In the words of Duncan Bannatyne..... Im out.

[joeki]

And you're calling someone a sheep? Did you happen to read over that post before posting? You basically shoot yourself in the foot with a bazooka. And my reply and sentiments are completely irrelevant to what music I like or listen to by the way.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

this threads just getting silly now.

seriously, set up a subforum for people to openly talk about that side of music.... like i said before, atleast it would give them a place (withen DSF) to talk about the music 'they' like without getting slated every other post.

and maybe, somewhere in the future, we can forget about all this BS

[55stevieboy2010]

And you're calling someone a sheep? Did you happen to read over that post before posting? You basically shoot yourself in the foot with a bazooka. And my reply and sentiments are completely irrelevant to what music I like or listen to by the way.

i dont follow anyone mate trust me, like ive said previous, ive thought this for a long time, the plas thread just triggered it.

funny cuz no ones got the balls to agree or to say something against the grain on here, i really dont give a fuck

[scattybeanhead]

Its all down to numbers, less people that were more of a community supporting the original dubstep. With all the shit 'sub genre's' nowadays its no wonder theres disagreement between people.

Actually, this attitude is the problem with DSF. Why should everyone support the same "original" dubstep? Can't people just support what they wanna support and create an environment where it's ok to listen to and support everything that you like?

I'm quite sure people's attitudes about brostep have only solidified other people's love for that sound, anyway. If you try to impose something on people, they'll only resist harder and they only associate the 'deep sound' with a bunch of elitist pricks. So why would they wanna be apart of that?

The problem isn't that the 'good ol' days' are gone, it's that people do everything in their power to stay in the good ol' days.

^ well said mate. tbh the most elitist people are those 'old heads' that sit in their rooms listening to dubstep allstars vol 2 praying for a time machine to go back to 05 and crying about flux pavilion being more famous than him

although i did stick on that cd yesterday there was no crying or reminiscing i swear...

[espire]

You'd almost think some people might take offence to being called pricks by someone who they've given a fair bit of dollar too in the past.

Pkay, coming with tact as ever. Nobody's lined anything with anything. There are many, many great threads out there. As Fractal said, it would be awesome if every thread was just filled with people interested and invested in the topic. Again, to say that everything devolves into a tit-for-tat argument is simply untrue. Look at the Dungeon Sound thread fairly recently for an example of what happens when somebody expresses an opinion that goes against that of the majority of the participants. Not a lot, and within a few posts, the thread is back to normal.

To me, it seems like it's become a bit of a cliche to bash DSF, yet so many of you are still here, contributing in threads, day in, day out, yet you can't see the good that there is.

I just think it's kind of comedic that specifically the General Discussion forum has become so reflex oriented with negativity that it becomes an instant reaction, even in this thread, where a pillar of our community is trying to shine a light on the fact that instead of alienating brosteppers from the dubstep scene, they're instead alienating people who founded dubstep.

Break it down to what it literally is. People feel threatened that brosteps meteoric rise to the top will cause their favorite artists to either A) Compromise their integrity or B) Become irrelevant an inable to provide them with fresh music. So people freak out and make, specifically this sub forum, a chaotic and hostile place for a certain group of folks.

Plasticians post should alert some folks, that as a consequence, you're alienating the forum from a stellar amount of djs and producers that as fans we appreciate having access to.

The same thing happened on DOA. back in 2001 or so we used to be able to have daily chats with Dylan, Pendelum folks, Concord Dawn folks, Evol Intent members, Bad Company members, Robyn, Hive, Dom, AK1200, Rob Playford, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on and on. We literally used to set up AIM chatrooms and be able to sit and chat with these folks. But we got so fucking negative towards clownsteppers, and what "real drum and bass' was that we made the entire forum toxic and instead of alienating "the idiots from dnb arena" we created our own little island where no one, including the people we admired, wanted to show their face at because it was so fucking negative.

SNH, where we debate and have conflict over issues on the daily, is still met with a certain level of respect that even at the end of the day if our opinions differ, we'd still rather hang out with SNH folk than not. That same vibe doesnt exist on this sub forum. It's a literal fuck you to those who are different. It's become campy, and divisive.

