In the words of Duncan Bannatyne..... Im out.

[cultural delete]

just shut the damn place down again like u did a few years back.
its not really that important at all.

what fucked this little scene is delusions of grandeur and that whole famous for 15 mins ting
sheep step

[Naan_Bread]

the house section is split because house is a completely different genre.

Yes but no one actually posts house in the house forum.

But IMO a lot of the new techier/housier stuff could very well be considered a new genre (albeit a nameless one unless you go with UK Bass etc.)

Saying D&B and Gabber are the same genre just because they both evolved from old school hardcore is completely illogical, which is sort of what we are dealing with here.

That said I don't think a complete forum split is a great idea as it doesn't really accommodate for people still pushing the original sound.

I do however think more active posting in the house forum and possibly moving some threads (Swamp81 etc.) there isn't a bad idea.

[D3ATHSTEP]

Serious question to those who are worried about the "true dubstep" sound dying out because of brostep: How? How is it dying out? You'll still listen to it, people who like to listen to it will still listen to it, and people who like "brostep" enough will want to figure out where the sound originated from and inevitably stumble upon "true dubstep", thus making it even more popular.

I just don't understand how someone over the age of seventeen can think like that. I remember when emo kids started playing metal music (Bullet For My Valentine, etc) and I felt the same way towards that genre, but as I've grown I've realized how pointless arguing about it is, and how much that music just furthers the big picture. Kids who got into that emo-core style of music eventually discovered old In Flames and At The Gates tunes, and now the community for traditional melodic death metal is growing larger than ever.

Your beloved music genre isn't going anywhere. Relax and don't get so protective over it. Human beings are different from one another, more news at eleven.

[wilson]

Serious question to those who are worried about the "true dubstep" sound dying out because of brostep: How? How is it dying out?

I share your bemusement mate. Unless I am living in an elaborate fantasy in my own head, there are labels - successful, popular labels - such as Deep Medi, Box Clever, Tempa, Chestplate etc. CONSISTENTLY putting out dubstep that could not be further from the sounds of Skrillex and all his associated brethren and is very much influenced by the 'true sound'. Brostep became popular with people who not in a million years would give tunes like SP:MC - Oh My Gosh the time of day, it's not like if brostep wasn't there they would be avidly into the bass-heavy,stripped-back side of dubstep, they'd be into whatever else was in brostep's place.

I highly doubt the sort of dubstep I listen to would be any more popular than it is if brostep did not exist.

[brasco]

maybe specific artist threads then (eg the youngsta thread). at least then all, for example, skrillex stuff could be contained in one place, the fans can share what they want whilst anyone who is not interested avoids. multiple threads only help to cause problems.

great idea

fuck me we are just going round in circles here.

@ a Mod, could we just get some feedback on the above?? after reading will then know to give this thread a wide berth as it is literally just becoming tit for tat over substance

[leyenda]

how hard is to just not click on threads that dont interest you?....at the very least, if youre into that bro sound and you come the general discussion board, you might just find out thats theres more to dubstep than bro and vice versa. whether we like it or not, it all falls under the dubstep umbrella.

exactly

even if it were possible then a split along brostep/everything else would be very divisive. it's been discussed before and as tempting as it may be to wall off the music you like in a sub forum that you never have to see, it isn't going to do anything positive for the vibes on the forum. and that's even if you're expecting all of that kind of music to end up in that forum because it quite clearly won't. the vast majority of problems are caused by people signing up the forum and posting immediately without reading around and getting a feel for the place (so it's nice to see in previous pages that some people do take some time and do this before posting) - and then they post something stupid and get flamed, and flame back at the flamers, and leave etc - and these people will just post in the first forum that they see. as with everything on here that's going wrong atm it comes down to showing a bit of respect to the forum and the posters here; and that goes for people on all sides of the argument

maybe specific artist threads then (eg the youngsta thread). at least then all, for example, skrillex stuff could be contained in one place, the fans can share what they want whilst anyone who is not interested avoids. multiple threads only help to cause problems.

also to tidy up general dis, and even some of the other forums, there needs to be better control of threads. people post a whole load of shit/spam/events/radio etc in the main forum, which isnt the right place for it... again getting these dealt with or moved quickly will reduce trolls. alot of the SNH crew avoid General discussion NOT because of trolling, or this 'wolfpack' gang, but rather because it is usually full of waste threads

some threads will always be mainly negative, like the DMA's, Korn as 2 recent examples, but if its the general consensus what can you do

Hmm, I prefer this to a complete forum divide but there are some artist threads where you may still find flaming because they've made stuff all over the map. Obviously the big example is Skream who is loved by the roots/dungeon fans and to some extent the brosteppers. So you'll have some guy saying Lemon is the shit and another telling him that's boring as hell and Raw Dogz VIP is where it's at which could escalate into insults. The crux of the issue is attitude not the format of the website.

