Reason Producer Certificate Program

[Electric_Head]

that is a professional course intended to get you a certificate upon completion.
which does not give you creative knowledge or an understanding of music.
I did an Autodesk Certified Professional course which my company paid for.
It was $7000.
I would never have done it myself if not for the company.
When I was done the only benefit was a certificate which I can show prospective employers.
Beyond that it didn`t help me to Design any better.
I already had that knowledge.
I didn't learn a thing.
I new all of it before I did the course and if I bring all of into perspective, I was only shown random pointless garbage - no real world concepts.

I can`t see this being any different.
There's no substitute for hands-on.

[laurend]

Mastering with Reason is a joke.

[blinx]

Mastering with Reason is a joke.

yup, cant do much with cartoonish meters and no "real" values to even use as reference. Reason has some cool synth's and the combinator stuff is cool, but id only rewire Reason into a real DAW these days.

[-[2]DAY_-]

thats really all its meant for once you get past simple beat making. As i've said too many times... its 10000x more a powerhouse vsti than it is a daw

[MoonUnit]

that is a professional course intended to get you a certificate upon completion.
which does not give you creative knowledge or an understanding of music.
I did an Autodesk Certified Professional course which my company paid for.
It was $7000.
I would never have done it myself if not for the company.
When I was done the only benefit was a certificate which I can show prospective employers.
Beyond that it didn`t help me to Design any better.
I already had that knowledge.
I didn't learn a thing.
I new all of it before I did the course and if I bring all of into perspective, I was only shown random pointless garbage - no real world concepts.

I can`t see this being any different.
There's no substitute for hands-on.

Thanks, but I think I'm going to proceed with the certificate course if I an accrue the money quickly enough. The thing is, it is a hands-on course and if I go to do the program in New York, I'll be sitting down with some real credible Reason producers, from what I hear, and if show to them what knowledge I already have gathered on my own, hopefully they will be able to help me build upon that. Technically, they don't have to teach me anything beyond what they have in their 'curriculum,' but I'm sure if I show enthusiasm to beyond that, they'd be happy to help me. The one thing I've learned from being in and out of school is that you get what you make of it. I've done a couple years college and got absolutely nothing out of the courses whose subject matter was uninteresting to me and took quite a bit away from those I found engaging and interesting.

[Electric_Head]

that`s cool, I`m not sure of your current level so it may assist you in many aspects.

[-[2]DAY_-]

i'll give you the wobbles in my sig for $20, combi file.

I dunno man i mean the thing is for $5000 your investment ought to be in a field that's pro level.. you can design great instruments in Reason but you could pay $100,000 and you're NEVER going to mix an industry standard track in it. If you want to be in production enough to spend that kind of bread on it, start with the right software and then go for training in that.

Reason has diminishing returns on the time and money you spend in it, until you rewire your sounds, track them to a DAW, and progress on your mixing and engineering skills. Unless your goal is fully sound creation and composition.

[RmoniK]

MAstering in reason is fine. You don't need Ozone to master well. Make interesting combinators, with vary-mu compressors, mid-side processing, multiband parallel compression, ...

[tintala]

You don't have to take the "certificate" program, there are non cert options for cheaper. Also, the instructors who teach you are very experienced and known professionals, I guarantee you will learn things you never thought of.. Sure some things about it are redundant, but there are details that would take years to learn, if you have tons of time to learn it yourself like a full time job, then don't do it, but if you can afford it, and want the knowledge expedited , and thouroughly learned , it will be a great experience. The Berklee online programs are very beneficial and have won awards. But they are not for everyone, it's like saying, I love to work on Hondas, should I take that course to become a honda certified mechanic?

They are very in depth about teaching it, there are minute details in Reason even the most experienced user may not be aware of.

Hey, I was wondering if you might be able to give an example of a non-certificate program that you've come across...
thanks for opening that option up to my mind

I can tell you ones I have taken, such as MIDI SEQUENCING in REASON as well as PRODUCING MUSIC IN REASON. they are 12 week courses. The same courses can be had as certificate programs, the only thing is, you can use those credits for say a resume or something , maybe intern in a studio... but it costs about 200$ more per class.

[tintala]

After reading some of the responses here, from people who just read the manual and think that you will learn everything from "fucking around" and reading, watching youtube, bullshit.
I can tell you that there are things I would never have figured out if not taken the course: for example, using the REGROOVE groove machine effectively. There are things you need to know before trying to apply generic grooves.

