SKRILLEX - constructive critiscism only please

[SloppySeconds]

op you are delusional we all love skrill after this release

[frizzwah]

op is a hater

[DREdio]

whats this dumpstump nonsense ur all blathering about?

[vax]

People just love to hate on the popular cool kids that are trending. Skrillex has huge talent. The guy successfully transitioned from being the singer of a well known hardcore band to being the darling child of dubstep almost overnight. How many people can do something like that? And he does it all using just a laptop with Ableton Live. The guy doesn't even have a proper midi controller and he's making music that rips people's heads off and tons of producers are trying to emulate. Major props to him. I don't care what anyone says.

sorry, it's kind of an argumentative cop-out to employ this observation, but the fact that you actually BOUGHT all the Skrillex BS (succesfully transitioned overnight, produces on just laptop with ableton with some shitty speakers) pretty much instantly singles you out as either young, or simple.

a) i was "there" when he was in a "hardcore" band. i was very much into post-hardcore at the time From First to Last started "trending", and that band, plus the wave of imitators that followed (Aiden, for example) was both a the first and final nail in its coffin. Atrocious music that single-handedly attracted the derogatory use of the "emo" handle. i have nothing against high-pitched vocals, but there are miles of lines in the sand between this



and this



if the second vid doesn't instantly cause you to go "gaaaaaaaayyy!!!!", then.... i dunno... i guess: enjoy your Twilight saga, tween cigarette.

i was gonna recommend some proper post-hardcore, but I'm going to wait for your feelings on FFTL, so I know if i'm wasting my time.

2. he didn't transition shit. after leaving FFTL he struggled for years producing horrid near-outsider-music-quality emotronica shite like this



this is by far the most PASSABLE output from that timeframe, sadly the HILARIOUS shit that was on his myspace isn't there anymore

3. "darling child of dubstep", "music that rips people's heads off and tons of producers are trying to emulate" hahahaha. what, you've been reading mau5trap promos like they were actual reviews?

he first heard "dubstep" something like... one year ago, via a second-, if not a third-hand source: Borgore. he actually admits to this in an interview. as emo kids will be, he was instantly drawn to the sound. so, first he does some awful remixes and a shitty EP of "br000tal" "electrohouse" and "dubstep" "tunes" with awful cheesy speech-synth verses and sound-design based around the philosophy of turning distortion up to 11.

then media blackout.

then, 6 months later, album chock-full of tracks with top-notch production on the drops (I'll admit to that, but honestly who GIVES A SHIT about basses made with the "modern talking" wavetable in Massive anymore?! a horse beaten well into putrefaction, that) but with the most awful fucking melodies and dismally chopped-up whiny grating vocals in between the drops. almost like... parts on the same song weren't made by the same person! gasp...

of course, you have no idea who I am, nor will I make it in any way clear who I am, and you, of course, have no reason to believe me. but, nevertheless, the story goes like this:

Spor takes some time off from working on his debut album as Feed Me (which also comes out on mau5trap a couple of months after Skrillex's, and sounds almost like a much much much much better and bereft of the revoltingly, vomit-inducing saccharine cheese of the former) and reworks some of his album out-takes into usable drops.
Excision and Datsik get a call, make some guy some drum loops and some Massive patches, get paid.
Noisia are called in for a little R&D.
Deadmau5 (who is by no means untalented) looms over the entire process.

And so we arrive at this Frankenstein's monster of aggro popular dance music that is "Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites" (good name!). I find it really funny that this is being said in a Britney thread... quite appropriate. Same degree of a "collaborative" effort, nonetheless.

anyways, the "rips people's heads off" and "producers are trying to emulate" doesn't ring so true anymore, does it? i don't see anyone struggling to emulate the whiny emo crap he does by himself on top, more like i see people trying to emulate the kind of drops they've been trying to emulate for years, ever since excision, datsik, 16bit, noisia, spor, borgore and other splendid producers with appropriate mileage hit the spotlight.

now you might be thinking... "but if he ain't doing anything himself, what would be the point of paying all these other guys to ghost produce, instead of just releasing more material by the guys themselves?"

well, very simple: excision is a guy from middle Canada with a hoodie, and kind of a hard man. noisia are three down to earth dudes from the netherlands. spor is a soft-spoken aphex fan. skrillex is a meth-head who chain smokes, tweeks out, looks like a goth Mowgli, and so on. and that will always do wonders for the angsty rebellious tween demographic. and skrillex had been on WB's roster ever since working with Ross Robinson on FFTL's Heroine. they saw an opportunity, and had the perfect poster child for it. they threw some wads of money around, did some beatport top 10 magic, and, voila, MrSparkle666 has a new favorite "dubstep" "musician" with heaps of "talent" to his name.

