In the words of Duncan Bannatyne..... Im out.

[slanguage]

i swear down a lot of new producers do get love on here? i mean look at commodo, sleeper and district, they're relatively new and get praised all day on here, just to name 1 or 2. I saw a visionist thread on here and that got constant praise, and that's nowhere near the 'deep dark sound' you're alluding to people on here being stans of, as well as acts like old apparatus. To me it's not about bropstep, deep sounds or 'dungeon' (i can't stand that term). It's about good and bad music, and i'm sorry to say but the music you're generally pushing is just bad.


a the end of the day, plastic you're a legend and all but don't start crying because people aren't feeling the sound you're pushing, not everyone's going to like it. You're doing the right thing leaving if you believe there are only negative things being said about what you're trying to do

[slanguage]

double post

[bl0rg]

This forum has become so cynical its disgusting.

Sure the 14 year old brostep fanboys are annoying as f*ck, but the overall vibe here is one that is condescending and looking to attack people. I've been a member of numberous music forums, and ive never seem such elitism before, especially since most of it comes from bedroom producers

[dj klaim]

A lot of this boils down to acute frustration. Frustration at a scene which for the large part has moved away from the very ideals and culture that attracted so many people in the first place. I wonder how the original community would have reacted to this 'evolution' or IMO devolution if it had happened back in 2006/7. Quite probably the exact same way. I am not perfect, yes I will not always welcome with open arms every skrillex thread etc, but it is born from a frustration of what this scene has become.

There are many here in the same boat as me, people who struggle to get bookings/signed because the sound we represent is now considered as living in dinosaur times. Just ignore it?- sometimes it us very hard to. It is depressing that now whenever someone asks what I dj, the very notion of dubstep throws up connotations that leave me having to justify why I choose the original sounds over a bastardisation of what we fell in love with in the first place.

Take this weekend, you may feel it was a great time for the scene,but arguably for a lot of us it was a darkest we've ever seen. People dying from drugs, the dmas making music a competition, that poor girl off her head being caught in the front row. Youngsta and KM playing in ROOM 3 of a BASS culture night to a crowd of 10.

Surely it is understandable why so many heads on here are just for want if a better word, gutted and frustrated

[LACE]

saying brosteps the evolution of dubstep is like saying humans evolved from dinosaurs. there's just no connection..sure we both have eyes and all that but..the difference is just too great.

[LA_Boxers]

Dont hate on the new school, lets not turn this into Uptown part deus.

Its not just hating on the new school. As people have stated enough NEW artists get alot of recognition. People like Commodo, Sleeper, Thelem, District, Fable, Widowmaker etc. These are new artists making new sounds, BUT still within the framework of what dubstep is. The 'other' sound is not dubstep. People can call it whatever they desire, but just because it is around 140bpm that does not instantly make it dubstep. It is a different sound.

When you look at garage, what do you recognise as being garage?? Its the more original 2-step sound. In the same way that in 10 years time when you look at dubstep people will remember the deep, original sounds over the other sound that is currently being pushed by alot of people. It was the ''evolution & progression'' of garage that ruined it.......I can see the same thing happening here. So why should we embrace it??

EDIT:Obviosuly not all progression is bad, and not everything can always stay the same. But why embrace stuff you dislike??

[-[2]DAY_-]

if i had let a few forum reg's having a laugh at me, immediately turn me away from the website, i'd have missed out on some great times and convo's. I came here an ignorant college kid who was blown away by some bullshit brostep remix and i came out of it enthralled with dubstep music, learned tons about making tunes, Dj and sound system culture, all kinds of other bass music.. I found friends, nightlife, archives of mixes, and radio shows that i would never have known existed
It is also a really unique and amusing brand of humor around here, imho

I know i haven't been here but maybe a year, but i really enjoyed it.. that being said, i kinda feel like there isn't much to talk about anymore. I don't even like saying the word "dubstep" out loud IRL, it's always accompanied by a cringe

Anyway my only point i guess is that if a bunch of new users get turned away just because they got told, then their skin ain't thick enough anyway.

so for me it was like... Arrive circa 2010, post obnoxious and poorly made brostep remix -> anger and disbelief at lack of feedback -> Nero, Caspa et al at Webster Hall lmao -> sick of aggy tunes -> Production forum 24/7 -> apalcas -> made some tunes -> understood sub bass -> sick of boring mellow tunes -> boilerroom -> discovered grime -> discovered burial -> dub war & reconstrvct -> jokes about t shirts -> DMA's happen -> DSF implodes

[oddfellow]

I count myself lucky in a way, as I got into 'dubstep' around six years ago when the genre wasn't really defined and it seemed to just be bass heavy music around the 140 tempo (as I saw it anyway). It could be deep, aggy, 4x4... didnt really seem to matter. People just accepted it was something interesting and got on with liking it.

