following them- it doesn't even have to spam up who you get updates from because you can mute them, and you get to let others feel popular!

Just depends if you want to put in the time and effort for it because it's unlikely any decent label/club night or whatever will care about your soundcloud status.

[Naan_Bread]

I agree completely.

I'm just somewhat curious as to what this thing actually is.

[Mr Hyde]

I've just followed an extra 350 people (off the list of people that played my tracks in the last month), I'll report back.

[Mr Hyde]

Damn, a flaw in my plan:

Muting means that X:
will no longer be able to send you messages
will no longer be able to share tracks with you
will no longer be able post new comments on your tracks
and also that you will no longer receive new Dashboard and email notifications from x
..

That's a bit annoying, I'm now following about 400 people that I don't want dashboard updates from, but it seems it'll actually look quite rude muting them!

[dj Cappa]

This thread is what's wrong with music these days.

People just caring about money, and not bout the music quality

[Mr Hyde]

This thread is what's wrong with music these days.

People just caring about money, and not bout the music quality

I dunno, perhaps you can say that about the people offering the scheme to make money by offering a service to get people more listeners.....they are about the money rather than music quality, but thats not really anything any PR, managers and record labels havent done since published music's been around- they are just offering a service to get you heard by more people. Its up to the listeners to decide if they like what they hear or not.

And I'm sure the majority of the producers trying to get themselves heard are only really in it because they want to make good music and get it heard by people, there are plenty of easier ways to make money!

[pdomino]

Soundcloud already does what people want it to do.
Am I missing something and why reinvent the wheel?