SKRILLEX - CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ONLY PLEASE

[BaseBass]

The fact that skrillex is the main cause that people started to call the genre "Brostep" just pisses me off =P.

I myself am anything BUT a bro haha. I dont like their clothing, the lifestyle... or the way they walk and talk. So I feel embarressed to say: I make Brostep... or I listen to Brostep. Because it's just a gay ass name for a genre. If old Rock 'n Roll would be the equivelant of dubstep... then brostep could just as well just be called "Hardstep", or just Hard Dubstep... just like having Rock and Hard Rock.

I personally don´t care what people think about the different kinds of sound. Music is free opinion right? I kinda like certain Skrillex songs, but I was there when the first real dubstep came along. I went to those old fashion underground partjes. I can't really say what I prefer. I have my phases. I don't really mind the rougher, robotic basslines... as long as it has rythmm and atmosphere. I'm currently more into the dry, rythmmic tunes like KOAN Sound - The Edge, Datsik etc. But probably in a few months that will change again. I like to keep things fresh and new for myself. That way, when I re-listen to old songs, they sound new again.

[Sparxy]

This is almost as retarded as Toric's thread about his knowledge on "marketing and exhibitions" in the "dubstep industry"

I miss toric

He was supposed to be halfway to selling his 30k records by now, wonder how he's getting on

He must be knee deep in clunge right now. As a record label boss and all round marketing genius, how could he not be?

[deadly_habit]

The fact that skrillex is the main cause that people started to call the genre "Brostep" just pisses me off =P.

I myself am anything BUT a bro haha. I dont like their clothing, the lifestyle... or the way they walk and talk. So I feel embarressed to say: I make Brostep... or I listen to Brostep. Because it's just a gay ass name for a genre. If old Rock 'n Roll would be the equivelant of dubstep... then brostep could just as well just be called "Hardstep", or just Hard Dubstep... just like having Rock and Hard Rock.

I personally don´t care what people think about the different kinds of sound. Music is free opinion right? I kinda like certain Skrillex songs, but I was there when the first real dubstep came along. I went to those old fashion underground partjes. I can't really say what I prefer. I have my phases. I don't really mind the rougher, robotic basslines... as long as it has rythmm and atmosphere. I'm currently more into the dry, rythmmic tunes like KOAN Sound - The Edge, Datsik etc. But probably in a few months that will change again. I like to keep things fresh and new for myself. That way, when I re-listen to old songs, they sound new again.

people were calling this shit brostep long before skrillex showed up

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Rusko likes to say he made brostep "brostep" with cockney thug.

[deadly_habit]

i just like to call it loud random noises

[Phase Down]

Skrillex was fine with making coupla $100? Then how come skrillex quit his original emo cut me band from first to last to focus on his solo career, which sucked and then got lucky in the dubstep scene? to not make any money? his production is tight but don't tell me this bullshit.

Have you heard of any producers that don't want to make any money? because I certainly haven't.

U don't properly read my friend(and yes I do know producers who are not in it for the cash, many breakcore artist's don't make any money at all), although, I was saying don't say skrillex is not in it for the money, when he definitely is. I did not say it was bad for him to do so.

fair play, but you didn't read mine either. I never said there were no producers that don't make any money, I'm a producer that doesn't make any money. My buddy has some releases and doesn't make any money. I was just stating that I don't know of any producers that say "I want to produce music, but I never want to make any money doing it". clearly just a ball of confusion between us, and my statement wasn't meant to be an attack, just a response.

Fair enough to you, no worries and buddies? I also thought brostep as a name already died and was more of a joke than anything?

[BaseBass]

i just like to call it loud random noises

Well no that is not entirely true. If the basses are just slighty too dirty people already call it Brostep. Which is bullshit imo. Many of these songs have a definite groove and melody to them.
Even if it's just slightly too rough for their own taste, people bash it down to Brostep.

You don't see Drum 'n Bass fans do that at all... you have DnB with dirty basses.. I don't see anyone calling it "Bro 'n Bass" or "Drum 'n Bro." It's ridiculous.