I think to myself sometimes, that the negativity towards the more "bro like" sounds its actually doing more harm than good in the long run. If I was a youngun, heard a funtcase / circus track which I enjoyed, went looking for more dubstep and came across this forum (which is more than likely), what kind of impression would I get from the people who post here? I wouldnt think "god they all really hate these sounds I like, I better look deeper into their tastes," I'd think "these lot are a bunch of moaning, insulting bellenders and I couldnt care less what they think/say."

If that kind of attitude had been on this forum when I first arrived I probably still wouldn't come back here. The only reason I do is through habit, promotion sometimes, and the fact that if you ignore the bullshit you can still find some unreal sounds on here.

Personally, I don't think there has even been a better time for music so I'm happy.

[AxeD]

I agree, but stay for the SNH.

SNH + 5% of the production forum

The elitism is part of the fun for me, I don't believe this forum is a reflection of what is happening
with the actual scene (although that would also be great )

[LA_Boxers]

If you went to a playstation website, and started going on about Xbox, do you reckon you'd get a positive response?

[wizeguy]

there's tons of new producers coming with some sick new music
but also lots of shit music being pushed by the people at the top.... get one wiff of some $$$$ and they're gone

[oddfellow]

If you went to a playstation website, and started going on about Xbox, do you reckon you'd get a positive response?

It's a fair point. But you don't really have people confusing consoles up with one another. I've never known anyone to look at an XBox and say "Jesus that SNES looks weird!"

Maybe there isnt really a solution. As AxeD just said "The elitism is part of the fun for me." Could be the problem with forums the world over...

[Muncey]

I like the idea of a forum being a place for open opinion and discussion on topics but over the last couple of years as the sound has gained a much broader audience, it's turned more into a place for people to jump on something and attack it like a pack of wolves.

As the sound has gained a broader audience so has the forum, a lot of newcomers just want to jump on the bandwagon and hate everything. I used to go on here regularly but it took me over a year to decide to actually join and post because, like you, i found all the arguing to be just pathetic. However i did decide to join and decided to completely ignore all the arguing, only read what interested me and only comment on things i wanted to discuss.

Sad to see you go, i can't however see things changing on here.

[LA_Boxers]

If you went to a playstation website, and started going on about Xbox, do you reckon you'd get a positive response?

It's a fair point. But you don't really have people confusing consoles up with one another. I've never known anyone to look at an XBox and say "Jesus that SNES looks weird!"

Maybe there isnt really a solution. As AxeD just said "The elitism is part of the fun for me." Could be the problem with forums the world over...

Its still a games console, in the same way this is all classed as dubstep. An xbox is just a sub section of games consoles in the same way deep and bro are sub sections of dubstep.

Im sure if we went to a UKF style site and started posting Thelem, Killawatt, Benton tracks etc we would get flamed just as much!!

[Rossco]

I agree if you don't like it don't listen to it; but on the whole people by nature are protective of something they love especially if they have seen it grown from its roots. By broadly classifying music into one genre there lies the problem. There seems a huge resistance within "dubstep" or "bass music" to splinter into sub genres as that would signal the end of the bigger picture. This wide branching "movement" is never going to work, people have a broad spectrum of taste and by nature want to protect what they consider to be their sound.

I'm all for intelligent debate and education of a new generation of bass heads, people need to learn to take the internet with a pinch of salt.

I just don't think we should moan so much as we created the elitist beast by not splintering off.

#My2Cents

[bassrael]

http://forum.ukfmusic.com/

Gotta love the comparison between the DMA thread on there and on here, no wonder so many people begin to hate this place.

DMA thread on there has 4 responses. what does that say about the comparison?



they have a thread there about burial untrue. op describes that sound as "post dubstep"

[AxeD]

If you went to a playstation website, and started going on about Xbox, do you reckon you'd get a positive response?

It's a fair point. But you don't really have people confusing consoles up with one another. I've never known anyone to look at an XBox and say "Jesus that SNES looks weird!"

