alex jones worshippers. this is for you. MASSIVE rant.

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:36 am

He also doesnt seem to know the differance between britain and australia.

Did the UK have a firearm amnesty / hand back ? - I know we did & 'most' private guns were given up to be destroyed (the bikies still got ders tho & will have for the forseeable future) - this was after a rather unfortunate incident in which alot of innocents were killed.

He comes off as a right turkey, making fun of Chomskys voice ??? & the bit where he brags about bein twice as smart with his hands tied behind his back? Derkhead. Prob appeals to his audience tho.

Chomsky seemed to really intimidate him. Altho he made 3 points which kinda tied Jones hands.

He undermined Alex Jones attempt to setup a false oppisition between 'the republic' & democracy. (Whos the shill?)

He badmouthed the founding fathers - considering Jones listeners that werent gonna fly.

& most importantlly - and this is the point at which Alex Jones really locked off - he suggested that the basis of this 'international conspiracy' wasn't down to an 'elite group', hellbent of destruction of peoples rights, but was in fact due to govt. bein a tool of private property.

Jones has very obvious intentions in his 'work' - sellng to peoples fears bein the main thrust of that station it would seem.

'Dont get Left in the dark' 'A hospital in your pocket'

the ads speak volumes.

This is my main problem with him. Hes selling something & he offers no stratagies for solving any of the problems he 'exposes'

I have to dissagree with Parsons above comment.

Alex Jones is activelly contributing to the state of helplessness both he and Chomsky agree has the population trapped.

Over-information - or the pornography of truth has long been a tactic in keeping people spectators.

I did like Chomskys emphasis on building community as a way of combating these issues. He at least makes attempts at formulating ways out of the hole we're in.

eh sorry bout the essay ( not bad fr 6am tho yh ) but designer-dissent has my back up at the moment.

In regards to seckles orig post. I took it to mean that there is a time n place for everything - this forum perhaps isnt the ideal place for this kinda disscussion.

And cheers for those links seckle - all things bein sed, the music Jones uses for throwin t commercials is wikid

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:26 am

doomstep wrote: This is my main problem with him. Hes selling something & he offers no stratagies for solving any of the problems he 'exposes'

Alex Jones is activelly contributing to the state of helplessness both he and Chomsky agree has the population trapped.

Over-information - or the pornography of truth has long been a tactic in keeping people spectators.

bingo. nail on head. the most ridiculous part about the conspiracists is that they seduce so many people into thinking outside of the box. just because an alternate view is put forward, NEVER means that it's right.

i watched the twin towers fall from 30 blocks away, and lost a school buddy in one of the towers. when infowars came out with the first few videos about the pentagon and trade center, i was transfixed. why? because someone was presenting an alternative to the mass media's line. after a few months of reading deeper into infowars i started seeing gaping holes in the theories. then i realized that infowars was simply a towering house of cards built on the clever re-interpretation of facts, to suit the angle being presented.

sure we need to always read between the lines and question authority. i don't need a website to tell me that. alex jones encourages people to link his site all over the internet, and people do blindly, not thinking about the fact that every hit he gets on infowars is bringing in $ to him.

conspiracists with radio shows and lecture circuits need to be taken with a grain of salt.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:19 pm

FUCK ALEX JONES..the info is the important thing.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:43 pm

nah alex jones will always be awesome for sneaking into the bohemian grove

proper badman

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:04 pm

seckle wrote:
doomstep wrote: This is my main problem with him. Hes selling something & he offers no stratagies for solving any of the problems he 'exposes'

Alex Jones is activelly contributing to the state of helplessness both he and Chomsky agree has the population trapped.