[Sparxy]

i just like to call it loud random noises

Well no that is not entirely true. If the basses are just slighty too dirty people already call it Brostep. Which is bullshit imo. Many of these songs have a definite groove and melody to them.
Even if it's just slightly too rough for their own taste, people bash it down to Brostep.

You don't see Drum 'n Bass fans do that at all... you have DnB with dirty basses.. I don't see anyone calling it "Bro 'n Bass" or "Drum 'n Bro." It's ridiculous.

In DnB its called clownstep! You definitely hear drum n bass fans doing it!!!!!

*EDIT* also its nothing to do with how dirty the tune is. It's to do with how gay, shit and cheesy it sounds. Below is a very dirty tune that keeps it classy. Its all about the vibes.

[Jas0n]

Skrillex has done huge things for the genre he works in, regardless of what it is to be called. What I don't like about the dubstep scene is the way it is so protected by a sort of hipster contingent... such that Skrillex is to be smeared precisely because he is enjoyed by people who aren't part of said hipster contingent.

I don't buy the idea that there can be no objective standard for musical quality, and that is an argument that has to be made, at least tacitly, in order to say that nobody can claim their taste to be superior to the taste of others. I would very much like to debate the matter of these objective standards sometime if there's someone around who gets off on that sort of thing. In any case it is telling that the criticisms of Skrillex ultimately have to come down to criticisms of his fanbase rather than his artistry.

Viva Skrillex.

[deadly_habit]

like i said skrillex is a genius marketing ploy, nothing more and will move on as soon as dubstep isn't racking up cash, kinda like the boys from pendulum just jumped onto the bandwagon finally with knife party
the same thing happened in dnb jumping ship to electro/fidget house (and some have jumped to dubstep now)
it's a matter of staying relevant so they can continue to get bookings and not have to work a normal dayjob again heh

more power to em

but you don't understand people being protective of a genre they dig from an influx of fans of the latest trend with no interest in the rest as a normal reaction? come on now
it's the blatant commercialization i think that people get offended by like someone getting credit for creating something that they just jumped on the bandwagon of

[Maccaveli]

BaseBass, you're so wrong in so many different ways....

[DJ Sampletank]

I like a few Skrillex tunes, I just wish I didn't have to look at his face.

As for the whole brostep thing, I don't see the point, it should all be dubstep, in the same way that Black Sabbath and In Flames are both metal, different styles, but both metal.

[BaseBass]

BaseBass, you're so wrong in so many different ways....

Well I did not know much about clownstep... guess I'll look into it.

But it is pretty obvious right? The people who categorize Brostep and Dubstep, and DnB from Clownstep are NOT even clear on their own rules. When do you call a song Brostep instead of Dubstep? As long as there are no better arguments then: "Well... if it sounds cheesy", then Brostep will never be a real genre. A genre defines a certain sound and characteristics. Not if it sounds cheesy or not. Many people hate the f*ck out of Nickelback... but they still play Rock or Poprock (depends on the song). Sure you can call it pussy rock... but that's just an opinion, not a genre.

I'm not defending anyone here (especially not Skrillex). I'm just saying... people keep bashing songs to the Brostep "genre" without even knowing what the rules are for a song to be brostep in the first place. Get those clear, and then we'll talk. I constantly see people saying: "Yo! This ain't dubstep man! How dare you call it that?" as if someone stepped on their dick or something . The real reason why Skrillex isn't a real dubstep artist, is because 2/3 of his freakin' songs are progressive house or dance... and he SOMETIMES uses influences from later dubstep styles. Most of is songs are far from 140 bpm. Have typical house or trancy vocals and synths.

[Artie_Fufkin]

You guys are so last year. It's all about the nu metal dubstep crossover now. This is the future.

[hutyluty]

BaseBass, you're so wrong in so many different ways....

Well I did not know much about clownstep... guess I'll look into it.

