Special VST?

[dj2slo]

wouldnt cutting everything above .7 also mess with the sound of the snare? thats probably where the snappyness is coming from.

No, it's just random areas [mainly on the snare hits] that are spiking because of a couple of slight changes I made to the bassline, if I could show you a before picture everything was very neat and "tucked in" nothing was spiking and I could turn up the gain without anything clipping.

Here's a clip of what it sounds like at the moment. EDIT: Doesn't sound as shit as soundcloud is making it seem
Soundcloud

I'll start working on it when it's not 6am later today and try out some different suggestions/theories of my own on how to fix this problem. I'll let you guys know if I succeed

[VirtualMark]

light compressor followed by limiter set to just take the peaks off. this is pretty standard.

you could also try tape saturation if you don't want to use a compressor/limiter.

why they could be a problem is beyond me, i'd suggesting learning what all the settings do, i.e threshold, attack release etc.

[dj2slo]

light compressor followed by limiter set to just take the peaks off. this is pretty standard.

you could also try tape saturation if you don't want to use a compressor/limiter.

why they could be a problem is beyond me, i'd suggesting learning what all the settings do, i.e threshold, attack release etc.

and this is my last post on the production forum I believe


ps: thank you I would have never thought to learn what the settings do on tools that I've been using for 5 years, especially the first three times someone gave me that advice in this thread

[VirtualMark]

i'm not being sarcastic or mean... if you did know how to use them properly you wouldn't be posting a thread about spiking, then saying underneath "I hate limiting.. and I don't really care for alot of compression outside of it's place". These are the tools designed to fix your problem.

If you'd put a compressor on the offending sample, just enough to take the spike down, i doubt you'd notice it. If you're worried about changing the sound, you could try parallel compression. Then adding a limiter afterwards just to stop the peak - maybe about 1 or 2db, i doubt you'd notice it. Then if necessary, add another tiny bit of compression on the drum buss - a small amount of compression applied lots of times is less noticeable than one compressor doing all the work. And then another limiter, just to keep the whole drum bus peaks in check, again 1 or 2 db.

Anyhow, you're probably worrying too much at this stage - you haven't even got other instruments in yet so you don't know how your beat will sound when everything else is in place.

You could try softclipping, but that'd proably change the sound too. Or saturation. If you've been doing this 5 years, then this should be relatively easy to fix?

[Eat Bass]

if one thing is going to be peaking in the track you want it to be the snare. id say your snare is just about perfect. add some light compression and thats about it. like i said you always want your snare to be the loudest so that nothing else in the mix squashes it down.

[JBE]

You say you don't want them peaking. Then you say you don't want to use the tools that were created to prevent peaking because it changes the sound. I mean you're cutting out the peak, the peak is part of the sound, so yes, no matter what you use it's going to sound different when you get rid of it. The only other option you have left is to just turn it down.

Anyway, maybe try a plugin like sculpto?


http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=35

It will still change the sound, but maybe it won't be as much of a change as a compressor/limiter.

[dj2slo]

i'm not being sarcastic or mean... if you did know how to use them properly you wouldn't be posting a thread about spiking, then saying underneath "I hate limiting.. and I don't really care for alot of compression outside of it's place". These are the tools designed to fix your problem.

If you'd put a compressor on the offending sample, just enough to take the spike down, i doubt you'd notice it. If you're worried about changing the sound, you could try parallel compression. Then adding a limiter afterwards just to stop the peak - maybe about 1 or 2db, i doubt you'd notice it. Then if necessary, add another tiny bit of compression on the drum buss - a small amount of compression applied lots of times is less noticeable than one compressor doing all the work. And then another limiter, just to keep the whole drum bus peaks in check, again 1 or 2 db.

Anyhow, you're probably worrying too much at this stage - you haven't even got other instruments in yet so you don't know how your beat will sound when everything else is in place.

You could try softclipping, but that'd proably change the sound too. Or saturation. If you've been doing this 5 years, then this should be relatively easy to fix?

My original question was is there a way around limiting and compressing, because it has [I've already tried] changed the sound when I apply it. Probably not enough for a normal person to notice or worry about, but for me it's night and day. I don't need anyone's advice on limiting or compression, I just wanted to know if there was a vst that would cut out peaks. If there isn't an answer to that question then move along and don't respond, we all know how to COMPRESS AND LIMIT. Anyways I've already stated that I'm just gonna deal with it and compress the hit, since there is no magic vst to speak of. I make minimal music this is pretty much how it's gonna sound minus some ear candy, atmosphere, and melody. All of you please get off your misinformed high horse.