Over-information - or the pornography of truth has long been a tactic in keeping people spectators.
bingo. nail on head. the most ridiculous part about the conspiracists is that they seduce so many people into thinking outside of the box. just because an alternate view is put forward, NEVER means that it's right.

i watched the twin towers fall from 30 blocks away, and lost a school buddy in one of the towers. when infowars came out with the first few videos about the pentagon and trade center, i was transfixed. why? because someone was presenting an alternative to the mass media's line. after a few months of reading deeper into infowars i started seeing gaping holes in the theories. then i realized that infowars was simply a towering house of cards built on the clever re-interpretation of facts, to suit the angle being presented.

sure we need to always read between the lines and question authority. i don't need a website to tell me that. alex jones encourages people to link his site all over the internet, and people do blindly, not thinking about the fact that every hit he gets on infowars is bringing in $ to him.

conspiracists with radio shows and lecture circuits need to be taken with a grain of salt.

its knieve and presumptious to think ppl dont know this..
can we all forget about bashing alex jones and dicuss the information given..which im sure is the reason ppl post about infowars.
critique the facts rather than the person presenting them..YAWN

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:51 pm

Parson wrote:nah alex jones will always be awesome for sneaking into the bohemian grove

proper badman

Yeah. but, did he sneak in, or was he invited

The info is there. No one is hiding anything anymore. Jones even says this in that interview.

Information is being used as a weapon - and it isnt dis-information.

Vast tracts of CIA documents have been declassified in the last few years. Almost everything is availible thru US govt sites. Why is that? Who benefits from it?

In all the Infowars stuff Ive seen, Ive never once seen any alternative stratgies for change being put forward. Apart from a wierd kind of isolationist-survivalist headspace.

One ultra wierd thing for me at the end of those clips is Alex Jones 'need' to create a distinction between anarchist & communist ideology - I agree with him on this point, they are most def. not one n the same,

can anyone more familiar with his work as a whole tell me why he does this? Is he / Does he consider himself an anarchist? Some wierd anarcho-capitalist perhaps?

- im not tryna bash Jones for the sake of knocking him btw. But, within the context of this disscussion I think its important to question / understand his motives. Infowars is def not an unbiased, 1st person source of 'the truth' so ignoring the person presenting the info undermines the relevancy of the info presented.

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:45 pm

critique the facts rather than the person presenting them..YAWN

but what facts is he actually presenting? That 'Terrorstorm' video seems to be full of vague, inconsistent suspicions rather than any solid 'facts'. Most of what is said about the London bombings is simply wrong - for example, the initial guff about the 'power surges' came from LU, not the plod, and anyone who knows Euston can tell you why the number 30 was diverted down tavistock square (it would normally have gone straight past King's Cross station, where a bomb had just exploded) - and the rest is either inconsistent or contradictory.

He jumps on the police brutality vs menezes bandwagon (a bandwagon that misses the point entirely, because it was police incompetence that killed him) but then tails off with a very lame "he saw too much" explanation, not willing to admit that they killed him because they thought he was a bona fide terrorist.

He suggests that the police took special attention to only divert the number 30 that exploded, when in fact all buses that would normally have passed King's Cross were being diverted, and cites the eye witness accounts of one or two passengers from the bombed trains as gospel - i defy anyone to give a detailed, logical account of being in a confined tube train when a fucking bomb explodes.

He presents the corporate disaster contingency exercise - that had only vague similarities to what actually happened - as evidence of...what, exactly? Why would you run such an exercise the same day as intentionally bombing your own citizens? What would that achieve? What would allowing news of such an exercise to be spread achieve?

He talks about the concept of DoubleThink, and yet that film constantly tries to convince its audience that its quite interesting coincidences and half truths are "evidence", while offering no suggestion of what - other than a hazy, paranoid concept of "the elite vs us", that is. There's no facts in TerrorStorm, just.....ill-conceived bollocks.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:15 am

^ affected and knieve as fuck:lol:

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:48 am

J_J wrote:^ affected and knieve as fuck:lol:

Why not take a scientific method to what's actually said. If you take what he says as gospel without questioning

1/ The "fact" he's giving
2/ The authenticity of that fact
3/ The authenticity of the source of that fact

and then do that for each subsequent "fact" that he uses to give the previous "facts" weight, add in the amount of conclusions he makes which are completely unsubstantiated, frequent usage of police state, illuminati, new world order, etc and you either have a rivetting, news story that "they didn't want you to hear" or a load of meandering bollocks that no journalist worth a shit would submit as a story.