Maybe there isnt really a solution. As AxeD just said "The elitism is part of the fun for me." Could be the problem with forums the world over...

Definitely but the forums don't give an accurate image of the actual scene, so just take the forum as it is and be serious about the actual music you know.

Anyway big up Plastician, always listened to his shows.

post-dubstep is actually pre-brostep so I get why people who think brostep = dubstep get confused

[Regret]

When I came to this forum, I thought Dubstep was the saw-waves, the obnoxious movie quote before a drop, pretty much everything that it isn't. Then I discovered what dubstep is really about. I discovered the dub routes, song structures, and what really makes dubstep so special - the atmosphere and it's ability to evoke powerful emotions deep inside yourself.

Although I'm a late bloomer to the real dubstep - When I go and listen to tracks from 00s, it's not like I'm looking back to an era, I'm staring it directly in the face and there's life in its eyes. It's right here now, it's getting darker and darker, as life is getting darker and darker. I love the newer vibes (Distance, Sleeper, LX One), it fits right into society as our heads are being stamped on by greedy governments and bankers.

With avoiding a anymore political stabs, I'll just say this: I've seen a lot of great discussions, and I can understand why you guys get really pissed at the obnoxiousness of 'brostep' - fuck - I once dreamt of being a world famous dubstep DJ, the new DatsiK. And I even get pissed off with that. Now, I want a small handful of people to look back on my music and go "Wow, that track by Regret is great, I remember when I first heard it." - Success and record sales aren't relative. Not now. Now ever.

[garethom]

To say people on this forum are not open to new sounds is a fucking joke. You have the dungeon sound thread getting updated daily, often with very young producers (Compa is the main one I can think of off the top of my head), the Swamp 81 thread is another that is regularly checked, with more 130 styles being pushed. There's even a thread where somebody was asking for good recent tearout that a lot of people responded too. Sure, not every comment was in support of the sound, but this is a forum, it's a place to share opinions. I've even just seen a thread about Dubstep being compared to Post Punk. There's even a fucking moombahton thread. With regards to the "arguments" that occur, it seems to me that if one person offers an opinion that isn't full of praise for bro-step, there'll be 10 people attacking them for not accepting "evolution". I think the list of threads I named entirely disproves that. Sure, the music might become different, but it doesn't mean we have to like it, as Pete said regarding DnB.

People are discussing plenty of sounds mate, and the evolution is happening in many other ways than just simply Dubstep > Brostep, you're coming across like you're pissed off not many people share your apparent love for what could be termed bro-step. Whilst I respect your older stuff (Japan is a massive favourite), the forum will carry on without you, and I'm sure people will continue to use this as a place to find out about new tunes in all styles and tempos, and chat shit about them. The forum is as alive as ever, it just depends how you use it.

[smokeybeenz]

To say people on this forum are not open to new sounds is a fucking joke. You have the dungeon sound thread getting updated daily, often with very young producers (Compa is the main one I can think of off the top of my head), the Swamp 81 thread is another that is regularly checked, with more 130 styles being pushed. There's even a thread where somebody was asking for good recent tearout that a lot of people responded too. Sure, not every comment was in support of the sound, but this is a forum, it's a place to share opinions. I've even just seen a thread about Dubstep being compared to Post Punk. There's even a fucking moombahton thread. With regards to the "arguments" that occur, it seems to me that if one person offers an opinion that isn't full of praise for bro-step, there'll be 10 people attacking them for not accepting "evolution". I think the list of threads I named entirely disproves that. Sure, the music might become different, but it doesn't mean we have to like it, as Pete said regarding DnB.

People are discussing plenty of sounds mate, and the evolution is happening in many other ways than just simply Dubstep > Brostep, you're coming across like you're pissed off not many people share your apparent love for what could be termed bro-step. Whilst I respect your older stuff (Japan is a massive favourite), the forum will carry on without you, and I'm sure people will continue to use this as a place to find out about new tunes in all styles and tempos, and chat shit about them. The forum is as alive as ever, it just depends how you use it.

This.
Compa's new stuff is immense, just listen to security, look at all the radio shows pushing this sound youngsta distance the main people, every week i look on chemical's forthcoming vinyl section and theres usally 5 or 6 releases that are new fresh and countless styles, the forum and this scene will move on even if, hopefully maybe some people will be transferred from bro steppy stuff to the pure sound and there is certainly enough new good stuff to go around.