[dj2slo]

You say you don't want them peaking. Then you say you don't want to use the tools that were created to prevent peaking because it changes the sound. I mean you're cutting out the peak, the peak is part of the sound, so yes, no matter what you use it's going to sound different when you get rid of it. The only other option you have left is to just turn it down.

Anyway, maybe try a plugin like sculpto?


http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=35

It will still change the sound, but maybe it won't be as much of a change as a compressor/limiter.

No the peaks started showing up after I made some slight changes to bass notes, it's not part of the original sound. Thank fucking god someone finally posted what I was asking about in the first place though. Thank you good sir, you are a diamond in a sea of poo.

[JBE]

You say you don't want them peaking. Then you say you don't want to use the tools that were created to prevent peaking because it changes the sound. I mean you're cutting out the peak, the peak is part of the sound, so yes, no matter what you use it's going to sound different when you get rid of it. The only other option you have left is to just turn it down.

Anyway, maybe try a plugin like sculpto?


http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=35

It will still change the sound, but maybe it won't be as much of a change as a compressor/limiter.

No the peaks started showing up after I made some slight changes to bass notes, it's not part of the original sound. Thank fucking god someone finally posted what I was asking about in the first place though. Thank you good sir, you are a diamond in a sea of poo.

That actual plugin isn't free, which sucks, I did however shell out the cash for it and it's quite nice. It's not terribly expensive though, which is nice. However, I do believe the demo might work enough to let you do what you need to do.

On a side note, since it's something that happened after you added the bass, have you considered just sidechaining the bass with the snare? Just a slight sidechain might be just enough to stop the peaks from happening. Or if it doesn't hurt the bass to much maybe find the frequency that interferes with the snare and just valley it a bit. I mean if you don't want the snare to change, you can always change the bass.

[dj2slo]

You say you don't want them peaking. Then you say you don't want to use the tools that were created to prevent peaking because it changes the sound. I mean you're cutting out the peak, the peak is part of the sound, so yes, no matter what you use it's going to sound different when you get rid of it. The only other option you have left is to just turn it down.

Anyway, maybe try a plugin like sculpto?


http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=35

It will still change the sound, but maybe it won't be as much of a change as a compressor/limiter.

No the peaks started showing up after I made some slight changes to bass notes, it's not part of the original sound. Thank fucking god someone finally posted what I was asking about in the first place though. Thank you good sir, you are a diamond in a sea of poo.

That actual plugin isn't free, which sucks, I did however shell out the cash for it and it's quite nice. It's not terribly expensive though, which is nice. However, I do believe the demo might work enough to let you do what you need to do.

On a side note, since it's something that happened after you added the bass, have you considered just sidechaining the bass with the snare? Just a slight sidechain might be just enough to stop the peaks from happening. Or if it doesn't hurt the bass to much maybe find the frequency that interferes with the snare and just valley it a bit. I mean if you don't want the snare to change, you can always change the bass.

Yeah that was an idea that I worked out after making this thread that I should just automate the volume on the bass track to start to duck a little before it gets to the snare since it's rolling from the start of the measure each bar to a little past the snare. That vst looks like something a perfectionist like me should have had a long time ago though, I can see it getting used alot so I'm probably gonna purchase it.

[VirtualMark]

you are a diamond in a sea of poo

Well aren't you a friendly chap!

Sculpto just lets you draw in volume curves. Nothing that couldn't be achieved with fades, volume automation and compression. I don't care about your stinking snare anyhow, good luck.

since there is no magic vst to speak of.

5 years of production to realise that?

[dj2slo]

you are a diamond in a sea of poo

Well aren't you a friendly chap!

Sculpto just lets you draw in volume curves. Nothing that couldn't be achieved with fades, volume automation and compression. I don't care about your stinking snare anyhow, good luck.

since there is no magic vst to speak of.

5 years of production to realise that?

Aww, someone butthurt cause they look dumb? If you would learn to read the whole thread you're posting in you'd know I've been on break since early 2010 [to have a son, you know adult stuff...], just started making tunes again [It's just a hobby], and hey just found what I was looking for thanks to someone who knows what they're talking about that doesn't just talk out of their ass when they skim through a topic they think they have a clue about.

"Oh my generic advice doesn't help you? Then you are just wrong & stupid because I am all knowing"

Lets see some of your expertly produced work then maybe I'll listen to anything your condescending ass has to say, I think we both know that shit isn't gonna happen though so hey STFU.

[VirtualMark]

Aww, someone butthurt cause they look dumb?

no, i just find you rude and annoying. if you knew how to use the multitude of tools at your disposal, you wouldn't be posting dumb questions on 'how to remove a peak', or looking for a 'magic vst'. but i'm glad you have found your 'magic vst', i'm sure it will correct all of your mix problems in the future.