There's blatantly a load of underhand, corporate and government shenanigans going on in the world, and I'm not denying that, but there's more reliable places to get the information.

Try

http://www.schnews.org.uk/
http://www.corporatewatch.org/
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml
http://counterpunch.org/

Alex Jones talks like a bad salesman, and he's not even selling anything reliable. It's worth reading the "Clearing in the Forest" chapter in Jon Ronson's book "Them: Adventures with Extremism" concerning the Bohemian Grove incident, the conversation after Ronson and Jones witnessed the same event just shows the level of Jones' paranoid thought processes.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:04 am

^ thanks dad....

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:30 pm

J_J wrote:^ affected and knieve as fuck:lol:

i thought the "facts" were the important thing

relaks · Post by **relaks** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:48 pm

This is a good discussion.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:10 pm

so i was thinkin

so what if jones doesn't offer solutions to these problems he's pointing out?

what if there doesn't seem to be any feasible solutions until the mass majority of the world's population wakes up to the fact that things are not at all like they're told.

so what if he sees his sole mission to be to serve as a wake-up call for the billions who really need it.

so what if it rubs intellectuals the wrong way. he's got good info and he gets it out there.

carl sagan once said something along the lines of that we shouldn't send astronauts or scientists to meet the aliens if we find them (he didn't believe we contacted em ever). he thought we should send a poet.

not that jones is a poet, but he's got a fuckofalot more charisma than noam.

you have got to be on some serious ritalin to sit through one of his talks all the way through.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:13 pm

wake n bake y'all

holla

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:14 pm

he's got good info

has he, though? he's got plenty of halftruths, strange coincidences and conspiracy theories, but no actual facts

judging on what i watched/read/listened to of his, anyway.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:17 pm

seems less like strange half truths, coincidences and conspiracy theories when you've been immersed in the info for a while

it makes sense and fits together

if anything i personally would say that his truth is incomplete because he doesn't believe in aliens

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:20 pm

Parson wrote:so what if it rubs intellectuals the wrong way. he's got good info and he gets it out there.

The info is a bit patchy as PK pointed out. Anti-intellectualism is not a virtue and has been used by virtually every power-monger in history - keeping people dumb and misinformed generally works a treat (whether left or right wing)

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:20 pm

Parson wrote:so what if jones doesn't offer solutions to these problems he's pointing out?

Because hes just whippin up fear for the sake ofit (at best)

Parson wrote: what if there doesn't seem to be any feasible solutions until the mass majority of the world's population wakes up to the fact that things are not at all like they're told.

because this is an exetremlly patronizing p.o.v. Do you actually know / talk to any workingclass people, they know exactlly whats up.

Parson wrote:he's got good info and he gets it out there.

Well, I dont think he does. He doesnt have any info which isnt already in the public arena & the context in which he places it doesn't change anything or help anyone.

At best he might be radicalizing people who, maybe, werent gonna be radicalized, but still, I dunno.

Then theres the fact that I think he is doing more damage than good - and Im deeply suspect of his motives.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:23 pm

people don't believe me when i say stuff about presidential bloodlines, and occult allegiances

people don't know about this shit

its not patronizing and its not condescending and its not lying or half truths or stange coincidencs

there is real fucked up shit going on

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:26 pm

Parson wrote:seems less like strange half truths, coincidences and conspiracy theories when you've been immersed in the info for a while

it makes sense and fits together

if anything i personally would say that his truth is incomplete because he doesn't believe in aliens

immersed

truth is incomplete

respect n that but wow!

Helter Skelter is comin down fassst

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