Simply put: new people leave this forum because some people occasionally act like dickheads?

not sure you read that correctly

im saying quit being pricks to new people because consequently you're running off all the worthwhile posters along with it.

aha, thanks for elaborating on that.

[AllNightDayDream]

It's gotten to the point where you're thinking of opening a whole new section because so many of you can't stand to even see it in the thread feed. Sure, you could do that, and not face the problem, or you could, you know, quit acting like pricks, take off your badge of holier-than-thou defenders of some brand and accept our brosteppin brethren with open arms as the warm, welcoming community you guys advertise yourselves to be.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

[joeki]

And you're calling someone a sheep? Did you happen to read over that post before posting? You basically shoot yourself in the foot with a bazooka. And my reply and sentiments are completely irrelevant to what music I like or listen to by the way.

i dont follow anyone mate trust me

I'm sure those ninety percent of your mates agree.

[bright maroon]

where is this plastician thread...

[55stevieboy2010]

look mate whatever, but fuck what i say, im just a fan of the genre having a rant, but its coming to something when someone like plastician has had enough. Im not even being funny but I hope you arnt that short sighted as too see theres a problem. The people are the reason im embarrassed to say im a dubstep fan these days

[55stevieboy2010]

where is this plastician thread...

its entitled 'in the words of duncan bannertine, im out' or however u spell the geezers name

[sigbowls]

big up to the dubstep bros and dros

[Johnlenham]

I wouldn't have learnt/found out about half the shit i do know now without this forum.

massive verts to all.

Same for me, spent a few months lurking then signed up recently, massive influence on what I listen too.

[FuDuzn]

I wouldn't have learnt/found out about half the shit i do know now without this forum.

massive verts to all.

Same for me, spent a few months lurking then signed up recently, massive influence on what I listen too.

Ditto, and I came in listening to almost exclusively brostep(and here I am in my car bumping Loefah, I have come so far). I don't think anyone was an ass to me at all, and if they were I just laughed it off. If people spent a little bit of time reading through the forum before making their first post, then I think a lot of issues could be avoided.

[wizeguy]

I wouldn't have learnt/found out about half the shit i do know now without this forum.

massive verts to all.

Same for me, spent a few months lurking then signed up recently, massive influence on what I listen too.

Ditto, and I came in listening to almost exclusively brostep(and here I am in my car bumping Loefah, I have come so far). I don't think anyone was an ass to me at all, and if they were I just laughed it off. If people spent a little bit of time reading through the forum before making their first post, then I think a lot of issues could be avoided.

reading, are you joking... most of these kids don't have time to read

[Clean]

this threads just getting silly now.

seriously, set up a subforum for people to openly talk about that side of music.... like i said before, atleast it would give them a place (withen DSF) to talk about the music 'they' like without getting slated every other post.

and maybe, somewhere in the future, we can forget about all this BS

Good idea, except what would you call that forum? Half the kids that come to this site think they know everything about dubstep already.


Maybe "Skrillex forum"

[wobbles]

Not only did this forum teach me about dubstep, I learned about grime, UKG, quality tear out, and I'm obsessed with this 130 business. It all started from that new to dubstep thread. This forum has not only taught me about dubstep, but all music as a whole.

[wizeguy]

this threads just getting silly now.

seriously, set up a subforum for people to openly talk about that side of music.... like i said before, atleast it would give them a place (withen DSF) to talk about the music 'they' like without getting slated every other post.

and maybe, somewhere in the future, we can forget about all this BS

Good idea, except what would you call that forum? Half the kids that come to this site think they know everything about dubstep already.


Maybe "Skrillex forum"

pre puberty fourm

[fractal]

Not only did this forum teach me about dubstep, I learned about grime, UKG, quality tear out, and I'm obsessed with this 130 business. It all started from that new to dubstep thread. This forum has not only taught me about dubstep, but all music as a whole.

This forum taught me a lot as well, big up.

[south3rn]

i was just thinking about how nice the forum has been the last few months in comparison to about a year ago. i've seen a lot more open arms than plastician i guess.

i remember when i first signed up the most annoying topic was "how do i make the wobbles"