[dj2slo]

Aww, someone butthurt cause they look dumb?

no, i just find you rude and annoying. if you knew how to use the multitude of tools at your disposal, you wouldn't be posting dumb questions on 'how to remove a peak', or looking for a 'magic vst'. but i'm glad you have found your 'magic vst', i'm sure it will correct all of your mix problems in the future.

The fact that you keep responding only proves how butthurt and oblivious you truly are. Your baseless self entitlement is a perfect example of why people stop coming here. I wish I had half as much skill pulling off arrogance and stupidity at the same time. Show me what it's all about though, lets see some of those badman mixdowns in those tunes of yours homes, and yes my snare is hitting just fine now

[JBE]

you are a diamond in a sea of poo

Well aren't you a friendly chap!

Sculpto just lets you draw in volume curves. Nothing that couldn't be achieved with fades, volume automation and compression. I don't care about your stinking snare anyhow, good luck.

It's true that sculpto pretty much just allows you to create envelopes on the fly over a waveform. Sure, the plugin doesn't really look all that amazing, and I'm sure most people look at it and think the same thing. But, you could load up all your compressors, limiters and create all your volume automations, or you could pop this thing down on the channel and just make a few clicks using a visual waveform and DB meter built in so you know exactly what your envelopes are doing, where they're doing it and at what volumes. It's actually pretty awesome once you get into using it. So much so that now a days I have a hard time not using it.

I would say out of all the money I've spent for different pieces of software, Sculpto is probably my best purchase. By far it gets more use than probably every other piece of software I own, and I don't even do all that much with it. I really use it more as a limiter than anything probably. But it's also great as a transient shaper if you're someone who does a lot of that.

[dj2slo]

you are a diamond in a sea of poo

Well aren't you a friendly chap!

Sculpto just lets you draw in volume curves. Nothing that couldn't be achieved with fades, volume automation and compression. I don't care about your stinking snare anyhow, good luck.

It's true that sculpto pretty much just allows you to create envelopes on the fly over a waveform. Sure, the plugin doesn't really look all that amazing, and I'm sure most people look at it and think the same thing. But, you could load up all your compressors, limiters and create all your volume automations, or you could pop this thing down on the channel and just make a few clicks using a visual waveform and DB meter built in so you know exactly what your envelopes are doing, where they're doing it and at what volumes. It's actually pretty awesome once you get into using it. So much so that now a days I have a hard time not using it.

I would say out of all the money I've spent for different pieces of software, Sculpto is probably my best purchase. By far it gets more use than probably every other piece of software I own, and I don't even do all that much with it. I really use it more as a limiter than anything probably. But it's also great as a transient shaper if you're someone who does a lot of that.

Yeah man definitely a great suggestion, I think it's one of my favorite tools now, tbh.

[VirtualMark]

It's true that sculpto pretty much just allows you to create envelopes on the fly over a waveform. Sure, the plugin doesn't really look all that amazing, and I'm sure most people look at it and think the same thing. But, you could load up all your compressors, limiters and create all your volume automations, or you could pop this thing down on the channel and just make a few clicks using a visual waveform and DB meter built in so you know exactly what your envelopes are doing, where they're doing it and at what volumes. It's actually pretty awesome once you get into using it. So much so that now a days I have a hard time not using it.

I would say out of all the money I've spent for different pieces of software, Sculpto is probably my best purchase. By far it gets more use than probably every other piece of software I own, and I don't even do all that much with it. I really use it more as a limiter than anything probably. But it's also great as a transient shaper if you're someone who does a lot of that.

yeah fair play. i'm just used to drawing in fades and envelopes in cubase, its pretty easy to do tbh. i tried sculpto a while back but decided i didn't really need it, i suppose it just comes down to workflow.

[VirtualMark]

Your baseless self entitlement is a perfect example of why people stop coming here.

Does that mean you're not coming back?

[dj2slo]

Your baseless self entitlement is a perfect example of why people stop coming here.

Does that mean you're not coming back?

Naw I can outlast... Guys like you eventually stop trying to "fake it til you make it" and move on to blowing guys behind truck stops... Where the tunes at? SO much talk, yet no walk?

[Volatile Psycle]

try using on spectral analyser (see below) on the bass, then the drums and then on the whole mix. So you can see not only the peak but the frequencies which are causing it and nail down what sound/instrument is causing it.

If it only on the bass since you altered it, get a dynamic eq on the case so that when the offending frequency goes over the threshold it gets ducked out.

Hopefully that should sort it