Also, Using the channels on say the redrum as well as curve BIPOLAR cv outs on the matrix to control another patch. As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual or anywhere on tube. Such as applying channels to a mixer allowing for individual sends and applying affects.. the nnxt is a must to learn inside out.

How do you know that these courses don't teach anything or you can learn thru the manual if you've never taken the course????

[RmoniK]

After reading some of the responses here, from people who just read the manual and think that you will learn everything from "fucking around" and reading, watching youtube, bullshit.
I can tell you that there are things I would never have figured out if not taken the course: for example, using the REGROOVE groove machine effectively. There are things you need to know before trying to apply generic grooves.

Also, Using the channels on say the redrum as well as curve BIPOLAR cv outs on the matrix to control another patch. As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual or anywhere on tube. Such as applying channels to a mixer allowing for individual sends and applying affects.. the nnxt is a must to learn inside out.

How do you know that these courses don't teach anything or you can learn thru the manual if you've never taken the course????

I don't wanna brag here, but i'm pretty sure i know most of the stuff you learned in that thing. I'm sure it's a great course, it's just madly overpriced.

[AllNightDayDream]

As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual or anywhere on tube. Such as applying channels to a mixer allowing for individual sends and applying affects.. the nnxt is a must to learn inside out.

the xt is probably my favorite plug in, but what do you mean here? Are you talking about applying sends to individual zones? Because I would love to know that.

[bassinine]

spend that 5k on ableton suite and some tom cosm workshops. and have over 3k left over.

on that note, i was planning on going to Berklee for production - until i found out that you have to audition with a performance instrument to get accepted into anything but the online course. then planned on finding something else, like full sail, but realized i could use the time and money it takes to get a music degree and get a fucking LAW degree (since i already have a 4 year degree). and having a law degree, i would have a guaranteed job (unlike in the music industry) and PLENTY of money to buy all the studio gear i could ever want.

basically, it would be fucking awesome to take a 3-4 year program on production - but it would be almost impossible for it to guarantee you a job, or pay for itself over a few years. try making $100k on music, it's going to be fucking hard (read: impossible) even WITH a degree and mad skills.


oh look, i went on a tirade about things vaguely relating to the op.. that's unusual.

[RmoniK]

As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual or anywhere on tube. Such as applying channels to a mixer allowing for individual sends and applying affects.. the nnxt is a must to learn inside out.

the xt is probably my favorite plug in, but what do you mean here? Are you talking about applying sends to individual zones? Because I would love to know that.

Just change the output of each zone?...

[AllNightDayDream]

As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual or anywhere on tube. Such as applying channels to a mixer allowing for individual sends and applying affects.. the nnxt is a must to learn inside out.

the xt is probably my favorite plug in, but what do you mean here? Are you talking about applying sends to individual zones? Because I would love to know that.

Just change the output of each zone?...

Jesus I feel dumb for not looking at that knob before

[RmoniK]

To be honest, i barely use the nnxt for sampling simple stuff. I use the NN19 for that, because it's params for the zone (only one, but sometimes you need just one) are automatable. I even made somewhat of a granulizer with that. I'm gonna post some patches here soon, to show people that all this crap about reason not being professional is nonsense.

[oWLinDaylight]

As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual

So there are hidden features the programmers didn't want people to know about?

[RmoniK]

He just meant that there are possibilities using the flexible routing and cv stuff that you probably didn't think about. But learning those in a course takes away the fun for me. I've made all my special routing patches myself... drum glitcher, drum replacer, granulizer, stereo spreaders, ... It's way more fun that way.

[-[2]DAY_-]

for example, using the REGROOVE groove machine effectively. There are things you need to know before trying to apply generic grooves.

Also, Using the channels on say the redrum as well as curve BIPOLAR cv outs on the matrix to control another patch. As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual or anywhere on tube. Such as applying channels to a mixer allowing for individual sends and applying affects.. the nnxt is a must to learn inside out.

yeah i'm sorry to brag as well, but those are some of the most basic Reason skills to figure out on your own.. thats what tinkering is all about.

[Electric_Head]

As well as using the NNXt, not everything about nnxt is in the manual

So there are hidden features the programmers didn't want people to know about?

does it do more than trigger samples?