[D3ATHSTEP]

how hard is to just not click on threads that dont interest you?....at the very least, if youre into that bro sound and you come the general discussion board, you might just find out thats theres more to dubstep than bro and vice versa. whether we like it or not, it all falls under the dubstep umbrella.

exactly

even if it were possible then a split along brostep/everything else would be very divisive. it's been discussed before and as tempting as it may be to wall off the music you like in a sub forum that you never have to see, it isn't going to do anything positive for the vibes on the forum. and that's even if you're expecting all of that kind of music to end up in that forum because it quite clearly won't. the vast majority of problems are caused by people signing up the forum and posting immediately without reading around and getting a feel for the place (so it's nice to see in previous pages that some people do take some time and do this before posting) - and then they post something stupid and get flamed, and flame back at the flamers, and leave etc - and these people will just post in the first forum that they see. as with everything on here that's going wrong atm it comes down to showing a bit of respect to the forum and the posters here; and that goes for people on all sides of the argument

maybe specific artist threads then (eg the youngsta thread). at least then all, for example, skrillex stuff could be contained in one place, the fans can share what they want whilst anyone who is not interested avoids. multiple threads only help to cause problems.

also to tidy up general dis, and even some of the other forums, there needs to be better control of threads. people post a whole load of shit/spam/events/radio etc in the main forum, which isnt the right place for it... again getting these dealt with or moved quickly will reduce trolls. alot of the SNH crew avoid General discussion NOT because of trolling, or this 'wolfpack' gang, but rather because it is usually full of waste threads

some threads will always be mainly negative, like the DMA's, Korn as 2 recent examples, but if its the general consensus what can you do

Hmm, I prefer this to a complete forum divide but there are some artist threads where you may still find flaming because they've made stuff all over the map. Obviously the big example is Skream who is loved by the roots/dungeon fans and to some extent the brosteppers. So you'll have some guy saying Lemon is the shit and another telling him that's boring as hell and Raw Dogz VIP is where it's at which could escalate into insults. The crux of the issue is attitude not the format of the website.

Exactly. No matter what steps anyone takes in an effort to put a stop to trolling/whatever, it will still happen. It's just how people are; especially online where they don't have to physically approach one another. There will ALWAYS be elitists who think less of those who don't share their opinions, in ANY subject. Music, video games, computers, production, movies, etc. Someone's always looking for self-validation.

[badger]

fuck me we are just going round in circles here.

it's the dsf way

@ a Mod, could we just get some feedback on the above?? after reading will then know to give this thread a wide berth as it is literally just becoming tit for tat over substance

we'll have a talk about and let you know it but it could work. on sites like dissensus they have single threads for genres etc that just get updated. that works well with a small site with lower traffic but i'm not sure how successful it would be here. also, the great thing about multiple threads is that people can find them years after the fact and bump them which would be impossible when it's a massive rolling thread. there's positives for each way so we'll have to discuss it further

[brasco]

fuck me we are just going round in circles here.

it's the dsf way

@ a Mod, could we just get some feedback on the above?? after reading will then know to give this thread a wide berth as it is literally just becoming tit for tat over substance

we'll have a talk about and let you know it but it could work. on sites like dissensus they have single threads for genres etc that just get updated. that works well with a small site with lower traffic but i'm not sure how successful it would be here. also, the great thing about multiple threads is that people can find them years after the fact and bump them which would be impossible when it's a massive rolling thread. there's positives for each way so we'll have to discuss it further

cheers badger

i understand a skream thread or equivalent would be hard with the broad range of his sound, but even just a skrillex thread or a 'tear out' thread would allow people to have one focal point for their interest. people who were not interested would ignore, and if you wanted to troll, you would a) be in the minority rather than a group, b) be told to 'fuck off' by the majority of people there for a legitimate reason.

[leyenda]

fuck me we are just going round in circles here.

it's the dsf way

@ a Mod, could we just get some feedback on the above?? after reading will then know to give this thread a wide berth as it is literally just becoming tit for tat over substance

we'll have a talk about and let you know it but it could work. on sites like dissensus they have single threads for genres etc that just get updated. that works well with a small site with lower traffic but i'm not sure how successful it would be here. also, the great thing about multiple threads is that people can find them years after the fact and bump them which would be impossible when it's a massive rolling thread. there's positives for each way so we'll have to discuss it further

Gots to love bumping old threads and getting people talking about them again Also, to newcomers massive threads are actually quite intimidating. The Youngsta one especially I occasionally load up and read from whatever page I'm up to (somewhere in the 100s atm) but I started reading that back in July maybe. There's over 400 pages! If all threads are like this it becomes quite an investment for people to learn anything. Not saying get rid of threads like that but I don't think it's wise to have them as the be all and end all.

[LA_Boxers]

You can then search within threads if you're looking into specific things like a particular song for example.

[leyenda]

You can then search within threads if you're looking into specific things like a particular song for example.

