Yawn

[twothirdsmajority]

To be fair i'm okay with Dubstep producers doing house as long as its bass-rooted house music and not the Afrojack/Guetta bollocks.

And the fact that there's a Garage/Deep House revival right now makes it a great way for Dubstep producers to join in. Deep House and Garage House are awesome, and seeing it return makes a puppy happy.

[dj seizure]

Also, 50% of new dubstep being put out nowawadays seems to be dark halfstep, perfected by Kryptic Mnds on "One of us" back in 2009. I mean, I see a lot of people voting in the awards for J:Kenzo, Biome, DJ Madd, the Black Box crew et cetera. Granted, these people are doing excellent dubstep but aren't bringing anything new to the table at all. How one could call that progressive is beyond me.

To date, I have bought 1 Black box record. You have hit the nail on the head so hard where the scene has gone from the quality tear out just being rubbish with only Koan, Teknian, Culprate and another tiny handful of producers still creating interesting dancefloor music and the other side of producer just making what was made 08 09. It's boring and the music is forgettable. Kyrptic Minds on the other hand created the sound and the One Of Us albums was unique at the time and will never be forgotten. I genuinely believe that if Black Box continues to put out this generic sound, it won't be around for much longer. But to be honest, I think they know that, hence the Headhunter release being a little bit "un block box"

Rant complete.

[_boring]

black box is dope as fuck. sorry to say one of my fav labels. i just love the mixdowns. its a sound i like, i hear ya that its kinda samey but i can appreciate the subtlety and i think they are one of the best labels along with Box Clever. that being said, while i buy almost everything those labels put out, i dont always end up playing out that sound because its kinda slow and downtrodden, and unless im playing the perfect timeslot on a system that supports that kinda frequency then im normally drawing for something with a bit more percussive movement. hence my affinity towards the "boogie" sound being pushed by Heny G and the Dubliminal crew.

[fractal]

For me the problem isn't that one sound is boring, I love all these sounds when done right. It only gets boring when just one of these sounds is showcased for a whole set. You lose what makes each track special. Give me a grovey house tune, followed by some gangsta boogie into some deep dark dungeon, all while maintaining bass pressure, and I'm a happy boy

[LA_Boxers]

joeki hit the nail on the head

This.



Also when was the last time Burial actually did something at 140??

[JBoy]

Its all shit, bring back garage.

[fractal]

Donk is the new dubstep

[oneeyedjacks]

black box is dope as fuck. sorry to say one of my fav labels. i just love the mixdowns. its a sound i like, i hear ya that its kinda samey but i can appreciate the subtlety and i think they are one of the best labels along with Box Clever. that being said, while i buy almost everything those labels put out, i dont always end up playing out that sound because its kinda slow and downtrodden, and unless im playing the perfect timeslot on a system that supports that kinda frequency then im normally drawing for something with a bit more percussive movement. hence my affinity towards the "boogie" sound being pushed by Heny G and the Dubliminal crew.

True. And fuck these barriers anyway. Militant attitude should be about defending honest creativity, not about defending genres that sound musically militant. That's just a fuckin' fad. I come from other stuff like House /Techno /Idm and soul funk jazz and got into bass of all kinds and each tune is a tune on it's own for me, not a representation of a genre. The tune makes something to you or it doesn't, it's simple. And if you identify with a certain genre more than others than nothing wrong either, but don't fuckin start topics about it!

[wub]

Disco sucks.

[leyenda]

For me the problem isn't that one sound is boring, I love all these sounds when done right. It only gets boring when just one of these sounds is showcased for a whole set. You lose what makes each track special. Give me a grovey house tune, followed by some gangsta boogie into some deep dark dungeon, all while maintaining bass pressure, and I'm a happy boy

Though I do like sets with predominantly one sound the timeless classics are those with the variation. I think this is why I'd probably say Kode9's Babel is my favourite dubstep mix, shit goes off!

[LD+]

everyone on here is so bitchy its unbelievable. if producers/labels want to start producing different shit then please tell me what is wrong with that? maybe they were getting bored with the 'dubstep' or in instra:'s case DnB. Boddika said himself in an interview that he couldnt see instra:'s or most other Dnb going anywhere. stop bitching about new sounds coming in because producers you once liked are moving on and creating new shit.

ive not been on here long but i have a read every couple of days. the amount of bitching about new sounds and every other topic that people can make a comment on is unreal. if you dont like the music people are making. make your own

[LA_Boxers]

For me, the biggest dubstep tracks sound nothing like the deep sounds that we have today. Tunes like Anti War Dub, Midnight Request Line, 28 Basslines, Alicia, Disko Rekah etc etc are all totally unique and dont really sounds in any way the same as each other.

A good track is a good track. People should be able to express themselves in whatever way they want. Obviously a badly produced, identi-track is not going to go down in history, its the innovative, fresh, DIFFERENT tracks that people will remember.