But it is pretty obvious right? The people who categorize Brostep and Dubstep, and DnB from Clownstep are NOT even clear on their own rules. When do you call a song Brostep instead of Dubstep? As long as there are no better arguments then: "Well... if it sounds cheesy", then Brostep will never be a real genre. A genre defines a certain sound and characteristics. Not if it sounds cheesy or not. Many people hate the f*ck out of Nickelback... but they still play Rock or Poprock (depends on the song). Sure you can call it pussy rock... but that's just an opinion, not a genre.

I'm not defending anyone here (especially not Skrillex). I'm just saying... people keep bashing songs to the Brostep "genre" without even knowing what the rules are for a song to be brostep in the first place. Get those clear, and then we'll talk. I constantly see people saying: "Yo! This ain't dubstep man! How dare you call it that?" as if someone stepped on their dick or something . The real reason why Skrillex isn't a real dubstep artist, is because 2/3 of his freakin' songs are progressive house or dance... and he SOMETIMES uses influences from later dubstep styles. Most of is songs are far from 140 bpm. Have typical house or trancy vocals and synths.

brostep as a term was invented as an insult lol- no idea how its become a genre description

simply put its stuff which i dont like, as in what i would term brostep. I dont listen to enough of it to be able to categorise it perfectly but pretty much this: if it has sub it is dubstep, if it doesnt then it isnt

[BaseBass]

BaseBass, you're so wrong in so many different ways....

Well I did not know much about clownstep... guess I'll look into it.

But it is pretty obvious right? The people who categorize Brostep and Dubstep, and DnB from Clownstep are NOT even clear on their own rules. When do you call a song Brostep instead of Dubstep? As long as there are no better arguments then: "Well... if it sounds cheesy", then Brostep will never be a real genre. A genre defines a certain sound and characteristics. Not if it sounds cheesy or not. Many people hate the f*ck out of Nickelback... but they still play Rock or Poprock (depends on the song). Sure you can call it pussy rock... but that's just an opinion, not a genre.

I'm not defending anyone here (especially not Skrillex). I'm just saying... people keep bashing songs to the Brostep "genre" without even knowing what the rules are for a song to be brostep in the first place. Get those clear, and then we'll talk. I constantly see people saying: "Yo! This ain't dubstep man! How dare you call it that?" as if someone stepped on their dick or something . The real reason why Skrillex isn't a real dubstep artist, is because 2/3 of his freakin' songs are progressive house or dance... and he SOMETIMES uses influences from later dubstep styles. Most of is songs are far from 140 bpm. Have typical house or trancy vocals and synths.

brostep as a term was invented as an insult lol- no idea how its become a genre description

simply put its stuff which i dont like, as in what i would term brostep. I dont listen to enough of it to be able to categorise it perfectly but pretty much this: if it has sub it is dubstep, if it doesnt then it isnt

yeah I know it's an insult... that's what's so frustrating about this whole Brostep thing. It's an insult that get's used too lightly and to fast. I looked into this whole "Clownstep" thing... and most of the songs that are called that name, don't even have a genuine DnB beat. or have almost no bass and alot of high synths. So yeah... that's just making a song and then plastering the label "Drum 'n Bass" to it. So I get the fact that people don't accept it as real Drum 'n Bass.

But for example, look at this (I found it on this forum via google by coincidence a few days ago):

Yes, I know...
I saw it through UKF, but that dude finally uploaded something good.
I mean, KOAN Sound is absolutely killing it on that track.
Anyone who agrees with me?

i would categorize this one as brostep

Its of the good kind though, its not trying to blow your face off, its trying to make you get funky.

So suddenly it's not an insult anymore? It's the "Good kind"? That's like if I said: Hey man you're a real asshole.... but you're the good kind of asshole .

So again: Yes I understand why people are frustrated by the fact that Skrillex had become the face of dubstep. It's because most of his songs are not even close to it... and yet the unknowing people who are unfamiliar with dubstep think that a song like "Reptile" is dubstep. Which is just wrong.