To use the Yunx thread again, you'll occasionally stumble upon things such as someone uploading an old Rinse set which you're never gonna search for but if you see it you feel you've struck gold. And the larger a thread the less likely people are to stumble upon these sort of gems in my opinion.

[AllNightDayDream]

Like someone said earlier, the problem is the attitude, not the format. Having just one thread for all of the Brostep is impractical and is along the same lines as a separate forum, but much worse. How would you feel if the tables were turned? All of you guys could only post about the sound you liked in one thread and any mention of it elsewhere would be removed? Thats some izan shit. Part of the problem imo is that you guys think like that. Why is it so hard for you guys to handle those threads being up on the feed? The only solution is the regulars lead by example.

[badger]

Like someone said earlier, the problem is the attitude, not the format. Having just one thread for all of the Brostep is impractical and is along the same lines as a separate forum, but much worse. How would you feel if the tables were turned? All of you guys could only post about the sound you liked in one thread and any mention of it elsewhere would be removed? Thats some izan shit. Part of the problem imo is that you guys think like that. Why is it so hard for you guys to handle those threads being up on the feed? The only solution is the regulars lead by example.

i don't think that anyone is suggesting that there should only be a massive thread for brostep/skrilelx/etc and leave all other styles to go about business as usual; but lots of large threads for similar themes/DJs/producers

[brasco]

Like someone said earlier, the problem is the attitude, not the format. Having just one thread for all of the Brostep is impractical and is along the same lines as a separate forum, but much worse. How would you feel if the tables were turned? All of you guys could only post about the sound you liked in one thread and any mention of it elsewhere would be removed? Thats some izan shit. Part of the problem imo is that you guys think like that. Why is it so hard for you guys to handle those threads being up on the feed? The only solution is the regulars lead by example.

the attitude? as in constantly argumentative/opinionated? sucks doesn't it

we are just trying to share ideas on how to come up with solutions to the aforementioned problems. you are not going to change attitudes, but possibly having one larger thread about say skrillex instead of 5-6 at a time, may be a solution. or some 'izan' shit, who knows. however every time i want to find a youngsta mix/track id/event, i don't end up having a cry wank just because i need to go to the main 'youngsta' thread.

[AllNightDayDream]

That's up to the fans though, isn't it? Those threads have been made before and theyve gone down in flames. That's the problem. Put up a skillex appreciation thread and loads of people go apeshit and troll till the threads dead.

Arguing constructively is great, but the attitude that everything you guys don't like doesn't qualify as music is the problem.

[babylonburn]

the attitude? as in constantly argumentative/opinionated? sucks doesn't it

This the main reason I hardly ever post here - its all a bit tiresome trying to navigate the bear pit this place has become and the aggressive/know it all attitude that some posters seem to have - *sets phasers to hostile*

Edit: its not the existence of brostep threads that bother me, its the attitude of some of the posters on them and the fact that the sheer number of them seems to have massively grown

Signal > noise nowadays imo

Just my 2p!

[garethom]

Arguing constructively is great, but the attitude that everything you guys don't like doesn't qualify as music is the problem.

Brasco's suggestion of one skrillex thread is perfect man! It works for Youngsta, works for Zomby, etc. etc. One thread per artist is a great idea, it makes searching easier, it keeps the forum neater, and hopefully would crack down on topics like the Korn album/whatever it is being repeated 5 or 6 times. Is there a way to embed topics within a larger topic? For example, you have a Skrillex thread, then within that thread, you can sticky all the popular threads from the past about Skrillex? That'd be cool. Kind of like a Skrillex repository inside the Skrillex thread. I've wrote Skrillex too many times now

The attitude that if you make a suggestion that's actively trying to make a change, then you're discriminating against a large portion of the genre is hardly helpful.

This thread is getting pretty circular again, I think that maybe the mods just need to make a decision based on what's been said in here and similar threads and just do it. Not everybody's going to happy, but you'll never please everyone.

[leyenda]

Thinking about it now I guess bumping old threads (or more to the point, re-engaging an old discussion/point) can still be done in these super-threads because you just quote and it brings that to the end of the thread much like bumping.

[-[2]DAY_-]

it is kinda stupid to segregate the music, when it does all fall under the umbrella. and it is really simple to self-select your threads, chats, friends, etc.
i don't even think people should censor their own views, but to simply be polite when you say I don't feel it, it ain't what dubstep is about, and try to educate a little. which you do see a lot of on this forum. it actually works pretty great, i know a friend of mine who was misinformed spent some time here and now he's really into good dubstep (he also bought hifis with a SUB, so yeah. this place was a good influence)
maybe nothing's wrong, it just gets kind of blunt and crass since its the net, but i mean it's not like we're craigslist *shudder*

i guess it isn't fair for me to say " this isn't dubstep cuz all its got going on is hard quantized quarter note hi hats on a kick snare " .


but maybe if we were a little more polite on a whole, on here and IRL for that matter, more folks would hang out and learn that "dubstep" doesn't mean that godawful racket that they hate (or love and expect when they hear the word)