[leyenda]

everyone on here is so bitchy its unbelievable. if producers/labels want to start producing different shit then please tell me what is wrong with that? maybe they were getting bored with the 'dubstep' or in instra:'s case DnB. Boddika said himself in an interview that he couldnt see instra:'s or most other Dnb going anywhere. stop bitching about new sounds coming in because producers you once liked are moving on and creating new shit.

ive not been on here long but i have a read every couple of days. the amount of bitching about new sounds and every other topic that people can make a comment on is unreal. if you dont like the music people are making. make your own

Yes, that's why around 50% of people disagree with OP's sentiment. Calm down, a lot of people like it too. Can't have everyone agreeing about everything that's boring. You've obviously been reading the wrong threads if all you've read is negative stuff.

[JBoy]

[computerface]

I get you mate, nothing can compare with Vex'd or Headhunter or older Kode9, Appleblim etc. There's still loads of good tunes though, look at the stuff Keysound's pushing for instance. I mostly dislike the hype around this, mainstream artists like Radiohead getting into it (even though it sounds good, I still view it as an attempt to remain relevant to new generations), people marketing dubstep, garage, house whatever as "bass music" and so on. At least there's quality grime being pushed again

Can't stand people thinking that Radiohead getting involved with bass music is just some ploy to stay relevant and market records - well no shit they want to stay relevant, but it's not like they're exploiting it for cash or anything like that. Thom Yorke regularly posts mixes and tunes on their site - Burial, Ramadanman, you name it - that he's been listening to and enjoying. If he wants to bring that music to his fans and expose them to good tunes, why shouldn't he? It's more people listening to the good stuff, it's not like he's pushing brostep or something like that.

[madd]

interesting read. i thought this will be a discussion about the new housey stuff hence my suprise finding people dissing black box in here
might aswell chuck in a couple of my thoughts on the topic

fair point about recent releases following a certain sound, but just because something is not changing drastically every month doesn't mean it will not change forever.
i thougth labels pushing a certain vibe is pretty standard(?) and believe me selling vinyl in 2011 makes you think about a tune for weeks before giving it the thumbs up for wax.. check out full cycle (which was in my opinion one of the best dnb labels) they changed up their vibe quite massively and look where that got them.
also interesting to see how in other topics people are wishing the old sounds back and in here i read it's already been done - confusing to say the least! :)

i don't think it's really fair to judge people like Biome or J:Kenzo as these guys put quite a lot of work to be where they are today and already managed to build at least some reputation which isn't as easy as you would guess. As long as I see people in the Youngsta thread asking "what is this tune? sounds like Kenzo" they must be doing something right cause nobody is saying it sounds like KM. I hope we can at least agree we are not talking about straight-out copycats here.

End of the day nobody is supposed to buy / play tunes from 1 or 2 labels only (would be boring as shit), but I think in this age of wobble-overload having a label like Black Box or Box Clever is something to be appreciated but I guess being on the label makes me sound like i'm kissing ass so I'll leave it at there.

I guess what I'm trying to say is fair play not everyone has to bum this sound 24/7 but with all the crap being hyped these days a bit of support is probably more encouraging to these artists to build it up even further and eventually break some barriers than saying things like "yeah keep at it you will be forgotten lol"

[Tragic_Gash]

A good track is a good track. People should be able to express themselves in whatever way they want. Obviously a badly produced, identi-track is not going to go down in history, its the innovative, fresh, DIFFERENT tracks that people will remember.

this

I guess what I'm trying to say is fair play not everyone has to bum this sound 24/7 but with all the crap being hyped these days a bit of support is probably more encouraging to these artists to build it up even further and eventually break some barriers than saying things like "yeah keep at it you will be forgotten lol"

[vax]

[joeki]

This is turning into a typical DSF circle thread...it annoys me so much.

WHERE THE FUCK IS ANYONE HATING ON BLACK BOX, J:KENZO, DJ MADD ???? All of a sudden words like "dissing j:kenzo" or "hating on black box" turn up. Also, Madd, you too have misinterpreted this thread completely.

There's a difference between saying something isn't progressive and hating on it or not giving credit where due. I recall calling black box an excellent label, but somewhere along the way that turned into hating.

DSF crew, you've done it again.

[Juice Terry]

For me the problem isn't that one sound is boring, I love all these sounds when done right. It only gets boring when just one of these sounds is showcased for a whole set. You lose what makes each track special. Give me a grovey house tune, followed by some gangsta boogie into some deep dark dungeon, all while maintaining bass pressure, and I'm a happy boy

This is it for me...

I'd much rather go and see Jackmaster, Oneman, Pearson Sound, Ben UFO, etc... and listen to a whole range of music. A whole night of one tempo/type of music is pretty dull IMO.

Plus, I don't see why you can be surprised that the innovators of a genre change the type of music they produce, it's the fact that they're innovators that will keep them changing things up. Without this kind of creativity dubstep would never have come about.