[cmgoodman1226]

like i said skrillex is a genius marketing ploy, nothing more and will move on as soon as dubstep isn't racking up cash, kinda like the boys from pendulum just jumped onto the bandwagon finally with knife party
the same thing happened in dnb jumping ship to electro/fidget house (and some have jumped to dubstep now)
it's a matter of staying relevant so they can continue to get bookings and not have to work a normal dayjob again heh

more power to em

but you don't understand people being protective of a genre they dig from an influx of fans of the latest trend with no interest in the rest as a normal reaction? come on now
it's the blatant commercialization i think that people get offended by like someone getting credit for creating something that they just jumped on the bandwagon of

When did skrillex ever take credit for dubstep? or pendulum for dnb? You have a bit of a moot point there. If the producers you like are serious about keeping their sound, then why the hell would you concern yourself with commercialization? The same happened with dnb and there's plenty of heads still making that "original sound". The same happened in hip hop and there's no shortage of boom bap still being produced... And anybody who is that serious about getting credit for something is probably more concerned about their "legacy" than the music they make.

And since when is "bandwagoning" such a huge deal? I'm sorry that I wasn't aware of the creeping up of a new genre in 1999. People hear something new that they like, and so they decide they want to try making it or something like it. I get your point that people get in and get out once it's not so popular anymore, but everybody just made the decision that that's what skrillex is going to do as if they actually know him... You don't like his music, FINE, I don't really like it either, but I'm so tired of hearing about how he's ruining dubstep. If skrillex ruins dubstep, than I promise you, you never had a real scene to begin with. Stop acting like a child not getting his way and listen to what you like (not directed at you deadly habit, but so many of the other "true-dubsteppers). Did Rick ross or waka flaka kill real hip hop?, NO. Did pendulum kill DNB?, NO. Is skrillex going to kill dubstep?, NO.
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[MUT3]

You guys are so last year. It's all about the nu metal dubstep crossover now. This is the future.

bhaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[deadly_habit]

like i said skrillex is a genius marketing ploy, nothing more and will move on as soon as dubstep isn't racking up cash, kinda like the boys from pendulum just jumped onto the bandwagon finally with knife party
the same thing happened in dnb jumping ship to electro/fidget house (and some have jumped to dubstep now)
it's a matter of staying relevant so they can continue to get bookings and not have to work a normal dayjob again heh

more power to em

but you don't understand people being protective of a genre they dig from an influx of fans of the latest trend with no interest in the rest as a normal reaction? come on now
it's the blatant commercialization i think that people get offended by like someone getting credit for creating something that they just jumped on the bandwagon of

When did skrillex ever take credit for dubstep? or pendulum for dnb? You have a bit of a moot point there. If the producers you like are serious about keeping their sound, then why the hell would you concern yourself with commercialization? The same happened with dnb and there's plenty of heads still making that "original sound". The same happened in hip hop and there's no shortage of boom bap still being produced... And anybody who is that serious about getting credit for something is probably more concerned about their "legacy" than the music they make.

And since when is "bandwagoning" such a huge deal? I'm sorry that I wasn't aware of the creeping up of a new genre in 1999. People hear something new that they like, and so they decide they want to try making it or something like it. I get your point that people get in and get out once it's not so popular anymore, but everybody just made the decision that that's what skrillex is going to do as if they actually know him... You don't like his music, FINE, I don't really like it either, but I'm so tired of hearing about how he's ruining dubstep. If skrillex ruins dubstep, than I promise you, you never had a real scene to begin with. Stop acting like a child not getting his way and listen to what you like (not directed at you deadly habit, but so many of the other "true-dubsteppers). Did Rick ross or waka flaka kill real hip hop?, NO. Did pendulum kill DNB?, NO. Is skrillex going to kill dubstep?, NO.
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when all the crap sounds the same and generic rip offs of each other and that's all a night consists of and people are moshing to midrange instead of dancing is when a scene has gone to shit
bandwagoning is a big deal because you see producers with a name in another scene make generic or subpar tunes jump into the latest big thing and they sell because of their old fame and it overshadows the real talent, that and who likes hipsters heh

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

Anyone who is famous deserves it, one way or another. Stop derping and go listen to this and realize Skrillex is better than Skreem:

Realize that Skrillex is better than Skream... yes ok. you win chad.
Skrillex is better than Skream, I love that guy