Low sub eq help

[FatChocolate]

I have a sub in one of my songs that at its lowest note is at 35hz. Problem is that since its real low you cant hear it as well as the other ones. I was wondering if anyone knew how to bring this up so it can be heard at the same level as the rest of the notes. Also could this be bc my speakers cant pick it up or due to the fact that it is in such a low range? ANy help would be much appreciated. Thank you and have a nice day.

[Ldizzy]

two of the many questions beneath u question, if i get it right, are

- "is the note actually and inherently lower then other notes and if yes should i raise its volume (relative to the other notes of the bassline)

- "is it lower because my playback system is rippled alpaca shit"

well... if for u "inherently lower" means "lower to the human perceptive hearing"... its actually both...

- first, read on the fletcher mundsen curve (sorry for orthograph).. but go read about it...
- then let it be known : on a system with more bass response, u will hear more bass... (usually bigger systems have more juice in the bass area of the spectrum),,, same goes for a system that eq's ferquencies in a club-friendly way... (could be an average speaker that tends to boost bass frequencies)... in either situation, yes, the playback system has something to do with the outcome : the sound itself... pretty logical but needed to be clarified first...

so, since its most... u will need to find a compromise. That means u will need to make sure ur way of mixing the bassline will suffice the lacks of ur playback system (if it lacks in bass of course, and that it something i cant anwser with the amount of info u provided)... ull need to find a compromise between that and the inherently lower response of the human ear to that array of frequencies... (id try to treat it through separate signals...)

if i were u id split my bassline in different instruments and eq it so it has an "evenness"




peep this von stroke talks about it...

[FatChocolate]

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[Paradox_2012]

I can tell you that it depends on the system you got hooked up, if you had some studio headphone you could maybe find the sound better but overall it could be the system
on the sub i use at my friends house, anything in the 35 range is low but heavy as hell in shake and it could just be because there is more shake then sound at 35hz

[FatChocolate]

Alright ill try it in different channels and see if i can eq it up. Like my headphones pick it up and it sounds fine but my speakers dont. Thier not studio speakers just stereo ones. It concerned me a bit so I thought id see what people said. Thanks a lot for the info. Have a nice day.

[mikeyp]

you pretty much answered this yourself, your speakers don't have the juice to hit something that low

[Sagal]

There aren't many speakers / subs for an average person that could hit this note effectivelly. Plus there's a reason most of the "low and deep" tracks are made in E - 41Hz. It's the lowest note above 40Hz. Usually most tracks will be high passsed at 40Hz, not to mention compression of the file.

If that note isn't your main bass note - it's not much of a problem - boost to taste - check on different systems if you can, or leave it a bit lower.

If it's your main note... Well you better do your best to make it right. xD

[syrup]

What? Who would hipass a dubstep tune at 40hz?

[mikeyp]

What? Who would hipass a dubstep tune at 40hz?

i was thinkin the same thing

[Jas0n]

That low E is a hard hitter but I doubt 40 is a commonplace high pass mark. Maybe more like 20 or 30 just for the sake of scraping out some extra headroom.

You could go an octave higher (to the guy working at 35) but this really only has anything to do with a lead-than-sub-friendly stereo you're listening through.

[ChadDub]

one of my DSF buds answered this for me, I think it was teknicyde or w/e his name is, but he told me that if it reads even levels on the meter, then it is even, you just can't hear it.

[Sagal]

bare in mind that by high passing at 40 i don't mean total silence below , mind the slope. it all depends on your track. Sometimes I'll cut at 30Hz around, sometimes lower. Cutting at 20Hz is just obvious I think. Most woofers / speakers don't even go below, and you gain some headroom still.

[RT60]

If you are using a pure sine wave the notes should be all at the same dB. It is possible that your speakers don't go down that low, unless you have very good/large speakers. It is also possible that you are sitting too close to your monitors. The wavelength of the lowest frequencies are much larger so you have to be standing back a bit to 'hear' them correctly. It could also be the dimensions of your room causing cancellation. To check if it is an acoustical phenomenon and not something that is happening in your daw, put an analyzer on the channel and check if it is peaking across the frequency the same for each note that is in your sub bassline. If it is an you can still hear it drop out at 35Hz then you know you have a room mode or some other problem.

[syrup]

bare in mind that by high passing at 40 i don't mean total silence below , mind the slope. it all depends on your track. Sometimes I'll cut at 30Hz around, sometimes lower. Cutting at 20Hz is just obvious I think. Most woofers / speakers don't even go below, and you gain some headroom still.

Yeah, i know, but listening to it on hedaphones(cause my speakers are well shitty), the sub loses quite a lot of power, i just tend to make a gentle slope with maybe -1/2 dB at 30 hz going to -7/8 maybe at 20 hz, i don't cut too much there because you can feel ther's still something going on in there, so i sacrifice a bit of headroom to get kind of "meatier" sound.

[Mr Hyde]

edit. I should have read the whole thread first!

[Jas0n]

What would be the point of setting the fulcrum of a high pass slope at 40? If we are talking about bass music, why would you cripple the deepest audible frequencies? I mean, if it's "my shitty ear buds completely crap out below 40 and I do this strictly for enjoyment on my ear buds" I suppose it makes sense.

Also, even if the slope of a high pass were to make sense there, why would you use a filter rather than EQ?

More to the point - are you (high pass at 40 guy) defending a technique or a theory? In either case I suppose it can be written off as musical taste, but theory is wildly debatable and good technique is ... probably rare.

[RT60]

I would only really cut below 30 HZ on the sub. You would be pressed to find a system that can reproduce signals lower than that. As for cutting out more than 35Hz seems a little overkill and 40Hz is way too much imo. Even cutting under 30 is just good practice...

[mikeyp]

just cut at 20 and call it a day

[RT60]

just cut at 20 and call it a day

Good call.

[blinx]

I would really not cut any bass because that makes no sense to me... especially when you are making bass-centric music genres, but thats my opinoin.

I would put a limiter on your sub bass channel to help even out inconsistencies in "volume" of different notes.

Although 30hz if low and yes your standard bar/pa rigs will not hit much under 40hz... when/if you do get to play out on a bigger rig with proper bassbins you better beleive those systems can get down to 30hz and damn near close to 20hz with enough bins in the cluster/arrays.