But, of course, you "don't care what anyone says". Fine, enjoy willful ignorance and willful bad taste.

http://forum.watmm.com/topic/64859-brit ... try1550825

[Sonika]

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i had a chuckle on many levels with that one.

@sonika, i see your point, but man... who cares? you're not going to change any minds with a thread on DSF. haters gonna hate. let them. there's no such thing as negative publicity. no need to be skrill's advocate.

You're very right. Its just upsetting to see these two different groups of people, each representing two very different types of music, BOTH types which I love immensely, to always be going at each other

[garethom]

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i had a chuckle on many levels with that one.

@sonika, i see your point, but man... who cares? you're not going to change any minds with a thread on DSF. haters gonna hate. let them. there's no such thing as negative publicity. no need to be skrill's advocate.

You're very right. Its just upsetting to see these two different groups of people, each representing two very different types of music, BOTH types which I love immensely, to always be going at each other

Lol, nobody would be going against each other if these threads weren't started.

[JBoy]

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i had a chuckle on many levels with that one.

@sonika, i see your point, but man... who cares? you're not going to change any minds with a thread on DSF. haters gonna hate. let them. there's no such thing as negative publicity. no need to be skrill's advocate.

You're very right. Its just upsetting to see these two different groups of people, each representing two very different types of music, BOTH types which I love immensely, to always be going at each other

Its a forum so people will obviously have different opinions. Youre not going to get any love for skrillex on this forum, ever.

[Sonika]

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i had a chuckle on many levels with that one.

@sonika, i see your point, but man... who cares? you're not going to change any minds with a thread on DSF. haters gonna hate. let them. there's no such thing as negative publicity. no need to be skrill's advocate.

You're very right. Its just upsetting to see these two different groups of people, each representing two very different types of music, BOTH types which I love immensely, to always be going at each other

Its a forum so people will obviously have different opinions. Youre not going to get any love for skrillex on this forum, ever.

Good point, but this was more directed at people on sores like YouTube commenting dumb remarks to start fights

[Lichee]

dude I made a thread like this before, you're wasting your time, people on here preach 'it's all subjective' until it's music that goes against the DSF bandwagon and then they get hyped and angry and all get in a corner and kiss and talk about how shit Skrillex is. If you like Skrillex cool, if you don't, also cool. It's all opinion

[mIrReN]

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[seckle]

READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE YOU POST
I personally like many of the songs that Skrillex has put out, as do I ALSO like more minimal, "pure" dubstep such as Skream, Benga, etc.

Basically, on ALL of these Skrillex songs on youtube, on all of the forums, on EVERYTHING, there's always some dubstep "purist" yelling about how Skrillex "isn't real dubstep," etc.
Okay. First of all, you're right, he isnt that minimal garage style stuff like Skream makes, but please explain how a song like Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites isnt dubstep. 140 bpm? yup. Kick on one, snare on 3? yup. Low register, modulated bassline? Hell yeah. Admittedly, it's a lot more layered and a lot less dark, but that's just evolution. Honestly, it's a lot tougher to create a Skrillex song than a Skream song - I re-made "Filth" by Skream perfectly on Logic in half an hour, I have yet to even get the opening for Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites right. It's fine that you don't like Skrillex, no one's asking you to - but can you please refrain from all of the straight up nasty ad homonym remarks like "ahhhh you're all Hi, I'm a homophobe shitty fucking ass music not real dubstep this stupid mainstream long haired Hi, I'm a homophobe. sucks cock."
THAT DOESNT GET ANYONE ANYWHERE.

Oh, and for the record, Skream and Skrillex are good friends:
quote from a Skream interview: "I love Skrillex. He's my boy."

And don't go after Skrillex's personality either, because he's a really nice guy - REALLY nice. And he's a really hard worker. As far as him TRYING to be mainstream goes, a quote from one of his interviews:
"I would have been happy just making a few 100 bucks a week performing at local clubs. This whole thing just kinda blew up."

And one last thing - so many of you hate on him, but all he has is love for you. He even respects you. Just think about that.

Just so its clear as there are so many people that assume things about skrillex and this forum, the reason why this thread is locked is that unfortunately, he is probably the number one troll target on this site in the last 10 months. Any new threads in regards to Skrillex simply get trolled to the point of futility. Above this thread, you can see a "Most Repeated Topics" link.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=172790
If you click that, there are Skrillex threads there where you can carry on discussions in defense of / criticism of / debate over him and his music.

This summer we reached out to skrillex to see if he wanted his own acct on this site, as there are about 7 fake accts created to troll him, but those attempts haven't been successful. If skrillex or someone in his camp is reading this, and wants to establish an official acct here, please get in touch via pm's. We won't allow any popular artist to get massively trolled anymore, as it turns this place into a tabloid, and as a growing community in this sound we're trying to promote reasonable discussions.